Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I was thinking that Chewie blames Leia for Han's death.
It wasn't explicit but the reason Han went to confront Ben against his better judgment was only because Leia pleaded with him to bring their son home.
 
I kept wondering about the speed that Rey suddenly picks up her Jedi skills. Having watched ANH the day after its interesting to note how suddenly after Obi wans death Luke also becomes powerful. Afterall he pilots his unfamilar Xwing with amazing skill (though he already has experience in his hopper) but its the final shot that is "tutored" by Bens dead spirit. And later of course Ben and Yoda tell Luke in TESB if he confronts Vader he does so by himself and they cannot influence the outcome.And its never REALLY ever explained what new force skill Obi has learned in the lightside except that they can guide living Jedi
Which brings me to my point that the sudden spasm of visions that so terrify Rey once she touches Lukes sabre are like taking the cap off a well of pent up energy. As Maz says "The Force" is calling to her .It "Awakens". The fact it traumatises her and she flees in fright shows just how potently its sprung to life within her.
And its aidded by a very specific different quantity this time. A living Jed, Luke, whose possibly her living relative. Remember Vader tempting Luke by saying together we could be more powerful than the Emperor could imagine? So I'm guessing that a huge proportion of her sudden skills that suddenly come to her when she "reaches" for the Force in crisis moments are aidded by Luke and even perhaps the force ghosts of Obi and Yoda, seeing as you hear them in the visions.
It needed to be better explained and illustrated in the film, and I guess the interrogation scene does do a reasonable job of hinting at it. But its unfortunate, given the break neck speed at which the film belts along we just didn't get long enough for that to sink in, unlike the three films in the OT.

PS Yeah the officers were young but between the destruction of the Empires command structure and the birth of the New Order, they would need to be the next generation anyway. Which is why when people complain about the "old mentor" similarities to ANH its getting slightly annoying because, guess what the cast of the OT are actually nearly four decades older. There are many avoidable problems with the writing of TFA at times but this isn't one they could ever get passed. Which is why Han also has to die, trying heroically to correct a terrible regret in his life. He is trying to save his son or loose him anyway in the explosion the charges would create.

PPS Its Hosnian Prime that gets toasted this time though it was a mistake to make it look so much like Corusant . I made the same error.
 
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Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I mentioned it in the other thread, but since were talking about it here:

yes it's really weird that she just ignores Chewie to hug Rey..

but even weirder when you realize that this is actually the first time Leia and Rey even meet. Rey was already captured when Leia first appears. As far as Leia knows Rey is just the friend Finn mentioned wanting to rescue.

There is a pattern of Wookiee abuse from the OT; where she referred to him as this walking carpet and shorted him on his medal.

She also might have a bone to pick with Chewie for running away with Han.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Chewie had a job to do, that's why he didn't just suicide and kill everyone in sight. He blew the charges and he secured the Falcon so they could actually get off the planet.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA - How much they got paid **SPOILERS**

I'm really curious what Mark got paid for his one day of filming while still getting second billing. Even Carrie would have had to be on set for at least a week.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA - How much they got paid **SPOILERS**

Wow... Ford got PAID.

Dang! Well.... What are they gonna do, refuse to pay what he wants being the only man on Earth who is Han Solo?
 
EDIT: My apologies, Bryancd already linked to this article back a couple pages.

I didn't see this posted in this thread. I apologize if it has been.

JJ talks about the familiar voices in Rey's vision sequence:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-reveals-obi-wan-and-yoda-are-star-wars-force-awakens

Apparently it wasn't only the voices of Ewan and Sir Alec, because James Arnold Taylor confirmed via Twitter that he *also* contributed his version of the Kenobi voice. So the lines are actually a blend of 3 different actors but they're all the voice(s) of Obi-Wan! How cool is that?

EDIT: Ok, my bad, JAT was recorded but once Ewan came in to record, they used *his* voice apparently. So JAT's doesn't seem to have been used after all.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

There is a pattern of Wookiee abuse from the OT; where she referred to him as this walking carpet and shorted him on his medal.

She also might have a bone to pick with Chewie for running away with Han.
I would imagine they bonded a lot while spending all that time together between the end of Empire until Jedi.

Actually, a lot of this movie just made the connections made in the OT pointless. Especially RotJ.
 
Blah blah.. don't read if you don't want spoilers (but then we are you in this thread anyway?)

Here is the debate we have been having; when Han comes to Ren on the bridge, did Han change Ren's mind or not? Everyone who saw it with me says that nothing Han said had any effect, but that Han was essentially talking to a wall. I felt like Ren actually changed his mind and truly was handing his saber over and then at the last minute, for whatever reason, the dark side seized him and he finalized his decision which removed the last of the light from him.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA - How much they got paid **SPOILERS**

NOW I see how this cost $200 million. Killing him off was a wise move. But then I guess Mark is going to earn an awful lot next time, but hell, I feel he deserves it.
 
I think it could go both ways but my take on it was that he was being torn apart inside and needed to kill Han to reach a somewhat peace inside because of the conflict.Maybe he knew his dad was his one weakness he needed to rid so he has no vulnerability. Han said he would do anything to help and that's when Kylo took that as his ok to kill him. Maybe he needed that ok from his father to justify it inside himself in sone strange way. I think Kylo didn't want to do it but needed to and that's what was tearing him apart. I believe it was also his test to complete his training the same as Luke facing Vader. You hear Snoke at the end saying "bring me Kylo, he's ready to complete his training."I've only seen it once and really need to see it again to make a full judgement though.


Ben
 
The moment you decide to commit an act of violence it has very real consequences. And its a terribly difficult moral barrier to break for most , particularly against a member of your own family. My take on it was similar to Arts and gizmo. I felt that that he was being terribly conflicted, particularly by guilt, and struggling with it. I thought for a moment he was asking Han to help him kill himself.After all we really DON'T know what atrocities he has committed against the Jedi or his immediate family, its not said in the film and we barely glimpse anything at all in that vision. If he has killed Lukes wife on top of everything else, how can he truly comeback to his family? We already know that Anakin did exactly the same thing and became Vader.
I wonder if Kylo lacked specific Jedi skills as Ben that made him weaker than the other students and with all the expectations of his ancestry that was too much to bear, so he could only gain greater powers once he turned to the dark side under Snokes guidance. I still find it strange that NONE of the other Knights of Ren had lightsabres and if there were Jedi there how could they be so easily beaten? Something very odd had to have happened at this point to tip the balance of power towards Ren and co.
Snokes influence is part of that, and perhaps the brain washing that is part of the First Orders Stormtroopers indoctrination wasn't also responsible for Bens conversion to Kylo. The First Order does seem to have sprung up totally around Snokes malevolent influence,and look at how much direct control he had over both Kylo and Hux.
I felt the one thing Kylo was trying to do was fight against the dilemma of his actions had brought to him and that it could have gone either way. Thats why I felt Adam Driver brought so much more to his character than say a certain actor did his, in that you could really see the conflict with in him this time,
If he is a darkside psychopath , then, rather than living with the guilt as Ben, killing Han seems to enable him to remove all that agony of self doubt, at least for that moment and he isolates himself from all the harm he has done to those he once called family,and allies himself totally with Snoke and becomes another person Kylo Ren. Once he has taken that dreadful step into the moral abyss by killing his father then he has truly damaged so much of what was once Ben, surrendering to the path of the darkside and stepping away from the light ,which ,given that he appears to blame it for Vaders eventual downfall and weakness he appears to be strangely frightened of.

PS I need to see this again once everyone has gone back to school. I don't operate well in very crowded and noisy conditions.

PPS In the opening crawl the First Order only arises AFTER Luke has gone , which suggests even more strongly to me that Snoke specifically was in hiding and had to use Ben to remove Luke. Given Kylos fear of the lightside the mind control powers that Kylo has are probably very limited by the lightside, which is why Luke HAD to be gone before Snoke could build his new Empire built primarily on mind control and conditioning. Certainly Poe suffered but Rey threw off and resisted its effects quickly. But I am just guessing.
 
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Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I mentioned it in the other thread, but since were talking about it here:

yes it's really weird that she just ignores Chewie to hug Rey..

but even weirder when you realize that this is actually the first time Leia and Rey even meet. Rey was already captured when Leia first appears. As far as Leia knows Rey is just the friend Finn mentioned wanting to rescue.

So when Rey leaves was there no time that had passed,....was there no time for grief,....for Leia & Rey to meet,....for Leia to say her goodbye to Chewie,....the part we see is Leia & Rey parting,....

,.....dunno I'm gonna see it again

J
 
Re: Easter Eggs, Mirroring of the OT in The Force Awakens (SPOILERS INSIDE)

Everyone seems to also have forgotten, or blocked the memory of:
* Harrison Ford running in a tunnel, chased by a huge ball (monster).
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Hey watch this guy:


Theres a lot of sense in what he says,......see the bigger picture

J
 
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A couple things:

Perhaps rey HAS Been trained as a child, but has undergone a memory wipe to protect her. That's why the skills come back so well.

I just realized that the map was not a map to luke, but a map to the first jedi temple where he went.

Didn't they mention that is where he went?

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I think it could go both ways but my take on it was that he was being torn apart inside and needed to kill Han to reach a somewhat peace inside because of the conflict.Maybe he knew his dad was his one weakness he needed to rid so he has no vulnerability. Han said he would do anything to help and that's when Kylo took that as his ok to kill him. Maybe he needed that ok from his father to justify it inside himself in sone strange way. I think Kylo didn't want to do it but needed to and that's what was tearing him apart. I believe it was also his test to complete his training the same as Luke facing Vader. You hear Snoke at the end saying "bring me Kylo, he's ready to complete his training."I've only seen it once and really need to see it again to make a full judgement though.


Ben

Yeah I read the scene Kylo was never intending to give in to the light. His emotion was realization that to embrace the dark, he would have to kill Han.
 
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