Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
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Lightning
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I'm an eternal optimist when it comes to trek. Discovery season 1 and 2 were hurt by behind the scenes drama. Season 3 was better, but not yet great. Picard shows glimmers of promise, but has some issues. SNW is supposed to be classic Star Trek, as they have stated their goal is to have all the shows have very different feels, so as to not promote burnout. You just have to get past the aesthetic redesign, which, while more than I would have preferred, is worlds better than JJTrek.
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'till the morning light
He's gotta be sure, and it's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life
Who can save Star Trek????? I know of one HUGE fan that is quite powerful in Hollywood.
I'm holding out for a hero 'till the morning light
He's gotta be sure, and it's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life
Who can save Star Trek????? I know of one HUGE fan that is quite powerful in Hollywood.
Frankly, I want Rod Roddenberry to find a way to take it back, and then put Ira Behr in charge of production. Rod didn't "get" Star Trek when he was growing up -- it was always just the thing that kept his dad from being home. He actually rather resented it. At some point, about the time CBS/Viacom were pushing up their sleeves to start seriously screwing up Trek, he had an encounter with a fan. In the most general terms, he asked why the guy loved Star Trek so much, and the guy told him, and Rod's ghast was solidly flabbered. He made a documentary about his delve into finding out what Trek meant to the people who love it, why it's so important. I highly recommend watching it. Some of the other things he's done around and since that project... Well, I'll just say in closing that I trust him to do it right more than anyone else. Even me (I know and get Star Trek, but I'm not in "the biz" -- I'd likely get chewed up and spat out... I'd make a good story editor, but not a showrunner).
NakedMoleRat
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Not much to go off of, but looks great visually.
I liked this show better when it was called STAR TREK, was written by and for intelligent people instead of morons/hacks/ideologues/activists, and actually understood things like science, drama, and quality storytelling and characterization. To say nothing of actually respecting the characters, continuity, and history of this once-great franchise which has inspired and thrilled countless people for decades.
Oh, well. Looking forward to not watching this. Another franchise cannibalizing itself and strip-mining the past because those now in charge are completely incompetent and creatively bankrupt.
Every last sacred cow will be slaughtered. Get ready for Strong Whamen Uhura, a descendent of Khan chilling out on the Not-Enterprise, and maybe even a young James Kirk getting put in his place for his toxic masculinity. And, of course, endless Easter Egg references plucked straight from Memory Alpha in place of actual storytelling, and sequels/prequels/remakes of beloved episodes, which also serve to completely deconstruct them.
No, thanks.
Oh, well. Looking forward to not watching this. Another franchise cannibalizing itself and strip-mining the past because those now in charge are completely incompetent and creatively bankrupt.
Every last sacred cow will be slaughtered. Get ready for Strong Whamen Uhura, a descendent of Khan chilling out on the Not-Enterprise, and maybe even a young James Kirk getting put in his place for his toxic masculinity. And, of course, endless Easter Egg references plucked straight from Memory Alpha in place of actual storytelling, and sequels/prequels/remakes of beloved episodes, which also serve to completely deconstruct them.
No, thanks.
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
I did notice it looks like Pike has been brooding for a while and is going to have to be coaxed back into service.
The injured, jaded captain coming back into duty, begrudgingly, because the universe needs him.
But hey, everyone who boards the Enterprise has to bring some baggage.
The injured, jaded captain coming back into duty, begrudgingly, because the universe needs him.
But hey, everyone who boards the Enterprise has to bring some baggage.
Would you be more interested in the show if Pike has a “secret trauma” that has led him to ride his horse vs. to being captain of a starship and must be reluctantly pushed back into the center seat….like knowing he will spend his later years sealed inside a mobile crock pot and communicate via a single blinking light?
Remember, “trauma = drama” in Kurtzman Trek…we must all share our pain, and gain strength from the sharing…
Wait a minute…
Come to think of it…are we sure that Sybok is not the ghost writer for modern Trek?
The secret of the real STAR TREK was that, while the characters were still accessible to present-day audiences (rather than the writers attempting to extrapolate how humans of the future would "really" act and speak), they were still ASPIRATIONAL characters. The best of the best. Better than us. Professional, highly-trained, highly-competent, and with real integrity and morals.
As time has passed, later iterations have slid more and more into using modern-day slang (and colorful metaphors) and presenting us with morally-gray characters rather than presenting the characters with moral dilemmas to solve and triumph over. Fewer and fewer iconic and larger-than-life heroes, and more and more flawed and "realistic" ones. A creeping rot invading and corrupting something which was once bold and pure, as is inevitable with long-running, successful franchises.
Now, the characters and the franchise have become trapped in the muck and slime of present day sociology and politics. Characters who ARE us, instead of characters to aspire to be and to be inspired by. Starfleet apparently now consists of far less than the best of the best, as well as liars, cheaters, and murderers. And, beginning with Abrams' 2009 strip-mining of TOS (and proceeding into the current iterations), Captains who did not work and study hard to earn their rank, and are praised merely for being them rather than for the merits of their deeds. The concept of chain of command has become a joke, the Prime Directive is an afterthought, and everyone in the future is apparently "baseline bisexual". A grim and nihilistic future filled with immature, whiny, morally-dubious people. Literally the opposite of everything STAR TREK once stood for. A parody. A bad joke. Something you might find in old, bad fanfic, if anywhere.
The real STAR TREK's producers never used the show to beat audiences over the head with partisan politics, and they never said, "if you vote one particular way, don't watch our show". The real STAR TREK's vision of the future was an ideal to strive for, rather than something to be looked at, analyzed too closely and praised as some kind of Socialist utopia. It stayed above having too close an association with that muck and slime of the present-day, and merely stated--politely, subtly, and inspirationally--that humanity would grow up and get its act together. The nuts and bolts of how the future worked were less important than that simple, powerful message which anyone, anywhere could take to heart.
Based on the evidence of the current shows, it looks a heck of a lot like a serious backslide from where things stood in 1966. And it's so deeply sad.
So, yes, please, Kurtzman and Co., completely overwrite TOS with your garbage remake and your retcons galore. In the end, it means nothing. You can distort, deface, and demean that show and those characters, but you can never kill TOS or what it stands for. It will live forever, while this STAR DRECK will quickly fade into the mists of history. Because history always--always--balances the scales.
NakedMoleRat
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Hey, man (and forgive me if I’ve mis-identified you). Don’t Woke me up!
I other words. 100% agree.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
I’ll watch it.
You just described everything they slapped the label on since 2009.
Is it not the height of bitter irony that Roddenberry and company had to scrape by with limited money and resources and really make the most of everything they had, while these clowns have unlimited budgets and resources that the original production staff would have killed for? Setting aside the fact that creativity thrives on restrictions (and that TOS continues to live on the basis of great stories and characters), imagine what such talented writers and producers could have done with those resources. Imagine Matt Jefferies’ ship and location designs fully realized with amazing CG effects and so on.
Yet, today, those resources are wasted on awful scripts and brain-dead characters. What a crime.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
I’ll watch it.
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There's only one thing I needed to know about this series, it's a Kurtzman show. Hard pass.
Lightning
Master Member
This show is Akiva Goldsman's baby. Kurtzman's not doing creative decisions on individual shows at this point.
bwayne64
Master Member
The problem with Nu-Trek, Nu Galactica, Nu Star Wars, ect is this, IMHO. You have people who claim to be fans of a property come in to produce, direct and otherwise oversee a Nu version of said property. They turn out to not be fans at all but to be activists, subversives, and saboteurs. They hate the original fans at worst or have no concern for their desires at best. They see the property as either a vehicle to promote their political and social views above story and canonical loyalty or as a cash grab, or both. The characters back stories and motivations are irrelevant. Actually any coherent story is irrelevant as long as I can preach to the audience for 2 to 3 hours. And what they're preaching is not what most fans want to hear. We want a good story and want true respect paid to the characters and worlds that we loved and supported for decades.
When that doesn't happen we of course are disappointed and angry. It's a natural human response. But they say it's because we're racists, sexists, or some other 'ist. And that of course makes us more angry, and it solidifies our belief that these people are truly incompetent and ideologically driven. So sorry for the rant. I know I'll be called a gatekeeper or some new term I'm too lazy to figure out. And if you like Nu Coke, I won't try to convince you otherwise. Drink all you want. Drink till you have diabetes. Enjoy !
When that doesn't happen we of course are disappointed and angry. It's a natural human response. But they say it's because we're racists, sexists, or some other 'ist. And that of course makes us more angry, and it solidifies our belief that these people are truly incompetent and ideologically driven. So sorry for the rant. I know I'll be called a gatekeeper or some new term I'm too lazy to figure out. And if you like Nu Coke, I won't try to convince you otherwise. Drink all you want. Drink till you have diabetes. Enjoy !
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Goldsman isnt much better and SNW has Kurtzman's style all over it. Strange New Worlds is in the same vein as Disco and is essentially now a reboot of a reboot.
Regardless it's all the same people churning out what I feel is terrible TV that has the words Star Trek slapped above the title. I made the mistake of trusting the JJ Nu Trek with the 2009 film which was dumbed down drivel, one episode of Discovery and one episode of Picard. I'm tired of the disappointment and the ineptitude of Kurtzman and co. For me Star Trek is dead, it died when the Berman era ended. If people are enjoying Disco or Picard, that's great I'm not knocking them or any fans, we like what we like. We're also free to say what we don't like.
LLAP.
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