Star Wars The Acolyte (tv series)

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NakedMoleRat said:
I had very little interest in this when it was mentioned.

Then I saw cast and creator interviews with some (what I thought to be) over the top ‘Star Wars saved my life’ and other tribble that made me groan.

And of course, I even went on record calling out other SW shows that I thought missed the target.

But, out of curiosity I watched them. And they weren’t as bad as I was expecting them to be. I had biased myself against them because of watching silly people on interviews saying silly things.

The first two episodes were entertaining. Not ‘blow you away, epic’ by any means, but entertaining. Enough that I’ll continue to watch them.

I think some are just attuned to hating any new Disney Wars because it’s become the cultural expectation now.

Again, Mando season three, TBOBF and Ahsoka all fell flat for me.

I liked Kenobi, even though the plot was dumb and canon breaking, but come on Hayden was amazing in it!

Andor is the only solid win for me.

So far this one has promise to me.

It’s a strange dichotomy where fans HAVE to hate any Disney Wars in order to be TRUE fans.

But then again, hate has pretty much become the driving force in our culture anyway now, so I shouldn’t be surprised, I guess.
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It's a strange thing for me, because though i hear you on the "I biased myself against them because of watching silly people on interviews saying silly things", nevertheless when we have the director AND the lead actor BOTH going on about how R2D2 is a lesbian, and wanting to see gay relationships EVERYWHERE--and thus deliberately inserting it into the writing of the show--it's hard for me to just ignore that.

It's like when someone points out that the stormtrooper bangs his head on the door in ANH... and once you know it's there, you can't unsee it. except that in the latter case it's just funny... in the former it's irritating because SEXUAL PREFERENCES AREN'T RELEVANT TO THIS STORY. They just aren't. And stating someone's sexual preferences over and over again doesn't make the the character "more interesting".

I think that's why i have a hard time dismissing what Lesley Hedland and Amandla Stenberg say.. because they seem to genuinely believe that telling everyone all the time about all of the queerness you have inside you makes you interesting and compelling as a character.

It doesn't.
 
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kristen jones said:
It's a strange thing for me, because though i hear you on the "I biased myself against them because of watching silly people on interviews saying silly things", nevertheless when we have the director AND the lead actor BOTH going on about how R2D2 is a lesbian, and wanting to see gay relationships EVERYWHERE--and thus deliberately inserting it into the writing of the show--it's hard for me to just ignore that.

It's like when someone points out that the stormtrooper bangs his head on the door in ANH... and once you know it's there, you can't unsee it. except that in the latter case it's just funny... in the former it's irritating because SEXUAL PREFERENCES AREN'T RELEVANT TO THIS STORY. They just aren't. And stating someone's sexual preferences over and over again doesn't make the the character "more interesting".

I think that's why i have a hard time dismissing what Lesley Hedland and Amandla Stenberg say.. because they seem to genuinely believe that telling everyone all the time about all of the queerness you have inside you makes you interesting and compelling as a character.

It doesn't.
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I’d never heard any of that. Only the Woman Power and SW saved my life stuff.

How stupid to even assign a gender to a robot, let alone a sexual preference. That’s just absurd!

Though in the sequel trilogy BB8 is referred to as both a he and a she at different times.

And I really don’t care if you’re straight, gay, whatever. Sexual preference has nothing to do with Jedi carrying out their assignments.

That being said, there’s something about blue Twilek women that just…well…I’d better just leave it at that.
 
kristen jones said:
It's a strange thing for me, because though i hear you on the "I biased myself against them because of watching silly people on interviews saying silly things", nevertheless when we have the director AND the lead actor BOTH going on about how R2D2 is a lesbian, and wanting to see gay relationships EVERYWHERE--and thus deliberately inserting it into the writing of the show--it's hard for me to just ignore that.

It's like when someone points out that the stormtrooper bangs his head on the door in ANH... and once you know it's there, you can't unsee it. except that in the latter case it's just funny... in the former it's irritating because SEXUAL PREFERENCES AREN'T RELEVANT TO THIS STORY. They just aren't. And stating someone's sexual preferences over and over again doesn't make the the character "more interesting".

I think that's why i have a hard time dismissing what Lesley Hedland and Amandla Stenberg say.. because they seem to genuinely believe that telling everyone all the time about all of the queerness you have inside you makes you interesting and compelling as a character.

It doesn't.
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You're absolutely right. That's the problem with a lot of these new stories. They focus on irrelevant details that distract from the plot. This is why the obsession with identity, no matter what category you choose from, is ruining fiction. It's narcissism at it's worst. Don't worry about telling a story, just insert yourself into everything because you as the author like it.

Stories are told in the service of entertaining others. That's literally the definition. Making it about a single characteristic of the author is self serving. Which means the intent is to please themselves, not an audience.

This video sums up the idea better than I ever could.

No this is not rage bait, clickbait, or the like. It's just a simple explanation about the net effect of this kind of writing. What makes it so potent is that the director made tons of hit films for Disney and has no problem with messaging.

 
Captain Dunsel said:
Are we still going on regarding the actor who couldn’t get Luke and Anakin straight?

OK—I find myself being a useless troll…

Does it affect anyone’s opinion if he did it not once, but twice, under two different occasions?

Oh, yes—two transgressions on the same topic.

Behold the horror…




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But, from what I understand…if those transgressions rile you up…oh, the hysteria that will erupt around Episodes 3 and 4.

;)
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Nope.

That's not bad enough to break my ability to separate the actor from their role.

Denise Gough, who played Dedra Meero, might be my favorite character in Andor simply because of the gravitas in her performance. In interviews Gough says she was never a Star Wars fan. At least she is honest about it.
 
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Unless it's directly related to the plot, or the relationships between the characters there's no need to even mention their sexuality because it's irrelevant.

Normalization means not having to call any attention to it. It just happens and no one bats an eye.

Reducing a person's identity to one aspect of their personality dehumanizes them because people are more than one thing.
 
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kristen jones said:
It's a strange thing for me, because though i hear you on the "I biased myself against them because of watching silly people on interviews saying silly things", nevertheless when we have the director AND the lead actor BOTH going on about how R2D2 is a lesbian, and wanting to see gay relationships EVERYWHERE--and thus deliberately inserting it into the writing of the show--it's hard for me to just ignore that.

It's like when someone points out that the stormtrooper bangs his head on the door in ANH... and once you know it's there, you can't unsee it. except that in the latter case it's just funny... in the former it's irritating because SEXUAL PREFERENCES AREN'T RELEVANT TO THIS STORY. They just aren't. And stating someone's sexual preferences over and over again doesn't make the the character "more interesting".

I think that's why i have a hard time dismissing what Lesley Hedland and Amandla Stenberg say.. because they seem to genuinely believe that telling everyone all the time about all of the queerness you have inside you makes you interesting and compelling as a character.

It doesn't.
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Yeah... When I heard this I thought "I'm so done with this new Star Wars."

This might be controversial, but I don't care to see or read any of this in "my" Star Wars. And I don't care to have my children see it either.
 
Bloop said:
I believe that pointing out characters' sexual orientation (not "preference," as it implies a choice that can be changed, or "cured") when it doesn't affect the story is kind of the point. It's to make people realize that different sexual orientations are normal. There's not an easy way to do that without having at least some reference to it onscreen - if they didn't mention it, no one would know.

I also don't think The Acolyte has had any sexual orientation written "deliberately" into the show, as you say, at least not in the first 2 episodes, unless I missed it. Maybe it will come later, I don't know, but I don't think your criticism is valid at this point. I can't speak to any ststements or interviews by the creative team behind The Acolyte.

There's certainly more references to sexual orientation and gender identity in entertainment at this point than in the past, but that's mainly because societal "norms" have changed, so our entertainment reflects that. I understand it can seem like a lot, but just look at the history of mainstream film and tv and you'll see how underrepresented many groups have been - or simply stereotyped when onscreen - and also due in large part to underepresentarion at the top of the studios.So now we're getting a bit of an overload of people of more diverse groups getting an opportunity to create content without the past constraints that made ot impossible.

While I think it's good thst there's more represention now, I'm also feeling that some of it feels like pandering. But these are huge corporations. They've always pandered to whoever they think will help them make the most money. It's silly to get upset because they aren't pandering to your particular group as much as they have in the past. They're going with the trends as much, if not moreso, than trying to present any sort of "agenda."
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With jedi though, it is supposed to be irrelevant. No love, no attachments, etc. In the entire ot they show 3 people's orientation. Han, luke, and leia as it aas a sub plot. In the pt, it was two because it was part of the main plot. I only saw 8 and 9 once, but i dont think any were made clear.

And that is kind of the point. Walk through a store or amusement park. Everyone blends together. You cannot just look at someone and tell their orientation. You only know if they tell you. No one walks up to and says i'm fred and im this orientation. I get they are working against a double standard, but still.
 
I fear that this thread is not going to make it through the weekend—and we didn’t even get to the expected histrionics of Episode 3, as foretold by the collective Nastradamuses (Nostradamai?) of YouTube…

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I, myself, have arrived at a level of comfortable and relaxed apathy, comparable to my attitude towards modern Star Trek, when it comes to Disney Star Wars.

Disney is going to “Disney” and I’ve just accepted and made peace with that.
 
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The critics reviews cannot be trusted. Some of them have admitted they’ve lied in reviews in order to continue to get free access to shows and movies. The audience reviews (when bots are not involved) are what you should trust. Why? Because they had to pay money to see it. And if they feel like they’ve been ripped off, they’re gonna be honest about it. I certainly don’t trust Rotten Tomatoes due to the fact there’s been a history of manipulation of the numbers for years (as I’ve posted about before). But, no, Disney isn’t doing anything right.

This may be the last post I can contribute before the tread is locked. So…

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