Star Wars Andor (Disney+ TV series)

Wolfsburg said:
We're talking about an entire galaxy where droids are commonplace and a part of every day life. Modern day earth, as it were, is in the infancy of such tech so of course it is gonna cost more. Modern day earth is not analogous to the GFFA. If peasants on Tatooine can own droids, they can't be as expensive as you guys seem to think they are for some reason. There has been zero in the movies that implies that your average droid is prohibitively expensive.

I certainly didn't expect the merits of automation vs slave labor to be a topic of discussion but we certainly will have to agree to disagree. Clearly I'm in the minority in this thinking! :lol:
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I likewise can’t understand why you think their so plentiful that they cost next to nothing. But as you say, we’ll agree to disagree.

I love the RPF!
 
NakedMoleRat said:
I likewise can’t understand why you think their so plentiful that they cost next to nothing. But as you say, we’ll agree to disagree.

I love the RPF!
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Droids are clearly prevalent in most all facets of life in the GFFA. You see droids everywhere. Even in hardscrabble settlements that clearly aren't monied or wealthy. I've just never seen anything to imply your typical labor droid doing menial tasks would be expensive. A slave boy built a droid by hand so the parts can't be that spendy or uncommon if he managed to just find whatever he needed.

I love RPF too! I love this stuff.

Ultimately this crap doesn't matter. It was simply a throwaway line to justify the story they came up with. It just didn't make much sense to me. It never occurred to me that some would feel droids were expensive or even particularly special within the canon of SW.
 
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Another minor point might be the attitude of the Galaxy at large towards droids in the aftermath of the Clone Wars. I believe it was already casually retconned before the Disney acquisition that one of the reasons behind Wuher's "We don't serve their kind" in A New Hope was that many people harbor ill will towards droids considering the actions of the Confederacy during the war. I Know the initial reasoning behind it was that droids took up space in the bar that could be filled by an actual paying costumer, but after the release of Episode 1 (long before Disney) a concerted effort was made in the EU to bring up that a lot of people were distrustful of Droids and often at best tolerant of them.

Given that a lot of the Empire's staff and facilities were born out of existing Republic infrastructure, especially in the early days, it could make sense in the context of the story that the folks in the prison bureau having possibly fought Battle Droids or been occupied by them, would be reluctant to utilize them, when human labor could be easily supplied.

Of course this is all just baseless conjecture to attempt to justify a plot point as viewed through our own life experience. Star Wars takes place in a fictional universe where not everything has to have a perfect analogue or correlation to life on Earth. Heck, even societies on Earth still have little cultural quirks that seem ridiculous or inconceivable to other people on the same planet, even on the same continent.

It's like in the costuming world when people try to apply real life logic to Stormtrooper or Mandalorian armor, and talk about how a modern military does it differently and how they think the costumes and armor should be, based on their experiences in the military or Law Enforcement.

Some times stuff in Star Wars just doesn't make sense through a current world view point because it is set in a different universe. It could just be as simple as in the Star Wars universe that massive automated factories just aren't a thing. Even in AotC 3PO seems taken aback by the concept of the factory, "Machines making Machines? How preserve!"
 
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Honestly, that makes more sense in my mind, if it was more of a bias or attitude against droids. The Empire is clearly an entity that leans heavily on technology but I could buy that perhaps it is a bit less so at this earlier juncture. Clearly this newest episode demonstrated why droids are a better option for menial labor and living beings aren't the bargain they apparently appear to be! Lol! Speaking of which...

...what a fantastic episode. I'm just continually blown away by the production values and acting. Across the board, just so well done. Pretty sure the mic that Kino spoke into was the same style that Han used in his "reactor leak" spiel in ANH.
 
I loved seeing them and in the hands of Imperials (initially anyways)! Nice break from E-11s and kinda hearkens back to seeing them in the hands of some of the Imperial officers on the Death Star
 
Wolfsburg said:
We're talking about an entire galaxy where droids are commonplace and a part of every day life. Modern day earth, as it were, is in the infancy of such tech so of course it is gonna cost more. Modern day earth is not analogous to the GFFA. If peasants on Tatooine can own droids, they can't be as expensive as you guys seem to think they are for some reason. There has been zero in the movies that implies that your average droid is prohibitively expensive.

I certainly didn't expect the merits of automated mass production vs a living workforce building things by hand to be a topic of discussion but we certainly will have to agree to disagree. Clearly I'm in the minority in my thinking! :lol:
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NakedMoleRat said:
I likewise can’t understand why you think their so plentiful that they cost next to nothing. But as you say, we’ll agree to disagree.

I love the RPF!
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Do we know how many episodes this season will have? We still havent seen the lightsaber ship spin lol
 
Wolfsburg said:
Droids are clearly prevalent in most all facets of life in the GFFA. You see droids everywhere. Even in hardscrabble settlements that clearly aren't monied or wealthy. I've just never seen anything to imply your typical labor droid doing menial tasks would be expensive. A slave boy built a droid by hand so the parts can't be that spendy or uncommon if he managed to just find whatever he needed.
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While it's true that droids are found in even poor parts of the galaxy, those droids are clearly well worn, well used, and are probably quite old, probably several generations behind the latest in droid tech on wealthier worlds. We also don't see many of them in any one place. outside of the droid army during the Clone Wars. So while they're definitely around, I'd argue that they're not exactly everywhere.

Something else that goes against droids being used for the production of whatever they're making on Narkina is that the Empire hasn't shown to be particularly big on using droids outside of some specific uses like probe droids and interrogation droids. We don't see many, if any droids on Star Destroyers, we only see 1 protocol droid and some mouse droids on the Death Star, and we've seen 0 doids in the ISB HQ.
 
Kylash said:
Do we know how many episodes this season will have? We still havent seen the lightsaber ship spin lol
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I've been waiting for that too! It seems super cringy but we'll see what it's like in context I guess. I'm surprised they showed something apparently so late into the season in the trailers. I know at least in the case of Mando, they were pretty guarded about what they showed. I know season 2 trailers showed nothing from the second half of the season. Of course Robert Rodriguez claimed the content shown in the crappy trailers for TBOBF were only from the first few episodes and that was patently untrue.

Riceball said:
While it's true that droids are found in even poor parts of the galaxy, those droids are clearly well worn, well used, and are probably quite old, probably several generations behind the latest in droid tech on wealthier worlds. We also don't see many of them in any one place. outside of the droid army during the Clone Wars. So while they're definitely around, I'd argue that they're not exactly everywhere.

Something else that goes against droids being used for the production of whatever they're making on Narkina is that the Empire hasn't shown to be particularly big on using droids outside of some specific uses like probe droids and interrogation droids. We don't see many, if any droids on Star Destroyers, we only see 1 protocol droid and some mouse droids on the Death Star, and we've seen 0 doids in the ISB HQ.
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I'm not sure but modern or not, they are around. While we don't see them thousands or millions at a time, like a droid army, I'd say you see quite a large number of civilian droids over the span of the movies and shows. Fair point about Imperial internal use of droids though I know we see an RA-7 or two, mouse droids and some astromechs on both Death Stars. I don't recall seeing anything other than mouse droids on the star destroyers though. Of course I understand there would be some newer or more modern droids depending on where you go but my impression has always been that they are ubiquitous and readily obtainable, depending on what they are of course. A highly specialized, assassin droid like IG-88 is one thing but a low cognition manufacturing droid for menial tasks is quite another, imo.

Heck, rather ironically we even had one droid in this newest episode that was literally a gurney with a head carrying the corpse of Ulaf and earlier in the season we saw a droid that was literally just stairs for passengers on the Ferrix transports. That seems pretty superfluous if they really are that expensive and unobtainable. Lol!
 
I’m still really enjoying Andor. Great characters. Great writing.

For the first time in a long time, I can’t predict where they will be going with a story.

I’m hooked.

It’s very clear to me that Disney should have told more stories in the Rogue One era vs. going into the disaster of the Sequel Trilogy. The story of the time between the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War is so much more interesting. What a wasted opportunity…but, better late than never.
 
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