Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release) (Spoilers)

[Riceball]

Nice illustration

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Finn-e1447069629918.jpg

J

Judging by that picture, the Falcon's guns are still oriented straight up and down in relation to the Falcon itself when manned, just like in the OT. That is, unless the access tunnel runs parallel to the Falcon's before going perpendicular.

 

[Jaitea]

Judging by that picture, the Falcon's guns are still oriented straight up and down in relation to the Falcon itself when manned, just like in the OT. That is, unless the access tunnel runs parallel to the Falcon's before going perpendicular.

I'm in two minds,...in hoping we see how the whole ladder & turret thing works,...or just leaving is as vague as ANH did....... & we come up with our own logic

J

 

[DINVADER]

I love how they still wear their headset/communicators on the falcon with cords leading from them exactly the same as they were in the original films.

 

[Nataku]

Nice illustration

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Finn-e1447069629918.jpg

J

Thinking back on Luke and Han climbing up and down that ladder, I still have no idea on how gravity works on the Falcon. Or how the guns work for that matter. Is their best line of sight just straight above and below the Falcon?

 

[Riceball]

I'm of two minds,...in hoping we see how the whole ladder & turret thing works,...or just leaving is as vague as ANH did....... & we come up with our own logic

J

Logically speaking, based on the placement of the turret windows, the gunner in the top turret is essentially lying on his back while the belly gunner is basicailly facing the bottom of the Falcon, and their guns are pointing perpendicular to the Falcon. There is no other way for it to work that I can see, not unless you disregard the shooting model of the Falcon along with blueprints and diagrams that show the turret windows lying flat along the dorsal and ventral sides of the Falcon and the guns stowed lying across the windows.

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Thinking back on Luke and Han climbing up and down that ladder, I still have no idea on how gravity works on the Falcon. Or how the guns work for that matter. Is their best line of sight just straight above and below the Falcon?

I think so, while it makes no sense why you would want it that way it's the only way that makes sense when you take both the model and the orientation of the ladder well between the two gunner stations into consideration.

 

[Jaitea]

Heres a link to a fantastic drawing I did,....(don't laugh) over on the Gen Model section

#68

Basically if you climb up or down the ladders the chair should be on the ceiling.....or if you look at the illustration of Finn,...the ladders should be on the top of the tunnel above his head i.e. 180 degrees from where they are

J

 

[wuchi01]

It's possible, for sure. The Kylo relation is one I have more confidence in then Rey. She is still a wild card. I will say that Kylo being their son but going down a darker path of idolize get his Grandfather and then killing his father carries a lot more gravitas from a story perspective. Rey being just an abandoned child left alone somewhat mirrors Luke's journey and I think she is the Luke of this film.

Regarding the Maz dialogue, she says, "I have lived long enough to see the same eyes in different people. I see your eyes. I know your eyes." The implication is she is sees something in Rey's eyes she has seen over many years in the eyes of others. I think this sort of confirms she's a Force mystic of sorts and she is the one who leads them on a Force vision. I don't take it to mean "I know your folks and you look just like them!"

Watch Rey be the daughter of Phasma ("Look Ma, found your deserter. And we're together!").
You know, the same English accent thing going (making fun of those grasping at the slightest connection).
That would be a mind F* for the fanboys.

 

[1stage]

Really LOVE the shot of the Falcon bursting through the trees at the end of the first official television spot. I gasped the first time I saw it.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

So I posted this theory in the TFA G R A F L E X thread, & thought I'd bring it over here to see if it holds water, since I can't really discuss spoilers over there.

A bunch of discussion has been going on about some extra parts seen in the trailers & some promotional material. Mainly, a small antennae looking thing sticking out from the bottom of Luke's old saber. Thing is, it's not in the shot of Maz handing the saber to Leia in the first trailer. I'll save you some time & summarize the discussion from my point of view- It went from :confusedto:wackoto:facepalmto:angry & back again.


I had the thought, what if the saber we see Finn with, is a decoy? We believe that Kylo wants the saber. Much is made about keeping it hidden, like inside BB-8, & it's importance to finding Luke, which some believe Kylo is trying to do, too. If Maz is some sort of Jedi-Mystic, maybe she would have the means to make a faux-saber to distract Kylo from the one carrying the genuine article. Then Finn would be the one to volunteer, maybe to 'make up' for his service to the First Order.

In some of the promotional material, & in the Celebration costume display, that he's seen carrying it openly, in the front of his jacket, for anyone to see. I'm also thinking that may be why there hasn't been any Luke sabers included with the first action figures that have come out. I mean if it's the Maguffin of your movie, you'd probably want it with at least one of your hero figures, but so far, it's a no-show.

Anybody heard any thing to confirm or contradict?

 

[CutThumb]

You'd think the closer we get to the release the clearer the story would be but........ wrong!!!!
That last TV spot was a masterful stroke. The eyes have it? So we've gone from Rey is totally a Clan member and not a Skywalker to "damn straight shes a Skywalker!". JJ knows exactly what he's doing with these clips, so its no coincidence we get the possiblity of two such difffering options.
I find I cannot really choose. I hope she is a Skywalker, but NOT a twin. There just doesn't seem to be much of a resemblance between her and Kylo in age or appearance.I'd believe she is a half sister if Leia remarried after she split from Han, or that Rey alone is Hans/Leias daughter and Kylo has nothing to do with the Skywalkers. He's just a Vader obsessive.
His crude version of a lightsaber though revolutionary ,and his obsession to get Lukes first true sabre really says just one thing to me .That all the knowledge about the Jedi has all but disappeared (along with Luke from just about everything it seems!!!). None of the other Knights of Ren has a sabre (and if they were killing Jedi at the Academy you'd think thats a must). The only thing thats throwing me is Snoke. We just haven't a clue about him or Maz really in relation to the Force other than they can use certain elements of it.
But given in the original knowledge of the Jedi seemed limited to just four people to start with (Ben, Yoda, Vader and the Emporer) then just Luke is that really surprising? This may be supported by Han talking in reply to Daisys "Legends" statement . Is this why Kylo is so desparate to get hold of Lukes?
The truth is JJ and cast have done a brilliant bit of work muddying the water and holding back the real secrets. With just a few changes in dialogue the whole story could change anyway.
With that in mind guys I've got to say its been a real pleasure. I've learned enough now to absolutely convince me that this will be almost everything and more than I wanted it to be and its been great sharing in those speculations and debates with everyone here.
But I want this film to be capable of one thing more.
I want it to surprise to me.
So I'm going dark as of today.There is just too much now out there that could truely spoil the film for me and I don't want that. I want to sit in the cinema and just be wowwed like I was all those decades ago. As a film it means that much to me.
So like Luke I'm going into hiding.
May the Force be with you all.

 

[Bryancd]

So I posted this theory in the TFA G R A F L E X thread, & thought I'd bring it over here to see if it holds water, since I can't really discuss spoilers over there.

A bunch of discussion has been going on about some extra parts seen in the trailers & some promotional material. Mainly, a small antennae looking thing sticking out from the bottom of Luke's old saber. Thing is, it's not in the shot of Maz handing the saber to Leia in the first trailer. I'll save you some time & summarize the discussion from my point of view- It went from :confusedto:wackoto:facepalmto:angry & back again.


I had the thought, what if the saber we see Finn with, is a decoy? We believe that Kylo wants the saber. Much is made about keeping it hidden, like inside BB-8, & it's importance to finding Luke, which some believe Kylo is trying to do, too. If Maz is some sort of Jedi-Mystic, maybe she would have the means to make a faux-saber to distract Kylo from the one carrying the genuine article. Then Finn would be the one to volunteer, maybe to 'make up' for his service to the First Order.

In some of the promotional material, & in the Celebration costume display, that he's seen carrying it openly, in the front of his jacket, for anyone to see. I'm also thinking that may be why there hasn't been any Luke sabers included with the first action figures that have come out. I mean if it's the Maguffin of your movie, you'd probably want it with at least one of your hero figures, but so far, it's a no-show.

Anybody heard any thing to confirm or contradict?

Nothing at all to confirm that and I find it unlikely. This isn't Saber Oceans 11.

 

[JoMamma_Smurf]

So I posted this theory in the TFA G R A F L E X thread, & thought I'd bring it over here to see if it holds water, since I can't really discuss spoilers over there.

A bunch of discussion has been going on about some extra parts seen in the trailers & some promotional material. Mainly, a small antennae looking thing sticking out from the bottom of Luke's old saber. Thing is, it's not in the shot of Maz handing the saber to Leia in the first trailer. I'll save you some time & summarize the discussion from my point of view- It went from :confusedto:wackoto:facepalmto:angry & back again.

All you see there is the D-ring dangling down. It flops around freely in every version of this saber, and the D-ring on this version (ESB) is bigger than the one in ANH.

 

[jhazard]

All you see there is the D-ring dangling down. It flops around freely in every version of this saber, and the D-ring on this version (ESB) is bigger than the one in ANH.

Except that the in the still image of Finn, the alleged d-ring is hanging from a centered point. If it's the d-ring, it should be off-centered.

I wonder if they'll digitally remove that in the final edit. I doubt the previews were created from a final cut of the movie.

 

[Bryancd]

Except that the in the still image of Finn, the alleged d-ring is hanging from a centered point. If it's the d-ring, it should be off-centered.

I wonder if they'll digitally remove that in the final edit. I doubt the previews were created from a final cut of the movie.

i doubt JJ and his editorial staff even notice any of this.

 

[NeoRutty]

hmmm I dunno about that. They'll notice. I'm a feature editor... we notice EVERYTHING.

Now... the question is, do they CARE? Cuz I could see this VERY conversation happening, as it happens every day here.

"Hey so you can see the switch at the bottom... should we send it back to comp and have it removed?"

"No one is going to be looking for that but the die-hards... put it on the CBB list (Could be better)"

And the CBB list is looked at AFTER everything is "done" and if there's time or money in the budget to fix it...

 

[JoMamma_Smurf]

Except that the in the still image of Finn, the alleged d-ring is hanging from a centered point. If it's the d-ring, it should be off-centered.

I wonder if they'll digitally remove that in the final edit. I doubt the previews were created from a final cut of the movie.

Post the image.

 

[jhazard]

 

[Bryancd]

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That might not be the D-Ring.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

That might not be the D-Ring.

It's not.:facepalm

That was what my thinking was about a second saber.

In the hero shot of the saber, when Maz is handing what we can assume is the genuine saber to Leia, Thatthing is NOT there. The ONLY place it's been seen, is when it's in Finn's hands. It's too big to be an accident. that's why I think it's an obvious visual clue to the general audience that it's the other saber.

 

[jhazard]

That might not be the D-Ring.

I don't think it is.

It was discussed in another thread, some suggested it was an antenna (for various suggested purposes). I'm inclined to agree. Doubt it's a d-ring at all. I bet it will be removed, we'll see...