Star Trek Beyond

[tgreco]

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Use of force in response to "terrorism" vs police action (apprehension and trial).

You don't see how this could possibly relate to current political events? As in, the debate in this country about the use of armed drones.

I'm not arguing that the film's treatment of this message was well executed, but it's clearly there. Kirk and Spock debate it!

I wouldn't call it a treatment, more of a glossing over and so unexplored as to be mostly irrelevant. It was more a plot point than the theme of the film. They had to give Admiral Robocop a one line motivation that they could sling at the audience to explain why he was the bad guy.

If what I've read of the behind the scenes rumors are true, I hope Paramount takes Bad Robot out of the picture completely, so that fans can give Robert Orci an echo of his own sentiment:
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/09/bob-orci-blows-up-at-star-trek-fans-for-not-adoring-into-darkness

How about we skip this, and go straight to a DS9 Movie, picking up with the return of Sisko... or better yet, how about they release DS9 on Blu

 

[SmilingOtter]

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I'm not mad at them for wanting to time travel back to try to save Vulcan - I'm just surprised Spock Prime didn't make that his Plan A. They demonstrated in TOS that they would go back just to do research, Spock showed in ST4 that he could do the calculations in his head using a beat up Klingon scout ship. And Vulcan's destruction was a direct result of Nero's time traveling. There was really no reason NOT to save Vulcan.

 

[Apollo]

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The blu has more of a chance of happening, the last time I talked with Avery 3 years ago he still said he would NEVER reprise that role.

How about we skip this, and go straight to a DS9 Movie, picking up with the return of Sisko... or better yet, how about they release DS9 on Blu

 

[ghostryder]

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http://screenrant.com/star-trek-3-why-reason-roberti-orci-not-directing/

 

[Jeyl]

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Orci is on trekmovie.com again and denying that there was ever a time travel story. As expected, he couldn't be more enthusiastic about being a part of the upcoming movie. I love this conversation.

OneBuckFilm: You seem to have forgotten Kirk’s advice to Picard: “Don’t let them do ANYTHING to take you out of that chairs. Because while you’re there, you can make a difference.”
boborci: Have not forgotten. On the contrary, factored into decision. Their are bigger chairs to consider​

Now that is funny! Roberto Orci cites Star Trek Generations as an inspiring factor in his career. Too bad that line had no relevance to either Kirk or Picard's character in said movie.

 

[tgreco]

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Can we just get the Captain Worf TV show on Netflix for the 50th and leave the reboot behind?

Life aboard a Klingon ship with no Network Censors. I'd be there in a heartbeat.

 

[Vivek]

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Fans Campaigning For Jonathan Frakes To Direct Star Trek 3 | Comicbook.com

Of course he directed the best TNG film First Contact (1996), followed by Insurrection (1998), Clockstoppers (2002) and Thunderbirds (2004) (which was panned heavily).

He hasn't directed a movie in 10 years. But has directed plenty of TV shows.

 

[Zombie_61]

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Fans Campaigning For Jonathan Frakes To Direct Star Trek 3 | Comicbook.com

Of course he directed the best TNG film First Contact (1996), followed by Insurrection (1998), Clockstoppers (2002) and Thunderbirds (2004) (which was panned heavily).

He hasn't directed a movie in 10 years. But has directed plenty of TV shows.

I'm convinced Frakes knew Thunderbirds wasn't a good movie before it was even finished--in one of the DVD extras he makes a comment to the effect of, "I gave the studio the movie they wanted," with a big "It's not my fault" grin on his face.

 

[Father]

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First Contact was without a doubt the best TNG movie and probably ranks pretty high overall for Trek films.
It would be interested to see what he could do with the new crew. But I like JJ's style despite the lens flare.

 

[glunark]

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But was first contact successful because of Frake's directing, or in spite of that?

 

[Apollo]

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A director needs a good script to work with.

A good director can sometimes turn a slightly bad script into something different but as the old saying goes, "If it aint on the page, It aint on the stage"

 

[Andy3E]

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Go get Nick Meyer, we'll wait

 

[sapper36]

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After watching the extras on Edge of Tomorrow - I Vote for Doug Liman to Direct & Tom Cruise to do something!

 

[Riceball]

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Anybody know how far along ST 3 is? I'm hoping that it's not so far along that with Orci stepping down as director we can also get Lindeloff (assuming he's on the writing team) to step down as well, that way we at least have a reasonable chance at a decent movie.

 

[Vivek]

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Lindelof was never part of the third movie to begin with.

 

[Jeyl]

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But was first contact successful because of Frake's directing, or in spite of that?

Let's see. Jonathan Frakes has directed multiple episodes of Star Trek spanning three different series, has great relationships with the cast, crew, producers and even the writers. Now compare that to say… Stuart Baird. This is a man who directed a Star Trek film because the studio threw him a bone, only directed two films prior and didn't give a crap about Star Trek or how to properly pronounce the actors names right. One directed a Star Trek film that was both a critical and box office success, while the other's a critical and box office failure that was so felt within the studio it demanded a reboot.

No. I do not think Star Trek: First Contact succeeded in spite on Jonathan Frakes. Now if you're going to bring up Insurrection, I have two words. Fade in.

 

[kegas76]

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Let's see. Jonathan Frakes has directed multiple episodes of Star Trek spanning three different series, has great relationships with the cast, crew, producers and even the writers. ...

In that case not let's forget LeVar Burton. He's directed in four different Star Trek series and has even directed John Cho before!

 

[glunark]

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Fade in?

 

[Jeyl]

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In that case not let's forget LeVar Burton. He's directed in four different Star Trek series and has even directed John Cho before!

I didn't forget LeVar Burton. Everyone involved in the decision making of Star Trek did. And it's not just the four different Star Trek series. He's a multi-award winning producer, writer and director. Stuart Baird has been nominated ONCE in the field of editing and Roberto Orci actually won a Razzie Award for his writing. Yet Paramount has been more than willing to give the reigns of Star Trek over to these two dopes.

Fade in?

Fade in: From Idea to Final Draft
The Writing of Star Trek: Insurrection

It's a good read and it explains a lot about not only the troubles writers had working on Star Trek, but also how the success of First Contact played a part in Trek's overall downfall.

 

[ghostryder]

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Fade in: From Idea to Final Draft
The Writing of Star Trek: Insurrection

It's a good read and it explains a lot about not only the troubles writers had working on Star Trek, but also how the success of First Contact played a part in Trek's overall downfall.

I'm with Jeyl on this one - one of the best, honest and real reads about the making of a Star Trek film. Read and it and you'll see why it was never published.