Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

Re: "I loved or mostly loved TFA" - people only thread

When Kylo froze the blaster bolt midair was one of the coolest things I've ever seen in a SW movie.
Getting to see the Falcon on screen that much.
The 70's targeting screen on the MF cannons hadn't been updated or changed.
The TIE Fighters looked amazing.
Kylo Ren was very compelling. I didn't think I'd be interested in his character but he seemed the standout to me.
Daisy Ridley and John Boyega were also intensely charismatic.
Chewie was awesome and didn't seem very second banana in this.
The architectural references to the OT were great.
That weird food/bread being made on Jakku.
The Graflex on screen up close.
 
I'm just saying, if I'm in charge of the resistance and R2D2 is in my care and he goes into low power mode, I'm not just tossing a dirty tarp over him in the corner. He's a war hero. You respect that hero. You keep him somewhere monitored for crying out loud. He's important.

It's a strange shift in how much one respects a droid. On one hand, we have R2 getting an audience with the Queen who may have been so grateful that she personally cleaned him for simply plugging in a cable. On the other, we have Leia and the entire Resistance putting a tarp over him out in the open. Dramatically it's cool to see him unveiled like that, and it would have worked if there had been a better explanation. Low power mode, never be his old self again. I just didn't understand what was going on.

Ok, now to make a positive point. Was anyone else expecting Finn's whole 'I'm with the Resistance!' schtick to turn into another one of those melodramatic clichéd 'You lied to me!' moment? You know the one I'm talking about. The character lies about who they are, the significant other finds out either through the villain or convenient info dump, they get upset at the character and now they must embark on a quest of redemption. This was one of the strongest points I had against Avatar not just because I've seen it a million times, but this one in particular made me hate the hero instead of feeling sorry for him. When Finn told Rey everything and she was actually understanding of it all, I almost cheered. We've been spared a forced dramatic moment for good character growth!
 
it is one page back like 5 posts back but fine

rey is around 6 or 8 when she is left and 8 is really pushing it now she is 18 or 20 right?

kylo is 20 to 25 right?



go back the 12 to 14 years to when she is abandoned how old is kylo at most 11 to 13 years old right

rey sees a vision of Kylo turning on the jedi at least that is what everybody seems to agree one of her force visions is supposed to be he looked the same hight had his mask soooooo

he was 6"4 when he was 11 or 13 or he is now in his late 30 to 40 or luke abandonded rey waaaaay early before any of kylo turning to the dark side and offing the other students took place .


Yeah I blew right through that. Hmmmm.. I wonder where exactly Luke was when all the students were killed. I saw it again today with the family and still wonder why we hear Obi-wan say "Rey". She has some deep connection to the Skywalker family but what. Kylo seems really pissed when he heard about a girl helping out.
 
Re: "I loved or mostly loved TFA" - people only thread

SPOILERS:

It felt real.

I believed the characters.

It moved effortlessly between different strong emotions, balancing humor, sadness, and wonder.

It made it okay to like SW again.

It made me feel like I was ten again.

It absolutely riveted my two teenage boys.

It kindled my desire to draw, make things, be creative. My kid's also.

It was much better on the second viewing.

They had a silly tentacle monster bit that felt like Red Dwarf (HIGH praise!)

Kylo Ren is one of the most interesting bad guys ever. I hope they don't F him up in the sequels.

Good lord the whole cast can act. I could just list actors.

It's beautifully shot and designed. Maybe the best LOOKING of all seven.

Luke. Dear god. I tear up just thinking about how good that last few seconds was. Perfect. I can't wrap my head around all the people who wanted the end spoiled by Luke talking. It. Was. Perfect.

Rey's hero shot when she plucks the saber from the snow past Kylo. Dear god again. I mean, wow.

I'm already looking forward to digging into all the dorky EU minutia.

Can't think of any other praise to heap on this at the moment. I'll be seeing it a third time in a few days :D
What he said.....
agree with most people here ,
my wife made the comments that her and our daughter didn't fall asleep during it (12:02 am showing on the first day) and neither of them like Star Wars .
my wife also commented that hardly anyone left the cinema for the duration of the film to go to the bathroom :D.

like everyone I need to see it again to concentrate on the flash backs and to soak up the great on screen compatibility of all the actors, and the falcon of coarse.

i expected what happened (although it was telegraphed too much beforehand) not just on screen but also Harrison's embracing of comic con and interviews .

but I'm really looking forward to is the development of kylo ren's and Ray's training and what direction that takes them.

i too found R2 waking at the end very clumsy, and the ending rushed, they could have eliminated the giant space meatballs and added some extra meat to the story. Plasma was under utilised badly.

i hope they broaden the scope and we see some more space action,

also so I wonder if snokes projected image is actually him, we know palpatine manipulated his image to the public to seem more normal ( hinted in the novels)

a lot lot to discuss , I am waiting on some friends to see it.
 
I saw a shoulder singing, Rey drove it in sort of like Finn's wound, a hand singing, back cut open, but just missed vitals, and a facial scarring.
So during the fight at the end, how exactly is Kylo injured? The editing makes this a bit hard to follow. There's a quick shot of Rey cutting something, looked like it was just some fabric on Kylo's robes, but some say she cut off his hand? And it seemed like maybe she hit his saber and screwed it up before scaring his face? It was just really hard to tell what happened so quickly.
 
I figured he was upset because not only had the droid escaped them, but it was being aided by the 'traitor' and, by the way, the traitor had help as well....more of a bleep me, what's next moment than any connection as to whom the girl was. The more people helping, the harder to find it can be..

As for the vision, who's to say she's seeing a vision of what she saw? She likely wasn't in the Bespin hallway where the vision started. Kind of like luke's vision in ESB - he saw the future, and none of that came to pass. Should could have been shown things that had happened, doesn't mean everything she saw was stuff she witnessed in the past.

That said, we're simply assuming she was hidden because Ben turned. There simply has to be more to it than that. Luke could easily take him. He's too out of control to be a serious threat to Luke. So, why not simply confront him? Why hide himself? Why hide Rey? Has to be a much larger reason for it all.
 
I hope Kylo kills Leia in the next movie. Carrie's acting was bad. I don't think I could sit through much more of it.:wacko
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I've had the Art of SWTFA for a couple of days and there are some good designs but a ton of bad ones as well. Either they trying too hard to upgrade some existing types, of which the X wings and Ties are the best, or take others in some very odd directions. Either they need to make subtle changes to the A wings, B wings etc like the X or go in a totally new direction and drop the "Wing" reference altogether. The very lack of any decent ships was hugely disappointing because the OT is filled with brilliantly iconic designs.I don't truly know how accurate this is but ILM would have been apparently hard pushed to complete some of the projected effects work in time for release if certain effects heavy sequences had been used so these were dropped early as the production went on. That certainly would account for the lack of variation in what we saw. It also bugged me for ages as to where I thought I had seen a similar ship to Hans freighter until I thought about "Battle beyond the Stars" (Sadors craft).

They really need to fix this for the next lot, but ILM has a huge commitment to a number of VFX heavy films for 2016/2017. Just have a look.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Light_&_Magic
I wondered after first viewing did they tail back on the visual complexity of new craft and environment design so that viewers concentrated on the narrative and characters , no distractions
therefore next two should be a step up
 
Re: "I loved or mostly loved TFA" - people only thread

The movie wasn't perfect and there were several leaps of logic but overall, it hit all the tenets of what I expect in a SW movie. I really liked the new characters, especially Rey and thought the performances from just about everyone was great. It was a fun ride with a good mix of emotion. Now that the groundwork is out of the way, I look forward to seeing what Ep.8 offers.
 
Good lord this thing filled up fast. It took me all day reading to catch up. Now that I have, I've got a few responses to posts I felt needed commenting on.

1.
Can we stop saying better than the prequels? I think that is pretty much a given.
Not really...my first impression was that it was number 6 in my ranking. But I liked the prequels, so that's not a knock on the movie at all. It may go higher with repeated viewings, but that's where it is with me right now.

2.

Also, the themes that were heard in the trailers (which were pretty good) were nowhere to be found in the film. Specifically the one theme that starts with single piano notes and slowly switches to a new arrangement of Han and Leias theme.m and then a hew arangement of the Force theme
That particular piece was created specifically for the trailer using a synthesizer, not a live orchestra.

3.

What other Kenobi is there?
You don't think Obi-Wan sprang fully formed from the ground, do you?

4.

29-30 hmmm? Han didn't waste any time after Endor. Maybe Kylo and Poe were concieved on the same night? ;)
Actually, Poe was already 5 by the battle of Endor. We learn this in the Shattered Empire comic. #2, I believe.
 
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Good lord this thing filled up fast. It took me all day reading to catch up. Now that I have, I've got a few responses to posts....

Hey, don't shoot the commentator!!! As for a "Kenobi" offspring, I was postulating on an earlier comment that someone else posted.
 
Re: "I loved or mostly loved TFA" - people only thread

SPOILERS:

It felt real.

I believed the characters.

It moved effortlessly between different strong emotions, balancing humor, sadness, and wonder.

It made it okay to like SW again.

It made me feel like I was ten again.

It absolutely riveted my two teenage boys.

It kindled my desire to draw, make things, be creative. My kid's also.

It was much better on the second viewing.

They had a silly tentacle monster bit that felt like Red Dwarf (HIGH praise!)

Kylo Ren is one of the most interesting bad guys ever. I hope they don't F him up in the sequels.

Good lord the whole cast can act. I could just list actors.

It's beautifully shot and designed. Maybe the best LOOKING of all seven.

Luke. Dear god. I tear up just thinking about how good that last few seconds was. Perfect. I can't wrap my head around all the people who wanted the end spoiled by Luke talking. It. Was. Perfect.

Rey's hero shot when she plucks the saber from the snow past Kylo. Dear god again. I mean, wow.

I'm already looking forward to digging into all the dorky EU minutia.

Can't think of any other praise to heap on this at the moment. I'll be seeing it a third time in a few days :D

Best review I've read bud...including the "pros" who do it for a living.

Luke....absolutely perfectly done.

Kylo....super mysterious/badass...with more story to come.

Rey....holly holly WHOA! Refreshing and interesting...

Chewie yes, definitely gets his due!!!
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Whereas I didn't hate the film, I support most all of the gripes presented in this thread.

The one that just kills me the most is not that Han was killed (though that sucked), was that when Chewie saw his life mate murdered, he shoulda just lost his *****! I mean shoot every living thing in sight, rip Stormtroopers arms out of their sockets, etc. We should have seen the raw and powerful Wookie rage that we know is there.

And then to make it worse....

They spent a third of a second on his grief. Really??? That scene needed to breathe and they stepped on it. He should have been almost inconsolable, and no one even tried to comfort him. I suspect they didn't want to slow the film down or bring the mood down, but dammit, Chewie and Han deserved better.

Oh yeah, did anyone else notice that C-3PO looked like crap? What was up with his costume? Also, he did not look like dirtied up gold chrome, he looked like gold rattle can spray paint.

I'm sure I will have more later.
 
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I was being facetious. I'm just saying Obi-Wan was birthed by someone, therefore it isn't beyond the realm of possibility or probability that the Kenobi family went on to produce another Force-sensitive child. It happened once, it can happen again.
 
Writer Michael Arndt on abandoned ideas:

“Early on I tried to write versions of the story where [Rey] is at home, her home is destroyed, and then she goes on the road and meets Luke. And then she goes and kicks the bad guy’s ass,” Arndt said. “It just never worked and I struggled with this. This was back in 2012.”

The trouble was a simple case of upstaging. “It just felt like every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over,” Arndt said. “Suddenly you didn’t care about your main character anymore because, ‘Oh f–k, Luke Skywalker’s here. I want to see what he’s going to do.’”

The good news for Abrams was, he got to make a Star Wars movie. The bad news was, his toybox wouldn’t include a real-life Luke Skywalker action figure. Some of the early MacGuffins of the movie – the thing that drives a movie’s plot – were a search for Darth Vader’s remains, or a quest to the underwater wreckage of the second Death Star to recover a key piece of history about sacred Jedi sites in the galaxy.

Ultimately, the writers decided to make Luke himself the MacGuffin – the thing Rey, Han, Finn and Chewie are trying to find. And they figured that if a horrific past trauma forced Luke to retreat from the world, maybe the same could be said of R2. The droid’s physical form is still present, but his personality is not – lost in the miasma of grief over what transpired in the past.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/2...-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens
 
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