Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

As far as I know, Spock was the first Vulcan serving on a "mixed" ship. I'm guessing the Vulcans didn't want him on any of theirs because he was a half-breed. There's some stuff in the lore about Humans having a hard time getting the other Federation races to "join the team". The Andorians got a bit more involved during the Four Years War and proved themselves capable warship designers -- but they, like the Vulcans, preferred to crew their own ships. The Vulcans seemed to have a snootier attitude (shocker, I know), and it took a Starfleet expedition to Vulcan to convince them to participate. I don't know if I've ever seen a good, reliable account of what this "Vulcanian Expedition" was, but it would've been right around the time SNW is set.

I imagine there were protocols even then for recognizing qualified spacers from other organizations and matriculating them in to Starfleet with a modest procedural indoctrination course, rather than having to send all of them through the Academy. I imagine further that the Intrepid -- and any other similarly all-Vulcan-crewed ships -- had crews picked and submitted by Vulcan High Command to populate Starfleet science vessels. Negotiated stipulations, inherent pacifism, not wanting to mix with "lesser" races, and all that.

Spock may or may not have been the first Vulcan to apply to and go through Starfleet Academy. Their track record of doing their own thing their own way was established in TOS and the films (Kirk and Co. hung out on Vulcan for three months after the Genesis Incident before heading home to face the music, and there seemed to be not a hint of extradition talk), all the way through to DS9 (the T'Kumbra, anyone?). Main timeline or alternate, everything after Voyager maintained that aloofness. Even as of TUC, there's a perception from other powers that Humans run the show with the Federation and Starfleet and set the rules of who can play with them.

There may have been other Vulcans in Starfleet before Spock... but the historical pattern doesn't lead me to assume so.
 
With this second episode, again I sensed that the writers can't quite tell the difference between Starfleet and the Federation. Anyone else feel that way?
That also goes back a long way. At least in TUC, Azet'bur referred to the Federation -- not Starfleet -- as a "homo sapiens-only club". We know from earlier material that it is anything but. Our focus has mostly been on one ship of the formerly-Human-now-Federation paramilitary exploration and defense force, so that can skew bias, based on observed data.

I blame thirty years of writer laziness. From that film through Enterprise, the heavy implication is that, rather than an organic coming-together of likeminded races, the founding of the Federation was Humans strongarming the local races they'd encountered into it, and they held outsized positions of power and authority in it as a result. That definitely isn't what Gene had in mind, or took pains to show us in TMP or early TNG -- his best shots at showing the larger society of his world.
 
According u the Startrek.com Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet, not the only one.

Its what's on screen that matters, not what an intern wrote on Startrek.com, they get stuff wrong all the time. After 9-11 the official star trek website timeline said the attacks lead to a more unified humanity.
 
I was finally able to catch the latest episode, this afternoon. Fairly predictable episode without a lot of “that’s interesting” movements. This was not quite the “Measure of a Man” episode the show runners likely hoped it would be. Entertaining enough, I suppose.

On a side note, the scenes of Pike cooking in his gigantic “ski lodge-styled” captain’s mess are starting to wearing thin. The show needs to be retitled “Cooking With Everyone’s Buddy, Chris Pike”. I realize that this Captain’s Mess has largely replaced a “Ready Room” or conference lounge as a setting for exposition, but it gives the Captain a far too casual air about him as everyone’s pal vs. their captain.

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Just watched episode 3. That was great , I loved it. I'm totally sold of Wesley as Kirk. La'an cries at the end, and it was earned, and appropriate (unlike another show I could mention).


Now for the controversial part, they also officially moved the dates of the Eugenics Wars, as a byproduct of the temporal wars, which might annoy some people, but I'm fine with it. However, it also probably means the temporal wars are why everything looks different from TOS, which means TOS has been overwritten by a new timeline. And that is really going to piss some people off. Of course, the ripples of the disruption will gradually dampen with time and should largely be gone by the TOS Movie era. Then by TNG the two timelines are pretty much identical again, and can be considered as having functionally merged (which is an idea I took from the Department of Temporal Investigation Novels)

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Here's my take on the Trek timeline situation

Original:
TOS>ST: First Contact

Temporal War version 1:
First Contact>ENT>TOS>TNG>DS9>VOY>Nemesis>Time War

Temporal War version 2
(Time agents Delay the Eugenics War)>First Contact>ENT>Disco>SNW>(Alternate high tech TOS)>(very slightly alternate TOS movies)>TNG>DS9>VGR>LD>PRO>PIC>Time war>Disco
 
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My timeline take is:

FC (no-Borg version) > TOS/TAS/TFS > TNG > DS9 > VOY > Prodigy > glimpsed early-25th century ("All Good Things...", "Endgame", "The Visitor", consistent uniforms, Enterprise-D still in service, etc.)

Something happened. The Borg, instead of being a gestalt of all the individuals in the collective mind, got a Queen. Perhaps this is part of the Temporal Cold War. As a result:

FC (Borg version) > ENT (where the TCW is lost) > JJ-verse

OR:

FC (Borg version) > ENT (where the TCW is narrowly won) > DSC > SNW > [presumed similar-but-a-bit-different TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY] > Lower Decks > Picard

The original timeline still exists because there would still be a timeline where the TCW never happened or it was a solid victory that "undid" the TCW.
 
I found myself really disliking a lot of things in this episode. The romantic sub-plot was yawn inducing, and as someone from Toronto a fair bit of the travel seemed very quick (Vermont is 6 hours away, the Lakeview is nowhere near the waterfront). Also did not like this portrayal of Kirk in this episode.

I did like that they tried to address the timeline on the eugenics wars, and thought the inclusion of Pela was kind of clever.
Wish Kirk had said "oh my" when he died like in generations.
 
My timeline take is:

FC (no-Borg version) > TOS/TAS/TFS > TNG > DS9 > VOY > Prodigy > glimpsed early-25th century ("All Good Things...", "Endgame", "The Visitor", consistent uniforms, Enterprise-D still in service, etc.)

Something happened. The Borg, instead of being a gestalt of all the individuals in the collective mind, got a Queen. Perhaps this is part of the Temporal Cold War. As a result:

FC (Borg version) > ENT (where the TCW is lost) > JJ-verse

OR:

FC (Borg version) > ENT (where the TCW is narrowly won) > DSC > SNW > [presumed similar-but-a-bit-different TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY] > Lower Decks > Picard

The original timeline still exists because there would still be a timeline where the TCW never happened or it was a solid victory that "undid" the TCW.

OK…check me on this…in which of these timelines / realities does Steve Rogers live happily ever after with Peggy Carter?


Thinking Think GIF by Rodney Dangerfield
 
At least we can now watch this mediocre show knowing it takes place in an alternate (and forgettable) universe, and that the original timeline established in TOS is secure.
 
At least we can now watch this mediocre show knowing it takes place in an alternate (and forgettable) universe, and that the original timeline established in TOS is secure.

It always was, simply by virtue of the grotesque incompatibility of it and the KurtzmanVerse. Square peg cannot fit in round hole.

Or, as a wise man once said, “Even in this corner of the galaxy, two plus two still equals four.”.
 
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