Star Wars The Acolyte (tv series)
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CopperRevan
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Edit: Another thought in my mind slipped out but it posted after i realized that Kylash posted his...and it's obvious you all want to talk about your excitement for the show. I was only trying to be funny, not snarky so i took it down and i will not interrupt your time. Sorry Kylash.
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cboath
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It's relative though.
What we saw in the OT was a particular aspect. There's nothing to say the emperor didn't know about the knights of ren then and had either largely wiped them out or had them off doing something else. The OT was Vader vs Luke for the most part. That's the aspect of it we were shown. The entire empire is colossally bigger than what was shown on screen. We weren't shown a single planet under their control really. Death star, star destroyers, a lone base on a moon - that's all we were shown of the empire. So, there's plenty of reason to not reference or show them during the OT. I mean, there was plenty Luke wasn't told about the events of the PT which we all know Obi and Yoda knew and simply withheld. Of course, we know the reality of that is the PT didn't exist and all GL had written of them was 'Obi and Anakin fought in the clone wars'. But aside from that there are plenty of reasons for the Knights of Ren to not be mentioned during the PT and OT if they existed. And again, we know that's because they simply didn't exist until TFA was written, but still. Inquisitors weren't shown or referenced in the OT but, we know they existed until a couple years before ANH and we know they existed well after as they're in Ahsoka still.
All we saw of the knights of ren on screen just made me think they were Kylo's group of yes-men or something. They stood there did nothing really. They tried to fight him a bit in ROTS and got their butts handed to them as I recall. To me, they don't really matter and maybe that's the reality. It was a group of potentially bad-@$* guys during the high republic who got obliterated and Kylo and his band of doofuses picked up the name again to try and use it for the cache'?
I'm hard pressed though to criticize the fact they may or may not be there until they've actually presented the story. I get that with the Disney stuff it's foolish to expect good writing, but it is very possible to write it in a way that it's disappearance until TFA makes sense.
CopperRevan
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I get that the Star Wars world was bigger than what we were allowed to see from the OT, which is why our imaginations ran wild with "what ifs?" for the next several years before the PT came out. That was what the magic of what Star Wars was...opened up our imaginations from a great original story.
I agree with you that they "could" write it in, and probably will but i believe it is a mistake to because , once again, it creates more problems than it solves. I believe the PT did as well, so i'm not singling out Disney in that regard but they are doubling down on their ST because to admit its failure well...cant do that...anyways, i see your point but here is something to consider. The Emperor was the top dog in the galaxy(in the OT) was he not? Based on the OT alone, did we know how long he was? We knew absolutely nothing but one fact still remained that we did know. He was the Emperor. Everyone knew of him. When he was defeated, you have such a finality to that evil, which completed a fulfilment in purpose of Vader and Luke and the rebels that, as a story, there is nothing more that needs to be done there within the confines of all who was involved. But, to your previous point about a lot of stuff happening in a 100yr period in the real world, if someone held a press conference and said, "Somehow, Hitler has returned" and the SS troops are back because they've been mysteriously hidden somehow, they'd be laughed all the way back where they came from. Since his demise, plenty of evil people have risen to power etc. but him and his troops are gone, never to return again...along with the likes of many others before them. So, if they want to go that direction yet again, then they fail once again to learn their lesson. As much as they may think i'm their enemy, if they will listen, i would be their best friend...i'm only trying to help them..lol, but you can't help someone that doesn't want it and thinks they have it all figured out.
So GL does the PT...were there problems? you bet...a lot of them...head scratchers!
Then the ST...Don't worry...I won't beat the dead Taun taun with my lightsaber
and so on...each time they hang slightly around the Skywalker era, it just causes more problems.
I go back to your point that we can both agree on. KOTOR was far enough away that it's inconsequential to the OT. I'm ok with things like that.
Disney can prove their worth by cutting the umbilical cord away from anything that disrupts the OT. They won't though...
Is the Star Wars world huge? Of course, and if i'm hearing you right, they need to go a lot further away than they are, which is why i won't sign off on really anything they'd want to do so close to the original trilogy.
Thanks for the good dialogue, btw. I like this kind.( Thanks for taking the time to have well thought out points...i appreciate that)
Well, I’ll be…
I need to go back and watch Star Wars, again…
It turns out, Anakin (not Luke) blew up the Death Star.
Did the rest of you already know this??
The creators of The Acolyte have this whole “Star Wars Lore” thing down…
I need to go back and watch Star Wars, again…
It turns out, Anakin (not Luke) blew up the Death Star.
Did the rest of you already know this??
The creators of The Acolyte have this whole “Star Wars Lore” thing down…
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CopperRevan
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I remember when I was a kid in the early 80s they had these things called " Lego's"...yep, you know what they are, and they were just a bunch of blocks that we had to use this thing called "our imagination" to construct images that our " minds" came up with. Now they just come from somebody else's mind and all we have to do is capitulate and follow their instructions so we achieve their vision, not ours...paying them big money to do it.
My question...I wonder how much larger the world of our imagination was then as opposed to now? That might explain why we live in a generation of reboot after reboot. Their idea of creativity is to just undo what's been successfully done...revise history..." Make villains the Heroes and Heroes the Villians". Less creativity equals a smaller world and certainly less meaningful. With lack of vision, the people perish. I agree with Ron 100%. The conversation between Obi-Wan and Luke about his father, while in his hut, was enough to open up a " larger world" than anything I've seen since, under the Star Wars banner...lol. Definitely don't need to wait 2 days to find out which one is larger and more meaningful.
...but I guess I am sort of block head...lol
My question...I wonder how much larger the world of our imagination was then as opposed to now? That might explain why we live in a generation of reboot after reboot. Their idea of creativity is to just undo what's been successfully done...revise history..." Make villains the Heroes and Heroes the Villians". Less creativity equals a smaller world and certainly less meaningful. With lack of vision, the people perish. I agree with Ron 100%. The conversation between Obi-Wan and Luke about his father, while in his hut, was enough to open up a " larger world" than anything I've seen since, under the Star Wars banner...lol. Definitely don't need to wait 2 days to find out which one is larger and more meaningful.
...but I guess I am sort of block head...lol
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CopperRevan
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Well, if Anakin's nephew, Luke, didn't steal the plans of the rebel base and hide them in his wife Leia's bikini, Anakin wouldn't have been so ticked off that The Emperor wasn't granted the rank of Master, that he wouldn't have blown up the Death Star.
Joek3rr
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Isn't he the one during Celebration that was going on about how there isn't evil in Star Wars?
I believe so
HeartBlade
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What is the context of that quote by the actor? Given the premise of the Acolyte (the jedi are actually evil and the Sith are not all bad).
I am kind of sick with all the "fake fan" actors and influencers who say they love such and such franchise and grew up with it as a child but have no clue about it. I think its perfectly acceptable for an actor to not really be familiar with a franchise but say something like "I read the books recently and hope to be true to the character" or something at least. Ella Purnell did that with Fallout and she did a great job (to be fair, Fallout isnt exactly the most story-driven game and world building is far more important).
Im guessing the actor was trying to point out that the jedi "were evil too" because Anakin/Luke blew up the Death Star which killed a ton of people/stormtroopers. While that is true, the death star itself is a threat that would kill far more if left operational (remember Alderaan?). Luke destroying the Death Star/Anakin destroying the droid mothership involved in Naboo's invasion was still a net benefit in terms of lives saved.
I am kind of sick with all the "fake fan" actors and influencers who say they love such and such franchise and grew up with it as a child but have no clue about it. I think its perfectly acceptable for an actor to not really be familiar with a franchise but say something like "I read the books recently and hope to be true to the character" or something at least. Ella Purnell did that with Fallout and she did a great job (to be fair, Fallout isnt exactly the most story-driven game and world building is far more important).
Im guessing the actor was trying to point out that the jedi "were evil too" because Anakin/Luke blew up the Death Star which killed a ton of people/stormtroopers. While that is true, the death star itself is a threat that would kill far more if left operational (remember Alderaan?). Luke destroying the Death Star/Anakin destroying the droid mothership involved in Naboo's invasion was still a net benefit in terms of lives saved.
HeartBlade
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My favorite Star Wars quote from that movie.
Do you volunteer as tribute" Palpatine said calmly as he rushed toward Percy Jackson.
Master Boda
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The director Headland was friends with Harvey W,so that told me all I needed to know.After watching that clip you posted, I’m not surprised.
Infusing every aspect of these shows and movies with moral ambiguity is like poisoning a well. If you do it in small enough increments and if you do it long enough, people will never suspect that they're slowly being killed from the inside. I see a lot of comments how even the best material Lucasfilm has produced since 2012 doesn't quite "feel" like Star Wars. It's those trace amounts of poison you're tasting. The lie that fools you into thinking there is no right or wrong. Modern Star Wars isn't the only franchise that does this, but it's easily one of the worst offenders if you pay close enough attention. Sadly for a lot of people, pop culture is their moral compass and these stories don't teach good lessons.
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kalkamel
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She's gonna do to Star Wars what her ex-boss did to those actresses.
Master Boda
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I might be able to answer a bit of that.”Back then” our imagination was free to roam around outside the box.Psychological studies in the 70’s&80’s discovered that if you take a “normal” person and put them around other people who are not “normal”, the mind regresses into dumbing itself down.The internet is a “asylum” for humanity, and we know stupidity always outnumbers intellects.We live in the “now” where imagination is on the endangered list, as it is being hunted by hive minds who want to eradicate it.Most of the new generation are unaware of imagination as they have never possessed it,they are hardwired.Imagination takes work and effort hence why it is shunned by lazy reboots.Why think for yourself when you can be lazy/dumb and copy someone else who put forth the effort/work into imagining.
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