Cephus
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Same here. Trek ended as a series in 1969 and as movies in 1991, just like Star Wars ended in 1983. Nothing that is being made today qualifies.
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NakedMoleRat
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Not to mention they also exist 100 years apart from each other.oh jeebus h blankety blank.
They're going to do a Roger Rabbit, aren't they?
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Cephus
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You don't think they care, do you?
Y'know, a convenient defense is that, "Well Paramount/CBS says it's canon!". Personally, I've come to the realization that "head canon"--or more precisely, what one personally enjoys--is really all that matters. And, as I've noted elsewhere, I'll accept STAR WARS up to 2005, because that was when the original creator was finally done with it, like the prequels or not. And there are even purists who reject everything after the original film, which is also a valid stance to take, considering all of the retcons that began with THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.
Roddenberry also made missteps, post-TOS, of course, but I would never say that TNG doesn't count just because I disagree with parts of it. Although, at the end of the day, it's the primary source material which matters.
So, yes, I can cut off the franchise in my head, after a certain point, and just enjoy the old stuff. But it's the pain of watching the legacy and good name of STAR TREK get dragged down through the mud and incinerated that really rankles.
To say nothing of no longer being able to skim Memory Alpha articles without cringing at all of the nonsense infecting it.
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Picard102
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That sounds dangerously close to feelings over facts.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Touché.
Yes; "head cannon" is based not simply on emotions, but on facts and events that define the limtis of what one accepts as factual in a franchise. For me, they are a limit after which anything else that contravenes is is simply disregarded (in my case, the 1986 Transformers movie isn't part of my head canon, but the soundtrack I still like!).
TNG has its' missteps, but it also has its' place as well. Just not "Jurati-Borg-Queen"!
Memory Alpha...still mourning over the scrap-heap that became nowadays.
I have something that should cheer all of you up. With all of the ignoring of cannon that nu-trek has done since 2009 we should consider ourselves lucky with the James Kirk we got in the season finale of SNW. Just imagine, we could have gotton Jamie T Kirk, Sam's younger sister,
Dude, TF:TM rocked my boat, back in 1986. A scarring experience, and yet I still love it, as well as much of the third season. You want to talk “subverting expectations” (and, “let’s kill everyone so we can sell new toys”), then there ya go.
To this day, I’m convinced that the TRANSFORMERS franchise would not have had such longevity without that huge line being drawn in a sand. Sometimes a legend needs a definitive and unforgettable ending to make it immortal. YMMV.
Of course, Optimus Prime also got the kind of epic, heroic death that James T. Kirk was cheated out of. In the case of the latter, I would have preferred the pre-GENERATIONS approach of never mentioning or seeing what became of Kirk, and letting fans speculate.
Don't be too fast on that.
And as I'm sure you're aware, they tried pulling the same stunt by killing off Duke in the G.I. Joe movie. The backlash from killing off Optimus forced them to rethink that decision and thanks to some obviously added after-the-fact dialogue, Duke ended up in a coma instead lol.
By a venomous snake no less.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Been there, done that.
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Yes, we could have had Ben Finney's daughter quite literally being named after Kirk.
NakedMoleRat
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Except, you know, “Jamie Finney”
And now it’s time for another installment of Adventures on Memory Alpo (credit to pengbuzz for the nickname).
From the “Khan Noonien Singh” page:
This coming from what was once a scholarly fan-wiki, which had previously been free of the snark pervading so many other fan-wikis. Of course, the problem now is that the IP being written about has become filled with pervasive snark and idiocy.
And, of course, because the NuTREK writers only know “The Cage”, the Borg, and THE WRATH OF KHAN, NuTREK is full of references to both Khan and his “descendants”. I’m still waiting for an explanation on that last part. Was SNW’s Ensign Augment descended from Khan and an Augment (a retronym I hate, by the way) princess who was retconned into TREK history, a la Sybok?
Oh, wait, they’re gonna be doing Sybok, too. Oh, please let him be revealed as a relative of both Khan AND Spock. Maybe Amanda is also a descendant of Khan, which would tie everything together. And that’s why Spock has super-strength, not because of Vulcan’s gravity.
From the “Khan Noonien Singh” page:
This coming from what was once a scholarly fan-wiki, which had previously been free of the snark pervading so many other fan-wikis. Of course, the problem now is that the IP being written about has become filled with pervasive snark and idiocy.
And, of course, because the NuTREK writers only know “The Cage”, the Borg, and THE WRATH OF KHAN, NuTREK is full of references to both Khan and his “descendants”. I’m still waiting for an explanation on that last part. Was SNW’s Ensign Augment descended from Khan and an Augment (a retronym I hate, by the way) princess who was retconned into TREK history, a la Sybok?
Oh, wait, they’re gonna be doing Sybok, too. Oh, please let him be revealed as a relative of both Khan AND Spock. Maybe Amanda is also a descendant of Khan, which would tie everything together. And that’s why Spock has super-strength, not because of Vulcan’s gravity.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
I think we’ll find in season two that Pike is the grandfather of ensign Boymler.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Sadly, Nu-Trek exists. It’s here. It’s real. It’s not going away.
But, like your idiot cousin at the family reunion, you can ignore it, eh!
But, like your idiot cousin at the family reunion, you can ignore it, eh!
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kalkamel
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Star Trek: Melissa Navia to William Shatner: Do You Even Watch, Bro?
In response to his throwing shade at newer "Star Trek" series, "Strange New Worlds" star Melissa Navia had a question for Wiliam Shatner.
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At 91, he's got better things to do than watch mediocre TV.
