Star Trek Beyond (Post-release)
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Victor3
Sr Member
I just saw this last night.
Overall, I liked it pretty well. While I'm getting tired of the Beastie Boys/ Trek overlap, I do think that they justified it pretty well with plausible technobabble.
The surfing shot was a bit much, though.
Aside from many of the points already made, two things stick out for me:
How many of the Enterprise crew were killed? There were many survivors from the crash. The Enterprise is MUCH bigger than the Franklin and they could only beam 20 at a time. Did they lose a ton of people, or were they crammed into the franklin like sardines?
I wish they would have skipped the time-lapse construction shot. It didn't seem to fit. I think it would have been more emotional to just see it under construction, then save the reveal for the next movie. Plus, that would give them more time to refine the design...
Overall, I liked it pretty well. While I'm getting tired of the Beastie Boys/ Trek overlap, I do think that they justified it pretty well with plausible technobabble.
The surfing shot was a bit much, though.
Aside from many of the points already made, two things stick out for me:
How many of the Enterprise crew were killed? There were many survivors from the crash. The Enterprise is MUCH bigger than the Franklin and they could only beam 20 at a time. Did they lose a ton of people, or were they crammed into the franklin like sardines?
I wish they would have skipped the time-lapse construction shot. It didn't seem to fit. I think it would have been more emotional to just see it under construction, then save the reveal for the next movie. Plus, that would give them more time to refine the design...
KrangPrime
Master Member
emotion? they don't care about emotion. they don't care about creativness.. thy don't care about trek.
just splosions, fast moving objects, and pushing things forward to get to the next one ;o)..
plus, saving it to the next one, that you might not get, is to slow a pace for today's millenial world. scenes don't get time to breath.
it's all push push push into the next one and then push push push again.
just splosions, fast moving objects, and pushing things forward to get to the next one ;o)..
plus, saving it to the next one, that you might not get, is to slow a pace for today's millenial world. scenes don't get time to breath.
it's all push push push into the next one and then push push push again.
jettajeffro
Active Member
Yeah I would have loved to see them recreate the dry dock launching from TMP or WOK again with the new ship at the beginning of the next film, to really show you the differences. I feel like in all 3 films so far the only time you get close ups of the ship is during a wonky dutch angle.
Fenris
Well-Known Member
I actually liked the movie better than the last two films.
I guess I liked it because I wasn't expecting anything good about it at all before seeing it. I was really afraid it would suck because it might be too action-oriented as it was Justin Lin who was directing. I came to the theatre expecting the movie to be total crap, but was surprised by how much I liked it.
It still didn't capture the old Trek formula we are all used to, but at least it was slowly trying.
I liked Spock and McCoy's banter. I liked the throwback to the last series, Enterprise. The villain's motivation came in too late, but it was a nice reveal.
There are a lot of plot holes, yes, but they're easy enough to ignore. Well, for me anyway.
I guess I liked it because I wasn't expecting anything good about it at all before seeing it. I was really afraid it would suck because it might be too action-oriented as it was Justin Lin who was directing. I came to the theatre expecting the movie to be total crap, but was surprised by how much I liked it.
It still didn't capture the old Trek formula we are all used to, but at least it was slowly trying.
I liked Spock and McCoy's banter. I liked the throwback to the last series, Enterprise. The villain's motivation came in too late, but it was a nice reveal.
There are a lot of plot holes, yes, but they're easy enough to ignore. Well, for me anyway.
Fenris
Well-Known Member
Dunno if this has been answered, but here goes...
I guess a starship traveling inside Yorktown had to just use thrusters to be able to maneuver without crashing into everything. Impulse is too fast, I think. It's probably like using a Formula 1 car on a go-cart track. You'd simply hit the walls.
Reading through the thread I think I'm in a minority here. Most are saying you were pleasantly surprised...for me it was worse than I could have imagined.
I'm not even sure where to begin. I'll start with positives:
I actually still like the cast mostly...although I no longer like NuSpock. Might not be his fault...could be the script, but Emo Spock doesn't really work. Overall, still a decent cast.
Loved the special effects, loved the new warp look. LOVED how cool the starbase looked.
negatives (You should stop reading if you liked it. This is criticism and it'll just annoy you. Move along).
I'll start with: Star Trek was once the bastion of Science fiction emphasis on science...back in the day they consulted with physicists and NASA...now...Marvel comics are probably more grounded.
But a bigger problem: there was almost no fun. We got a couple one liners from Bones and Spock, or one here and there from Scotty, but it was always a line or two surrounded by ages of 'Oh God everything sucks!" One of the funniest lines was spoiled by the trailer (That's just typical) and even that one was bookended with I broke up with my girl friend, I'm leaving Starfleet, I have a responsibility to my species, and weirdly, for a Vulcan, I wear my emotions on my sleeve more than ANY of the humans in Starfleet..now a funny line!...and it's over...we're surrounded, they have everyone, the ship is gone...doom...gloom...
No laughs, and the only character growth was the eternally stale "I'm sad and gonna leave...action happened! Now I'm happy and gonna stay!" which TWO leads went through over the course of the move...and BTW was also spoiled by the trailer.
Lots of car(ship) chases including through long hamster tunnel that is possibly among the most nonsensical things ever built. Although I DID get a chuckle that...even within the ridiculous tunnel that will need to be rebuilt when starships get bigger...once parked, they still had to resort to the elegantly simple solution of "A tube that connects to the ships door" which is actually all you really needed in the first place. (Although to be fair, even in previous incarnations Starfleet doesn't really learn that lesson until they inherit a station from Cardasians and finally realize "Oh...we really didn't need to build that huge totally unnecessary thing..just a simple dock will work.")
And of course we got reminded that rank in the nutrek universe is as clearly defined as Calvinball...when the Commodore offered to promote the Captain to Vice Admiral (so it's Cadet - Captain - Three Star Admiral - One Star Admiral ....and other ranks exist in case you're not plucky enough to go strait to Captain just yet)
And the villain...by the time we found out what his motivation was I didn't really care anymore, but even if I had...it didn't make any sense. No one rescued him, and also Starfleet didn't have enough struggle...first of all: no one knew he was there, which is silly since apparently he was able to tap into federation communications. Second...Starfleets practically done nothing but struggle...we had a whole series about the first part of it, and the second part, beginning with the loss of a ship so crucial that now everything is named after it, ended up with Vulcan being destroyed...then Khan came back and attacked Earth.
Also...kind of a big lucky coincidence that small lost piece that no one else recognizes but has been lost somewhere in the Galaxy for a century ends up on the Enterprise, having been passed on by two alien cultures (one offering it for peace, one rejecting it) JUST as it ends up at the nearest starbase RIGHT when he has access to a ship and a hostage to send to lure it into the nebula, AND is the only viable ship that base will send at that time.
That's a bit like planning a kidnap by hoping that your mark wins the lottery, buys a limo, drinks too much champagne riding around in it, wants McDonalds to soak the booze, so you start building a trap for him at the McDonalds drive through. Kind of a weird amount of bizarre things have to happen in just the right way for this plan to ever really work out right?
In the end, I really liked the time lapse and was glad they included it. It was a VERY cool shot and I liked seeing it now, since there's no longer any chance of me watching another film set in this dumpster fire of a universe.
I'm not even sure where to begin. I'll start with positives:
I actually still like the cast mostly...although I no longer like NuSpock. Might not be his fault...could be the script, but Emo Spock doesn't really work. Overall, still a decent cast.
Loved the special effects, loved the new warp look. LOVED how cool the starbase looked.
negatives (You should stop reading if you liked it. This is criticism and it'll just annoy you. Move along).
I'll start with: Star Trek was once the bastion of Science fiction emphasis on science...back in the day they consulted with physicists and NASA...now...Marvel comics are probably more grounded.
But a bigger problem: there was almost no fun. We got a couple one liners from Bones and Spock, or one here and there from Scotty, but it was always a line or two surrounded by ages of 'Oh God everything sucks!" One of the funniest lines was spoiled by the trailer (That's just typical) and even that one was bookended with I broke up with my girl friend, I'm leaving Starfleet, I have a responsibility to my species, and weirdly, for a Vulcan, I wear my emotions on my sleeve more than ANY of the humans in Starfleet..now a funny line!...and it's over...we're surrounded, they have everyone, the ship is gone...doom...gloom...
No laughs, and the only character growth was the eternally stale "I'm sad and gonna leave...action happened! Now I'm happy and gonna stay!" which TWO leads went through over the course of the move...and BTW was also spoiled by the trailer.
Lots of car(ship) chases including through long hamster tunnel that is possibly among the most nonsensical things ever built. Although I DID get a chuckle that...even within the ridiculous tunnel that will need to be rebuilt when starships get bigger...once parked, they still had to resort to the elegantly simple solution of "A tube that connects to the ships door" which is actually all you really needed in the first place. (Although to be fair, even in previous incarnations Starfleet doesn't really learn that lesson until they inherit a station from Cardasians and finally realize "Oh...we really didn't need to build that huge totally unnecessary thing..just a simple dock will work.")
And of course we got reminded that rank in the nutrek universe is as clearly defined as Calvinball...when the Commodore offered to promote the Captain to Vice Admiral (so it's Cadet - Captain - Three Star Admiral - One Star Admiral ....and other ranks exist in case you're not plucky enough to go strait to Captain just yet)
And the villain...by the time we found out what his motivation was I didn't really care anymore, but even if I had...it didn't make any sense. No one rescued him, and also Starfleet didn't have enough struggle...first of all: no one knew he was there, which is silly since apparently he was able to tap into federation communications. Second...Starfleets practically done nothing but struggle...we had a whole series about the first part of it, and the second part, beginning with the loss of a ship so crucial that now everything is named after it, ended up with Vulcan being destroyed...then Khan came back and attacked Earth.
Also...kind of a big lucky coincidence that small lost piece that no one else recognizes but has been lost somewhere in the Galaxy for a century ends up on the Enterprise, having been passed on by two alien cultures (one offering it for peace, one rejecting it) JUST as it ends up at the nearest starbase RIGHT when he has access to a ship and a hostage to send to lure it into the nebula, AND is the only viable ship that base will send at that time.
That's a bit like planning a kidnap by hoping that your mark wins the lottery, buys a limo, drinks too much champagne riding around in it, wants McDonalds to soak the booze, so you start building a trap for him at the McDonalds drive through. Kind of a weird amount of bizarre things have to happen in just the right way for this plan to ever really work out right?
In the end, I really liked the time lapse and was glad they included it. It was a VERY cool shot and I liked seeing it now, since there's no longer any chance of me watching another film set in this dumpster fire of a universe.
tgreco
Sr Member
I'll just leave this here
http://www.inquisitr.com/3409505/its-official-star-trek-beyond-is-a-box-office-flop/
http://www.inquisitr.com/3409505/its-official-star-trek-beyond-is-a-box-office-flop/
KrangPrime
Master Member
you're thinking too much.
there seems to be a concerted effort out there to dumb people down left and right, so people don't have to put as much thought and care into things as they other wise would have with a more critical audience.
and when you do dare to go against the curve and not like something, or thoughtfully say why you don't like something...god help you, cause the 'nice' people will attack you till they die ;o).
There was a statement by chris pine recently saying 'classic trek wouldn't work today, because all people want are explosions...'http://www.inquisitr.com/3217249/star-trek-beyond-actor-chris-pine-just-destroyed-trekkies-hopes-for-new-film-with-one-comment/
So, he's basically saying audiences don't want smart intelligent stuff.
yet, nu trek dropped 60% in it's first week....and most theaters either don't have it, or dropped it to two showings already. far faster than feigbusters. that should tell you something.
It's unfortunate that the film had a LOT going against it before it even opened. The Axanar lawsuit has turned Star Trek into a bitter fighting match, the summer was so overstuffed with big budgeted movies, the teaser trailer was panned by everyone including those involved with the production, the film went over budget by a fair margin, there was no overseas draw like INTO DARKNESS had (Ricardo Mont- Er, Benedict Cumberbatch. Got them confused for a second.), and it still involves people who were more than willing to go to Star Trek fan sites to openly berate the fans over their opinions.
Star Trek's 50th Anniversary is starting to look like one of it's worst years.
Star Trek's 50th Anniversary is starting to look like one of it's worst years.
tessellated
New Member
I don't know how a movie can 'flop' if it hasn't even been out a month, nor seen its full release schedule. Ghostbusters may end up costing the studio money, but that's because they're tacking on the massive marketing budget that came with it. Without having access to what that marketing budget is for Beyond, there isn't much you can say about its profitability. I mean, they're not even including domestic video sales. Star Trek (2009) took in almost $200 million in domestic video sales alone.
People will read what they want to read and flop talk gets the advertising revenue, but mathematically, flop status is undefined.
People will read what they want to read and flop talk gets the advertising revenue, but mathematically, flop status is undefined.
Yeah cerebral Star Trek won't work.
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kristen jones
Master Member
yes... and people picked the science in that apart, too... as wonderful as it was.
there is quite literally no pleasing everyone... or even a majority, it seems.
there is quite literally no pleasing everyone... or even a majority, it seems.
Mola Rob
Sr Member
That just can't be right, people only like movies with lots of 'splosions, Chris Pine said it so it must be true.
firesprite
Master Member
I'd just like to illustrate the depths of how asinine that statement from Pine is.
Here we have the Box Office Mojo numbers for the most recent Star Trek films:
And HERE, we have the Box Office Mojo numbers for two of the more cerebral sci-fi flicks put out recently, Interstellar and Gravity:
Chris Pine needs to STFU.
Here we have the Box Office Mojo numbers for the most recent Star Trek films:
And HERE, we have the Box Office Mojo numbers for two of the more cerebral sci-fi flicks put out recently, Interstellar and Gravity:
Chris Pine needs to STFU.
I still need to see Gravity. I've heard only good things about it.
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