You didn't bring up Yoda, Halliwax did and it was just if we thought we'd see a cameo or not.lol. I think you were the first to point out Yoda and Obi-Wan in a negative sense( I took it as negative, given the totality of what you said) ...as you said they lied/ manipulated Luke to cover-up their mistake for the greater good of the Jedi. What I'm trying to figure out is when and how anyone ever, growing up with the OT walked away from watching that, thinking that way? The mistake being Anakin? Anakin turning to the Dark side was because of Yoda and Obi-Wan? Or were you referring to The mistake being something else? I know you also said they did it for the greater good of the Jedi but in context, the way most people looked at it was that The Emperor and Vader were evil and they had to be defeated at all cost...Do you understand how this can be confusing? Because it sounds like you are playing both sides of the fence. Are you accusing Yoda and Obi of this or are you justifying their lying for the greater good? Either way, by following it up with "manipulating Luke to kill Anakin to cover their mistake" to me really solidifies the intent of your statement. Just need more clarity on that.
Maybe I'm just dense...lol
In Obi-Wan's view Luke was the last hope. Yoda said there is another. But all that dialogue was meant to do was setup the final confrontation. Honestly, even after the PT no one looked at Yoda or Obi-Wan as liars or manipulators that were trying to cover up their "mistake"(Anakin) So, in the name of character development and exploring backstories we change the context and heart of the original characters? This is my biggest problem with this interpretation of Star Wars and as it relates to the real world. That in the name of progress, its justifiable to rewrite history...or deconstruct characters to pacify your own narrative for the time? That's not storytelling, nor is it character or world building in my opinion.
Well, to me, the way someone 'feels' about it can be completely different from what actually happened.
I wasn't trying to be confusing, so I'm sorry if I was. I'll try to state it clearer...
Again, for spoiler reasons, I'll leave out what he did in the HR story.
Mace clearly stated that the Jedi's abilities had diminished & wanted to tell the Senate, because the Senate was depending on the Jedi based on their abilities. Yoda is the one who said no, specifically because it would increase their enemies. That sounds like self-preservation over all to me, & the fact of it is that they shouldn't have been leading the armies in the Clone Wars, & maybe wouldn't have been if the Senate had been aware of that.
As for manipulating Luke, I don't know how plainer that can be.
Luke was told that Vader KILLED his father. Why? Maybe because it would be harder to convince an 18 year old to kill the father he thought was dead already?
Next, Kenobi dies & can't complete Luke's training, so he sends him to Yoda, who uses reverse psychology to get Luke to commit to his training, manipulating him to have the "I'll show you" mentality. As already mentioned, Kenobi thought Luke was the last hope & Yoda wanted it to be Leia, right? So if he wasn't trying to manipulate Luke, then why did he say Luke was too old? HE WAS THE SAME AGE AS YODA'S CHOICE, LEIA! It was to get the farm boy to say "Uh-Uh! Am not!"
Anyways, Luke was as flaky & immature as Yoda thought & ran off. He got the Truth Bomb dropped on him & so of course, Luke confronts his mentors. How do they respond?
Well, Knowing he's ABOUT TO DIE, Yoda tries to roll over & avoid answering any hard questions, & then when asked point blank if Vader is Luke's father, he closes his eyes, sighs, & admits it's true. It's clear that he/they did NOT want Luke Knowing that info & even chastise Luke for finding it out!
So then we come to old Ben. I'll just leave that with the age old saying "A half truth is a whole lie".
You can look at all these events through the nostalgic eyes we all had when we were younger, but to do that, I personally would have to subscribe to truth being fluid & changeable based on a "Point of View". Now I don't watch those movies, hating these characters like it seems I'm being characterized as doing, but as an adult I can see what they did.
Owen Lars was the wisest man in the OT to me when Beru said Luke had too much of his Father in him, & Owen admitted that was what scared him.
Anakin & Luke were both loving, compassionate young men who grew up with Father figures, but no Father. They both suffered the loss of the only family they knew, & then had that loss manipulated by their mentors, who were also viewed as new Father figures. The difference is Anakin really only had Padme, & was willing to compromise his morals to save her, whereas Luke had his friends, & was just as strong willed to save them, but without compromising his morals & killing Vader, which is the only way Ben & Yoda saw things going.
I'm not writing all this out to convince anyone to agree with me or change anyone's mind, but it's what I see & I hope that's clearer.
Now back to The Acolyte...
Yellow lightsaber blades still look weird to me.
. We all give our thoughts in good faith. Maybe we come off a little abrasive sometimes. I'm sure I do. I never mean to bother anyone and I sincerely hope I don't. Sometimes it's nice to just vent what's on our minds.
