Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
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Picard102
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More likely he's still dealing with the knowledge of his future circumstances, and his fatigue with being in command that we see in "The Cage".
Like all New-Trek characters, Pike has been saddled with flaws and—most importantly—with “trauma”.
The writers seem to believe that the viewing audience needs to see these characters on the same playing field as themselves (flawed, weak, perhaps undisciplined and unfocused, etc.) vs. the characters representing someone to aspire to be.
And, above all else, as is the cardinal rule in CW-level teen shows…”trauma” is the only way they believe that drama can take place.
Sybok would find lots of fertile ground in New-Trek…
The writers seem to believe that the viewing audience needs to see these characters on the same playing field as themselves (flawed, weak, perhaps undisciplined and unfocused, etc.) vs. the characters representing someone to aspire to be.
And, above all else, as is the cardinal rule in CW-level teen shows…”trauma” is the only way they believe that drama can take place.
Sybok would find lots of fertile ground in New-Trek…
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NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Nobody in new Trek is optimistic, mentally balanced or even happy to have the jobs that they do.
I’ll watch the final episode of Picard and then cancel Paramount pull-ups.
No need to sit through any more of this garbage.
I’ll watch the final episode of Picard and then cancel Paramount pull-ups.
No need to sit through any more of this garbage.
Cephus
Master Member
It's because post-modernism and post-post-modernism are very depressing ideologies. There's no hope. It's a world of oppression and hatred and everyone is doing everything wrong... except for you.
Lightning
Master Member
You should at least watch the first episode of SNW since it comes out the same day.
bwayne64
Master Member
The Intellectually deficient can't engage with the intellectual audience. Especially if they don't believe they exist. They're hopeless. Wokeness destroys everything it touches. Luckily it always destroys the companies that promote it. It just takes too long for them to die !
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NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Finally! Someone who gets me!
ProfKSergeev
Sr Member
Extended promo/trailer here.
I don't give two sh*ts if they spin the camera, use contemporary lingo, or adopt the JJ Trek aesthetic. As long as the characters and stories are well written, I'm 100% onboard. This cast is charismatic as hell, and if we can trust all the talking points they've obediently regurgitated in interviews, this show will be a cut or more above Discovery (which is nothing more than televisual ipecac) and a return to classic ideals, both in storytelling and outlook.
That said, I am prepared to eat these words. But--please please please be good, Strange New Worlds.
I don't give two sh*ts if they spin the camera, use contemporary lingo, or adopt the JJ Trek aesthetic. As long as the characters and stories are well written, I'm 100% onboard. This cast is charismatic as hell, and if we can trust all the talking points they've obediently regurgitated in interviews, this show will be a cut or more above Discovery (which is nothing more than televisual ipecac) and a return to classic ideals, both in storytelling and outlook.
That said, I am prepared to eat these words. But--please please please be good, Strange New Worlds.
And now everything is post-post-post modern. Classic heroes and stories are torn down for idiotic reasons by writers who think and speak like children, and everything is dark and nihilistic. "Heroes" act like villains, and are smug, self-centered, and self-righteous. And the writers use empty, trendy buzzwords like "diversity and inclusion" and "groundbreaking" to try and trick audiences into thinking that they're producing something that's actually high-quality and culturally relevant, while also using the same old labels and buzzwords to denigrate their detractors.
No one who's been paying attention should have any hope for SNW. These people have used doubletalk and made empty promises for years. "This time, we're moving back toward the more optimistic feel of STAR TREK, with episodic stories". How many times have they said that, now? This is a classic case of Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown again and again and again.
Of course, they also said that Spock and the Enterprise would not be appearing in STD, and then quickly pulled that desperation card at the end of the first season. And then, because STD was SO bad, and because there was at least some positive reaction to their version of Pike, they developed this new show, which may end up overwriting TOS even more effectively than Abrams' films, because Paramount says that these shows are canon.
But they're not.
Because the character of Captain Christopher Pike(as portrayed by Jeff Hunter), Is one of my favorite characters from the Original Trek, I am cautiously optimistic about this series. I'll give it a chance and make my decision on it's merits AFTER I have actually viewed several episodes. If, after that, It's just a thinly veiled Discovery or Picard, I"ll be happy knowing that the original Episodes, Feature films and Animated series are still here, And not bother.
I like Anson Mount. Thought he was great on Hell on Wheels and next to Hunter, COULD be a great Pike If...
I like Anson Mount. Thought he was great on Hell on Wheels and next to Hunter, COULD be a great Pike If...
Lightning
Master Member
This is the first time.
Citation needed. I'm pretty sure they originally just said adult Spock wouldn't appear, and season 2 was the one where the show runners were fired and the entire second half of the season was rethought. So the people who made that statement were gone, and the new show runner is under no obligation to keep to that.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
Man, Paramount Pull Ups? Where do you guys come up with such hilarious things to call these networks?
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
I couldn’t sleep last night.
kalkamel
Master Member
"Intellectually deficient" perfectly describes these modern Trek writers. Otherwise how else would you explain making lithium ion an essential need for one of your characters, and yet still don't know the difference lithium ion car batteries from lead acid ones.
Lightning
Master Member
If you are going to criticize the show at least pay attention. The lithium ion battery was stabilizing metals so her body could handle nanoprobes. The car batteries contained raw (and imperfect) material to make (imperfect) nanoprobes. This is all treknobabble anyway, so try not to overthink it.
kalkamel
Master Member
Picard102
Sr Member
He always was. Did you miss "The Cage"?
This fanbase, not overthink something?
Insulting people's intellect isn't what I'd expect from someone who's a fan of Star Trek. You can dislike someone's work without belittling the person. Try to do better.
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I guess I wouldn’t consider what could best be described as momentary fatigue and job burnout, that appeared to be resolved in the singular episode that Jeffrey Hunter appeared in, as “the burden of long-standing trauma”. I also fail to see the false equivalency between that observation and the comment regarding New-Trek writing in general and their penchant for flawed characters whose history seems always to be colored by whatever “trauma” motivates their behavior.
Rather than attacking any observation made, or opinion held by any other member in this thread, I would be interested in hearing what the virtues are in the version of New-Trek.
If there is a quality to the storytelling and character development that I am somehow missing, I am all ears to hear about it.
I certainly hope SNW is a quality show…but I have my doubts, which to me, are well founded, unfortunately.
