Star Trek Beyond (Post-release)

[KrangPrime]

That was it? No justification? No interesting conversation about why?

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Nope.


There was an interesting post on IMDB explaining why things are the way they are. and it basically comes down to laziness.

Apparently intelligent things don't translate well to other foriegn language markets, where Box Office returns are bigger than english speaking countries.
hence, you get alot of dumbed down reboots (where properties are not well known elsewhere).

It was more thoroughly explained in the post, but that was the gist of it. interesting theory.

 

[tessellated]

No its never explained what happened to him though I assumed the alien tech transformed him over time as you saw when he regenerated himself...
And just where did all the other Krall space craft pilots come from?
Okay I guess he crashed with his crew, but they didn't seem much more than fifty or so.
And just where did all the other Krall space craft pilots come from?
Alien Rey,sorry Jaylah did say that he has been capturing space ship crew for ages, but if that quantity of ships had gone missing so close to that Nebula surely somebody would have noticed? There were tens of thousands of those craft in that tidal wave swarm at the end?

Between various references in the film and Edison's log entry it's stated that the advanced alien race left behind technology to extend life, a drone workforce and ships. Krall, Kalara and Magnus are the only actual people, everyone else are just robotic drones. That's what Edison meant when he said it was just the three of them in his final captains log.

The alien tech extends life by taking it from other living beings, over time it transforms you into that species. That's why Krall looked humanish in the end, because he had been using humans for the duration of the movie.

Why did Krall have to reach the ventilation system with an invasion force?
Given the size of bio-weapon he could have simply wandered in on an escape pod or shuttle , or beamed himself in without attracting attention to himself and set it off. Instead he sends a tidal wave of craft against it in a mad blast up? Surely he could have just sneaked instead?

I guess, but why doesn't anyone just transport their problems away in any star trek episode? It's entertainment.

And guess what blocks most radios waves and communications ? Yeah rocks, so the swarm would have smashed itself to pieces if it were taking single navigational instructions from one point source as soon as it came into contact with that asteroid field .
And how the hell did Krall and the rest of his crew forget they had crashed the Franklin and not even bother to repair it and didn't any of his crew want to go home once they found the alien spaceships on the planet ?

The drone ships weren't taking instructions from one location, they were using "cyberpathic" technology to communicate with each other, like a mesh network. Distrupting that caused them to start crashing into each other because they couldn't organize themselves. They didn't care about the Franklin anymore, they didn't need it. Between the ships left behind, they already had the means to leave the planet whenever they wanted. That was evident by the fact that Kalara flew one of them out of the nebula to start the story. Krall mentions he spent decades working on their plan and searching for the weapon.

Personally, I really liked Krall's motivations, they seemed the most interesting out of the new villains.

 

[tgreco]

http://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/star-trek-beyond-box-office-2-1201821821/

 

[tgreco]

Yes, you haven't actually seen any of the films you constantly carry on about so that's neither surprising or lends any additional credence to your point of view on the subject.

I saw the first one... and the second one... that's why I didn't bother to see the third one.

 

[KrangPrime]

https://soundcloud.com/videoguy565/interview-jj-abrahms-star-trek


found an old interview with JJ.


his first few statements are exactly what is wrong with the movie industry today.

paraphrasing...

'I'm not making a movie for star trek fans. i'm making a star trek movie for general audience fans'...

- - - Updated - - -

I saw the first one... and the second one... that's why I didn't bother to see the third one.

But, you can't MAKE an informed opinion based on what you know of previous works! That's not the Happy lemming forum way ;o).

 

[tessellated]

I'm not sure what value opening weekend sales reflects. Star Trek had a higher opening weekend than Into Darkness, but ID took in over 81 million more than the first. If anything, the trend is moving towards higher grosses. I'm willing to bet that Beyond will break the record for the rebooted movies considering its global appeal.

 

[JediG60racer]

But using the beastie boys feels like there is some executive at Paramount who INSISTED on it. Like, he was a huge fan and won't let it go.

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That would be JJ Abrams. HUGE Beastie Boys fan.

In fact, in the Star Wars movie he filmed, the name of the main droid - BB-8 - is an homage to Beastie Boys.

 

[Treadwell]

That would be JJ Abrams. HUGE Beastie Boys fan.

In fact, in the Star Wars movie he filmed, the name of the main droid - BB-8 - is an homage to Beastie Boys.

I wish I didn't know that.

 

[SmilingOtter]

And the non-human Resistance pilot on the mission to destroy Starkiller Base was "Ello Asty" - the Beastie Boys had an album "Hello Nasty."

 

[Treadwell]

Please don't tell me any more.

 

[Bryancd]

Finally got the chance to see this today. I thought it was great fun with some really nice moments between members of the cast as has been noted. Everything up through the destruction of the Enterprise was terrific. They lost me a bit when Kirk and Chekov and that alien chick go back to the crashed saucer section to retrieve the Abornath thing...at least I think that was the plan along with trying to locate the crew, and the scenes with Krall and Uhura. It was all so dark and the action too frenetic to follow. I also wasn't a fan of the sequence with Kirk on the bike while the crew escapes not because Kirk is riding a motorcycle, that was fine, it just seemed it was endless with him buzzing about. The stuff between Spock and McCoy was pitch perfect and a real joy to watch.

I very much like the concept of Krall and where they were going with it but I think they waited too long to introduce that because I was very confused as to what his motivation was, what was the deal with the energy sapping, and what this Abornath actually did. I'm still not entirely clear. They should have gotten Idris out of the makeup sooner.

The final battle was rollicking for sure, I liked the Sabotage maneuver. The Franklin was amazing and incredible...too incredible actually. To me it presents a level of technology well beyond the Federation in this time period and it's very confusing the way its laid out. And if each swarm ship had two pilots Krall must've had tens of thousands of crew, no?

But small issues aside, I loved the cast and their portrayals across the board and think Pegg did a great job with the screenplay. Definitely got a little verklempt when Spock pulled out that picture.

 

[karmajay]

And if each swarm ship had two pilots Krall must've had tens of thousands of crew, no?

The swarm ships and pilots were all drones left over from the previous people on the planet.

 

[Bryancd]

The swarm ships and pilots were all drones left over from the previous people on the planet.

I see, I just never saw there being enough of them running around Krall's base I suppose to warrant the size of his fleet.

 

[astroboy]

I wish I didn't know that.

I too, am sad to learn this

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[ghostryder]

 

[karmajay]

I see, I just never saw there being enough of them running around Krall's base I suppose to warrant the size of his fleet.

That's true we only see so many parked at the base. Maybe those were just so they had some drones for the crew to beat up during the escape?

 

[astroboy]

I honestly think I would have enjoyed the movie a LOT more if I understood kralls motive and the whole drone thing earlier. While watching it, I just assumed that he suddenly had an army of thousands out of nowhere

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[KrangPrime]

I honestly think I would have enjoyed the movie a LOT more if I understood kralls motive and the whole drone thing earlier. While watching it, I just assumed that he suddenly had an army of thousands out of nowhere

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you know, i never bothered to even think about that part of it, since these movies kind of turn your brain off and not on.

did he mention where he got the ships from? I'm guessing what was left of his crew somehow over powered the aliens that had the life giving technology, and they stole their fleet too. any ones they couldn't pilot themselves, they somehow automated.

 

[Jeyl]

Now that I think about it, if this film really wanted an enemy that challenged the principles of Starfleet and the Federation, they should have gone with the Valakians.

 

[karmajay]

you know, i never bothered to even think about that part of it, since these movies kind of turn your brain off and not on.

did he mention where he got the ships from? I'm guessing what was left of his crew somehow over powered the aliens that had the life giving technology, and they stole their fleet too. any ones they couldn't pilot themselves, they somehow automated.

I believe they just found the drones and stuff on the planet. They just figured out how to use all the stuff over time since nobody was able to rescue them.