Star Trek Beyond (Post-release)

[Jeyl]

Of all the films that have been heavily influenced by the chinese, Star Trek Beyond is definitely the best case scenario. Simplest reason being that there's no blatant Chinese pandering going on. When you look at films like Transformers 4, Independence Day 2 and even the Chinese Cut of Iron Man III, it paints a pretty clear picture. Those are areas I found problematic not because china or asian actors have a role in the film, but because their roles were added solely by mandate. Iron Man 3 is a staple example of this because the footage they shot for the Chinese audience were never going to be featured in any other cut of the film. And the irony (Sorry) of it all is that when the film came out in China, the Chinese audience were not impressed with the additional scenes at all.

Star Trek Beyond feels more like the Chinese studio just wanted to see another Star Trek film and chipped in. And given that the film had plenty of opportunities to pander to the Chinese audience with the reshoots, they didn't. And besides, the film was too busy pandering to JJ Abrams and that can be even more annoying.

 

[CessnaDriver]

The problem with China is Hollywood will self censor to appease Chinese censorship.
Not very Trekkian is it? Kiss commie butt to make a buck?


Imagine a Trek film to get past them that was say, Tiananmen square in disguise using Romulans?
Or about how they wish to just take over a portion of the south sea, or how they get quite
upset about Taiwan remaining out of their grasp?
Any such disguised story would never be touched, and yet it would be
something Trek has done many times. China means the stories will always be "safe" for China.
Perhaps only Rod Serling could pull it off.

 

[SmilingOtter]

Those are areas I found problematic not because china or asian actors have a role in the film, but because their roles were added solely by mandate.

So Beyond wasn't a candidate for a Mandarin mandate?

 

[CessnaDriver]

Came across a lost Roddenberry quote...."...the audience is too often maligned by entertainment makers, the audience
has a much better mind than their ever given credit for."

Made me think of Pine's foolish statement.

 

[Mola Rob]

Came across a lost Roddenberry quote...."...the audience is too often maligned by entertainment makers, the audience
has a much better mind than their ever given credit for."

Made me think of Pine's foolish statement.

Unfortunately nowadays the mind of the audience is, more often than not, out to lunch.

 

[Bryancd]

Not dead yet, Beyind opens in China and still hadn't premiered in Japan.

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-star-trek-beyond-china-1201852068/

 

[CessnaDriver]

I bet the next one will not include a morality tale about oppressive governments and censoring of people that question them.
Ahhhhh but the price of success in China is so sweet, long live JJ Trek.
Perhaps the TV show can tackle such things.

 

[KrangPrime]

Came across a lost Roddenberry quote...."...the audience is too often maligned by entertainment makers, the audience
has a much better mind than their ever given credit for."

Made me think of Pine's foolish statement.

these days, when you have people defending trash like the karkrapshians, and feigbusters, and bay turtles.....

I think it's pine that is more on the money sadly.

people have been so dumbed down by mediocrity, they forgot what true flare and spark and fun really is.

they just go in hoping it won't be horrible.

maybe that's what hollywood is hoping for. an excuse to be lazy.

 

[KrangPrime]

The problem with China is Hollywood will self censor to appease Chinese censorship.
Not very Trekkian is it? Kiss commie butt to make a buck?

shh.... logic not welcome in this emotional world of today sometimes ;o)


this is pretty much it.

falling under the same example, characters ruined to appease china
look at the white washing of the Ancient one.
Or 'Asian Shredder' appearing in shadows once we complained about a white Shredder. I think Karai is actually a chinese actress, not japanese, IIRC.

I don't follow Dr.Strange, but if the Ancient One of Dr.Strange is anything like the Ancient One of the TMNT 4Kids reboot..i'd have been pretty annoyed if that fun character was replaced by a white actor just to appease china....especially since i love learning about japanese culture.

It's just sad that the bigger english speaking market of Europe, and the America's means so little to Hollywood, that it's pandering to china first and the films suffer because of it.

If China REALLY brings in that much money, they really need to do TWO cuts of a movie if they are that important. one, for English speaking free countries, one for commie ones.

 

[ghostryder]

http://io9.gizmodo.com/no-one-wants-to-spend-time-with-kirk-in-a-deleted-scene-1786893683

 

[CessnaDriver]

So far China has not been enough to have it reach the rule of thumb of double the production budget to be considered a success,
$37 million short.


Production Budget: $185 million X2=370

Worldwide:

$333,020,553

 

[Bryancd]

So far China has not been enough to have it reach the rule of thumb of double the production budget to be considered a success,
$37 million short.


Production Budget: $185 million X2=370

Worldwide:

$333,020,553

Opens in Japan Oct. 21st. which could add another $10-$15M.

 

[tessellated]

I don't know how a movie can 'flop' if it hasn't even been out a month, nor seen its full release schedule. Ghostbusters may end up costing the studio money, but that's because they're tacking on the massive marketing budget that came with it. Without having access to what that marketing budget is for Beyond, there isn't much you can say about its profitability. I mean, they're not even including domestic video sales. Star Trek (2009) took in almost $200 million in domestic video sales alone.

People will read what they want to read and flop talk gets the advertising revenue, but mathematically, flop status is undefined.

So yeah, a few months ago people were talking about how this movie was clearly a flop, which I felt was a bit premature given that it hadn't seen a full release and home sales.

As it stands now, Star Trek Beyond has taken in $330 million. It has yet to be released in Japan, where Trek 2009 took in $6 million and Into Darkness $10 million. Considering home revenue, this movie is clearly going to be profitable.

 

[Riceball]

So yeah, a few months ago people were talking about how this movie was clearly a flop, which I felt was a bit premature given that it hadn't seen a full release and home sales.

As it stands now, Star Trek Beyond has taken in $330 million. It has yet to be released in Japan, where Trek 2009 took in $6 million and Into Darkness $10 million. Considering home revenue, this movie is clearly going to be profitable.

I think that people here are so fixated on hating a movie they don't like that they'll point to any and every little thing to call it a flop or failure, even when the evidence points to the contrary. For some reason, they just can't stand the idea that people actually liked something that they hated. Personally, I actually liked this movie, while not a great movie by any means it wasn't that bad and I found it to be quite enjoyable in spite of some of its (obvious) flaws.

 

[Bryancd]

Yeah, in this case it's people who just hate the JJ Universe in general. I enjoy it so p#*s off.

 

[KrangPrime]

So far China has not been enough to have it reach the rule of thumb of double the production budget to be considered a success,
$37 million short.


Production Budget: $185 million X2=370

Worldwide:

$333,020,553

oh what a shame ;o).....


Supposedly turn out for Star Trek Missions in NY wasn't all that good. was reading an article on, I think, Gizmodo who thinks their handling of the franchise in recent years isn't all that great.


I can't say I disagree.

there seems to be a trend in long term tent pole franchises to ignore the fans of those franchises and try to bring in a casual audience as new fans.

Although, if star trek is any indication, those new fans get tired of it far faster than the old fans did. I hope this is a signal to hollywood this year that you can't just abandon your original fan base and hope to plow forward.

I dunno.

When the first movie came out, I had hope it could be fun, then i saw the destruction of not only romulus (after the progression they made during nemesis) but vulcun....and hope soon faded.


Star Trek isn't action and adventure.

It's LIGHT action and adventure mixed in with lots of exploration and human interaction..


Even Captain Archers farewell speech said 'We should get back to being explorers'....

 

[Mola Rob]

I don't hate the new Trek movies, I enjoyed the first movie as a mindless bit of summer action fluff and I have no problem if other people enjoy the movies. I simply won't support them any longer because as long as this iteration of Trek exists we won't get a more thoughtful take on the story in the movie theater. I don't want this to be the future of Star Trek on the big screen.

 

[astroboy]

I don't hate the new Trek movies, I enjoyed the first movie as a mindless bit of summer action fluff and I have no problem if other people enjoy the movies. I simply won't support them any longer because as long as this iteration of Trek exists we won't get a more thoughtful take on the story in the movie theater. I don't want this to be the future of Star Trek on the big screen.

Good point!

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[KrangPrime]

I don't hate the new Trek movies, I enjoyed the first movie as a mindless bit of summer action fluff and I have no problem if other people enjoy the movies. I simply won't support them any longer because as long as this iteration of Trek exists we won't get a more thoughtful take on the story in the movie theater. I don't want this to be the future of Star Trek on the big screen.

I feel the same way.

but sad thing is, it doesn't really matter what you do these days. nerd things are popular with everyone. as long as that remains, i don't see studios ever going back to catering too the long time fans. who are growing older by the way, and far grumpier and tougher to please.


they are probably going to want to continue to focus on those newer people and hope they can indoctrinate them into the franchise.

I think the days of studios wondering what is good for the franchise as a whole and not just the fans is long gone too.

 

[CessnaDriver]

What was so "beyond" about this movie anyways? I mean it's right there in the title.