Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
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asalaw
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In case anyone’s even mildly curious, Wikipedia has a comprehensive list of body swap stories throughout time. It’s not a distinguished roster by a long shot. Who knew there were so many Freaky Friday remakes?
robn1
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Like Trelane's food.
The bridge is a great example. Matt Jefferies and Pato Guzman put a lot of work into the original design to make it as real world functional as possible. They even made full size mock ups to make sure that everything was well positioned, like the row of square displays that were placed at eye level. The SNW bridge has these panels up over head where the labels couldn't even be read.
Gimpdiggity
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I’ve enjoyed every episode so far.
Maybe it's because we watch it on a. Obscenely large screen every week which makes it feel more like a cinema experience but we both really enjoyed this episode.. It went off of tangents, it had a classic fight scene from The Cable Guy! (Ha!) and had Enterprise Bingo!.. I enjoyed the show but how come they can walk outside without suits but 40 plus years or so later in STTMP they Don suits?
Pike is shooting from the hip and guiding his fresh young crew molding them into who they might become.
I enjoyed the Spock story and it made for an amusing couple of scenes..
And its so...... Much better than Discovery and its real world politics and Picard which was dire!
JiminSTLouis
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In Obsession he was publicly challemged on the bridge about the rendezvous with the Yorktown. In The Deadly Years he was publicly challenged on the bridge about signing the fuel consumption report and increasing the orbit. I’m sure there are other examples. The point is they didn’t always just blindly follow his orders without question.
As I’ve noted before, the NuTREK sets look fancy and expensive, but they most certainly do not look like they’ve be comfortable to live and work in for years at a time. Lots of bright lights and reflective surfaces and so on.
I don’t believe anyone is saying that. There are most certainly instances where people like Scotty or Sulu questioned Kirk’s orders on the Bridge. Most of those instances were people trying to do their jobs correctly (due to Kirk’s growing senility in “The Deadly Years”), pointing out situations where lives would be put in serious jeopardy (“Obsession”), or noting that Kirk’s commands appeared to be in serious violation of Starfleet orders (“The Enterprise Incident”).
But the sort of grumbling, flippant, millennial-snark that we see now was not present.
Exactly: there's a big difference between ascertaining the instructions they were given/ pointing out important info that they felt needed to be addressed, and simply whining about a situation. Professionalism is about doing what is necessary to get the job done; any good commander/ boss will recognize that as opposed to someone whose attitude and actions simply undermine the command structure.
Lightning
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Well firstly TMP is 15ish years away. Secondly, they specifically talk about how dangerous what they are doing is. One hiccup in the force field and they are dead. They were specifically trying to find something sufficiently against the rules to get into the spirit of Enterprise Bingo, since their ranks give them the authority to allow the rules breaking that is in the regular bingo challenges.
My friends, how many times do I have to say it….
You can’t expect “McDonald’s Happy Meal Star Trek” (Strange New Worlds)….
…to compare to “Charbroiled Kobe Trek” (Classic Trek)…
Adjust (lower) your expectations when turning on Paramount’s current offering and you won’t end up looking like this at the end of each new episode:
I don’t seriously invest in any of the character and story elements of SNW and it’s just a passable diversion for me, like watching a random home renovation show on HGTV. By no means do I take it seriously and I can enjoy some elements of it (set and prop design, etc.) while blowing off the rest as laughable, clumsy and cringy contemporary politics, derivative, or lazy.
Case in point was when Spock and T’Ping swapped bodies with all the sophistication of that movie where Jason Bateman and Ryan Reynolds switched bodies by peeing into a fountain at the same time.
Hilarious stuff…
You can’t expect “McDonald’s Happy Meal Star Trek” (Strange New Worlds)….
…to compare to “Charbroiled Kobe Trek” (Classic Trek)…
Adjust (lower) your expectations when turning on Paramount’s current offering and you won’t end up looking like this at the end of each new episode:
I don’t seriously invest in any of the character and story elements of SNW and it’s just a passable diversion for me, like watching a random home renovation show on HGTV. By no means do I take it seriously and I can enjoy some elements of it (set and prop design, etc.) while blowing off the rest as laughable, clumsy and cringy contemporary politics, derivative, or lazy.
Case in point was when Spock and T’Ping swapped bodies with all the sophistication of that movie where Jason Bateman and Ryan Reynolds switched bodies by peeing into a fountain at the same time.
Hilarious stuff…
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I thought he looked like this after consuming what appeared to be lukewarm ravioli and capers from your previous culinary/tv series comparison post
I enjoy Strange New Worlds…if this were a movie, we would be at the middle of the film now, trying to find the fish…perhaps the good doctor caught one, guess I will watch again to confirm
I am entertained by the midpoint episode, nothing more, nothing less (like Paul Sorvino in Murder She Wrote…baseball!)
Cephus
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That's really all it is for me. It's something to do while I'm in-between other, better shows. It's not so bad that I want to stop watching but it's nothing that I'm going to focus on either. That's true of a lot of shows these days. They're just there. They're filler. There's nothing of substance on the screen.
I say this without emotion or judgement, but if you want things to improve, you need to vote with your wallets. Every subscription and every view of inferior products is tacit approval, and a "Yes, I want more shows like this" vote. "You need to see it before you can judge it" is really not an excuse, in today's day and age.
I've personally taken the hard line, and will never buy or watch a Disney STAR WARS or Bad Reboot/Secret Hideout STAR TREK product again. Unless I see hard evidence of actual improvement and respect for the material and the audience, which is highly unlikely. Far too many bridges have been burned, at this point, and I will not reward them for their continued destruction of things I hold dear, and their continued attacks against loyal fans with legitimate criticisms.
Once you get unplugged from the Matrix, it's shockingly easy to stay unplugged. Take those red pills, people.
That being said, we all have lapses. I must confess to being a sinner.
While on vacation, recently, I made the mistake of buying a TREK novel that was published last year, set during the TOS movie era. "What harm could there be?", I said. "It's a TOS-era novel", I said.
Unfortunately, there were STD/LOWER DECKS references peppered throughout, as well as unsubtle references to--and lecturing about--current hot-button issues such as vaccines and gender identity. I just wanted a fun STAR TREK story with the TOS cast, and was instead confronted by things which pulled me out of the story and reminded me of the sad state of the franchise. I wanted to return the book to the store, but decided to keep it as a reminder.
I won't be making that mistake again.
New= Bad. I'll seek out older novels and comics and whatnot, instead.
...oh, and we should pay our respects to STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN on its 40th anniversary, today. A film that Bad Reboot and Secret Hideout have consistently (and badly) ripped off for over a decade, simply because it's popular and a bit more action-adventure oriented than usual STAR TREK, and therefore requires less brainpower to plagiarize.
We should also be grateful that Nick Meyer's CETI ALPHA V scripts went unproduced, considering how his early STD scripts ended up being rewritten. Although I'd love to read those scripts.
We should also be grateful that Nick Meyer's CETI ALPHA V scripts went unproduced, considering how his early STD scripts ended up being rewritten. Although I'd love to read those scripts.
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It's all good; as far as actual Trek, the older stuff should be safe. "Strange New Worlds" I really had hopes for, but now it's tuning into "SJW" and it's sad.
Once more, with feeling: Spock and T'Pring were telepathically bonded as kids, and then met again as adults when he went into Pon Farr, during "Amok Time". They weren't a lovingly-engaged couple who occasionally hung out, went to dinner, and banged when he had free time. It was an arranged marriage, with neither being in the other's life until the proper time came, decades later.
Let's see how Memory Alpha deals with this incongruity:
T'Pring
T'Pring was a 23rd century female Vulcan. T'Pring was born in 2230 to Sevet and T'Pril on Vulcan. She was bonded to Spock as a child. (TOS: "Amok Time"; SNW: "Charades") In the 2250s, T'Pring was a member of the El-Keshtanktil and served as an administrator and treatment specialist at the Vulcan...
memory-alpha.fandom.com
Oh, good, the SNW material is now at the beginning of her entry, just as so many other entries have been overwritten with SNW and STD material.
I think poor old Bjo Trimble would stroke out and die if she was asked to do another revision of her CONCORDANCE.
You can expect more Adventures on Memory Alpha as we proceed, I think. Let us examine the mental gymnastics at work as devoted fans desperately try to reconcile these gaping shotgun blasts in the canon. One of my favorites is the U.S.S. ENTERPRISE ILLUSTRATED HANDBOOK from a few years back, which claimed that the ship was initially commanded by Pike in its first pilot configuration, then got refitted to the STD/SNW look, then got refitted back to a variant of the original look by the time of the second pilot. Sure. Makes perfect sense to me.
Also, it's incredibly unsubtle and key-jangly of this episode to rip off SUPERMAN III by having Spock's human and Vulcan halves fighting each other (albeit in a dream) in a riff on "Amok Time". Which I'm sure the writers' room refers to as "the one where Kirk and Spock fight with the things and the CABLE GUY music".
And I only just noticed that NuPike's green wraparound has not one but two insignias--one on the belt, and the other in the usual spot, over the heart. The usual redundant and overdesigned uniforms again, I see. Just like the tiny watermarks all over the AbramsVerse uniforms. It's no surprise that this version of Starfleet is akin to the Department of Redundancy Department.
And what happened to M'Benga that would cause him to be demoted from the CMO position, and to lose his accent?
Just call it a reboot. That's all they have to do. Just call it a reboot that's not connected to the real canon.
But the spiteful hacks can't do that, can they? They just have to piss all over the works of their betters.
