Star Trek Beyond (Post-release)
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firesprite
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KrangPrime
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I'm not very bright, but even I think that's not right.
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It's not, right? ;o)
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you know, as much as I HATE to give braga and berman credit.....considering their staleness and the networks staleness was part of classic treks slow decline...
that's because they have no one left from the old guard to make sure it STAYS like star trek.
All we get is fast and furious in space with no soul...
KrangPrime
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what a silly statement. of course you can. especially since you have the other two to judge it off of.
and since i saw it, i say it doesn't have much soul
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trying to regain what soul the franchise had and actually having it, or two entirely different things.
and since i saw it, i say it doesn't have much soul
.trying to regain what soul the franchise had and actually having it, or two entirely different things.
Riceball
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Personally, I wouldn't read too much into that statement, no matter how he might truly feel about things he's never going to do anything but toe the company line so long as he's part of the franchise. It's nothing new, actors always say positive things about their projects because the studio expects and pays them to, if they did otherwise they might find good roles few and far between all of a sudden. A good example of this were the TOS movies, how many times did we hear the secondary cast give nothing but praise about/to Shatner, how much they loved working, how wonderful a person he was, and in Trek V how great a director he was? But once they were done with Trek and they started working on their memoirs and doing interviews not specifically Trek related we hear all about Shatner's ego, line counting, and how much they hated working with him. Same thing here, as long as Pine is playing Kirk we're never going to hear a bad thing about the new Trek movies and even when he eventually leaves the franchise it probably will still be a while before we hear anything negative.
kristen jones
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what a silly statement. of course you can. especially since you have the other two to judge it off of.
and since i saw it, i say it doesn't have much soul
trying to regain what soul the franchise had and actually having it, or two entirely different things.
Hmmmm.... isn't that a bit like me saying:
"Yeah... after the last two guys, i'm just not giving guys a chance anymore. After all, I have the last to to judge from...so that guarantees the next one I meet will be just as bad as them."
Incidentally, if I adopted that mode of thinking i would be both single and a lesbian, would not have given my Husband a chance and would not be the happy wife that i am today.
In other words, don't make the mistake of thinking that past experiences are reliable to predict future developments.
Although in you'r case you've said that you've seen it... so that just proves Glunark's statement.
No. It's nothing at all like you saying that.
That would be if he decided that he didn't like movies at all anymore because those two were terrible. A closer analogy might be to not go out with the SAME guy a third time after two bad dates.
firesprite
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Look, I get that he has a vested interest in trying to defend these movies, but there are FAR better ways he could have done that by claiming that audiences won't turn out for a moderately more intelligently written movie with a few less explosions.
KrangPrime
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i'm still trying to digest the message Pine claims beyond had.
I found it kind of hard to follow the main bad guys plot.. let alone any message the film might have.
closest I got was that he was left alone to die on a planet, and if it wasn't for that life giving technology, he would have died all alone...with his crew.
and this makes him mad at the federation, who apparently didn't have many deep space vessles at the time his was launched, for what reason? other than the fact that he was clearly driven mad by this point.
I've already pretty much forgotten this mess..
I found it kind of hard to follow the main bad guys plot.. let alone any message the film might have.
closest I got was that he was left alone to die on a planet, and if it wasn't for that life giving technology, he would have died all alone...with his crew.
and this makes him mad at the federation, who apparently didn't have many deep space vessles at the time his was launched, for what reason? other than the fact that he was clearly driven mad by this point.
I've already pretty much forgotten this mess..
tessellated
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He was mad because he felt like the Federation abandoned him. I would speculate they didn't really understand just how far away that wormhole took them. He was mad that he was put out to pasture by being made captain and forced to break bread with the enemy after millions of lives had been lost. All of those things were addressed in the film practically verbatim. He's like those people who want another 9/11 because they believe it will bring everyone together and the US is always at it's best when fighting an enemy.
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kristen jones
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Couple things...
1. we were specifically taking about not seeing the movie,, and instead judging it by how one felt about the last two alone.
2. That would not in fact be a closer analogy, because--like my guy example--no two movies are identical. If i went out with literally the same guy twice before with bad experiences and expected a different result the third time then you would have a point. But that is not what we are talking about here.
Do try to keep up. :rolleyes
kristen jones
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It's as we've been saying all along: if you see it first, then you are free to love or denounce it. If you don't, you really can't speak to it's quality or your feelings toward it because you have no first hand knowledge.
In the case of @NeilT, he did say that he had seen it... so therefore he is qualified on that basis to render his opinion on the film. :thumbsup
In the case of @NeilT, he did say that he had seen it... so therefore he is qualified on that basis to render his opinion on the film. :thumbsup
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My only quibble was why they made a MACO officer a starship Captain. I'd imagine they're utterly different psych profiles, and I just can't believe there were that few suitable candidates for the few positions available at that time.
--Jonah
--Jonah
glunark
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Last year for example I sat through almost an entire season of Doctor Who without enjoying a single episode until the last two of the year, if I could give a series a chance after that many bad episodes, and still recognise that not everyone will be the same, people can give this film a chance, especially when so many seem to be blaming JJ when he didn't even direct this one.
KrangPrime
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they even bring that up in Enterprise. the Admiral asks archer 'Are you OK with Military people on board?;
This film needs China to make it's bacon.
What's Behind China's First Scary Box-Office Slump
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/whats-behind-chinas-first-scary-920108
The Chinese box office is suffering its first big ticket-buying slump since the Mainland market exploded five years ago — and Hollywood is trying to figure out whether to be alarmed.
What's Behind China's First Scary Box-Office Slump
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/whats-behind-chinas-first-scary-920108
The Chinese box office is suffering its first big ticket-buying slump since the Mainland market exploded five years ago — and Hollywood is trying to figure out whether to be alarmed.
KrangPrime
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Good.
enough movies have been pandered and ruined thanks to china.
The characters in ID2...one apparently a pop star, no less..
No ninja Arts and Japanese culture in a movie called ninja Turtles is another example.
Having China fund a star trek movie is just sad.
Let's add jingoism to the list of ill conceived opinions expressed by some members along with a healthy dusting of xenophobia. If anyone cares to come up with a cogent argument why it is problematic for other countries to fund film projects please feel free to post. China has become the second largest box office film market in the world. Fir those of you that find themselves challenged by the notion of entertainment product incorporating elenents that will appeal to that market are in for a painful ride.
And it's not without a sense of irony that kind of limited thinking is exactly what Trek is NOT about.
And it's not without a sense of irony that kind of limited thinking is exactly what Trek is NOT about.
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