astroboy
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It was the first time they went "beyond" defending earth as the plot.
Even though the Yorktown station was basically earth
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Star Trek Beyond (Post-release)
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Even though the Yorktown station was basically earth
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Mola Rob
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Star Trek built its amazing fan base on stories that were more thought provoking than action, they built a sense of wonder on the premise that the human, and other, races would someday learn to work together, to explore, to seek out the unknown, to explain the universe. The characters were professionals who worked well together while still retaining their unique qualities. In my opinion you cannot build such a fan base on most of the movie or TV franchises currently high in the rankings. They get viewers with a twist in the story, an interesting quirky concept, an offbeat character, or an amazing action sequence. It makes for a fun but ultimately shallow experience that does not continue to resonate in the viewer. The experience wears thin and the viewer seeks something different. Hollywood has put a gun to its own head when it comes to creating new and lasting creations.
In my opinion the current model cannot sustain itself. They are pummeling the viewer with too much of the same and it can't last.
Help me here... the Enterprise was in year 3 of its 5 year mission, right? Supposedly going places the Federation has not fully explored before, right? And right in the middle of this unexplored territory... is a Federation Space station? With Sulu's husband and daughter?! Apparently, it's just adjacent to this unknown planet where the baddies are getting ready to attack the Yorktown. Because they jump back and forth between the two areas at warp speed within a few hours.
It would be similar to me, wanting to explore the North Pole a century ago, stopping off at a local grocery store conveniently located a few miles from the destination, to pick up extra supplies.
For lack of a better astronomical term, I assumed the Enterprise was always headed AWAY from Federation Space on its 5 year mission. Not zig-zagging back and forth all over the place.
To quote Douglas Adams: "Space is big. Really big."
It would be similar to me, wanting to explore the North Pole a century ago, stopping off at a local grocery store conveniently located a few miles from the destination, to pick up extra supplies.
For lack of a better astronomical term, I assumed the Enterprise was always headed AWAY from Federation Space on its 5 year mission. Not zig-zagging back and forth all over the place.
To quote Douglas Adams: "Space is big. Really big."
And remember, these production budgets are industry estimates, NOT official numbers from the studio(s) involved.
And that number probably does not include marketing costs.
How much can blu-ray and DVD (and digital download) sales generate in profit? I'm not sure. But let's assume that the studio gets $5 in pure profit from every DVD and blu-ray sale and digital download. To further keep the numbers simple, let's assume they have an amazing response and sell 10 million discs/ downloads. That's $50 million in profit. A nice chunk of change, but enough to make a film like this profitable overall?
I can not find definitive number, but as an example form Star Wars:" TFA, April 2016:
Shifting an incredible 1.189 million copies in its first seven days on sale, Star Wars: The Force Awakens debuts at Number 1 to claim the title of fastest-selling DVD/Blu-ray of the year so far, OfficialCharts.com can reveal.
The sci-fi box office juggernaut overtakes James Bond action thriller Spectre, which sold 987,000 copies in its opening week in February.
And that number probably does not include marketing costs.
How much can blu-ray and DVD (and digital download) sales generate in profit? I'm not sure. But let's assume that the studio gets $5 in pure profit from every DVD and blu-ray sale and digital download. To further keep the numbers simple, let's assume they have an amazing response and sell 10 million discs/ downloads. That's $50 million in profit. A nice chunk of change, but enough to make a film like this profitable overall?
I can not find definitive number, but as an example form Star Wars:" TFA, April 2016:
Shifting an incredible 1.189 million copies in its first seven days on sale, Star Wars: The Force Awakens debuts at Number 1 to claim the title of fastest-selling DVD/Blu-ray of the year so far, OfficialCharts.com can reveal.
The sci-fi box office juggernaut overtakes James Bond action thriller Spectre, which sold 987,000 copies in its opening week in February.
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astroboy
Master Member
But Adams also said that it was empty.
Which means that there is a lot of empty space in between objects. This also means that next to something important there could be a nebula that is hard to navigate. But since there is sooo much space to explore, charting it isn't the highest priority.
Imagine if earth consisted of just the major cities. And we always flew from airport to airport. We would never really know much about the space between them. It would be easy to miss a settlement here and there.
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Even in TOS, the Enterprise popped out to unexplored areas and put back in to colonies and starbases throughout its FYM. Sometimes because of damage, but usually just because that was the next scheduled stop.
--Jonah
--Jonah
mkstewartesq
Sr Member
I get a bit of the opposite impression. I have been re-watching some of the old episodes, and it seems like almost everyone begins with one of the two following phrases: "On our way to [ previously discovered and named planet or outpost]....". or " we have received a distress signal from [ some other ship or outpost that appears to be out at least as far as the Enterprise]". So, yeah, while the crew encounter some new species or scenario, it always seem to be fairly close to an area where the Federation had already established some operations or had already sent other travelers.
M
astroboy
Master Member
This is true. The way I see it, space is huge. And they go from major destination to major destination . But the point of the show is to fill in the blanks in between. They aren't always going outward to the new frontier.
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Axlotl
Master Member
Rented this last night.
Absolutely stupid.
I wish they would just call these "Captain Space Adventure Time" or something and lose the Star Trek veneer entirely.
There were a few moments I mildly enjoyed, but they were sandwiched between so much "WTFisthis$h!t?" that they hardly count.
This movie wasn't even good as a "Captain Space Adventure Time" movie, much less a Star Trek movie.
I hope this is the last one.
Absolutely stupid.
I wish they would just call these "Captain Space Adventure Time" or something and lose the Star Trek veneer entirely.
There were a few moments I mildly enjoyed, but they were sandwiched between so much "WTFisthis$h!t?" that they hardly count.
This movie wasn't even good as a "Captain Space Adventure Time" movie, much less a Star Trek movie.
I hope this is the last one.
KrangPrime
Master Member
Watching the world series and an ad for this mess comes on.
In the background music we get some horribly terrible heavy metal SCREAMING song you can't figure out as all these fast moving action shots spray by and the characters hardly say anything.
It's like they can't be any more obvious with 'shiny, explosions, loud music! new people, love me!'
sigh.
Star trek is dead. i'm happy with what we got.
In the background music we get some horribly terrible heavy metal SCREAMING song you can't figure out as all these fast moving action shots spray by and the characters hardly say anything.
It's like they can't be any more obvious with 'shiny, explosions, loud music! new people, love me!'
sigh.
Star trek is dead. i'm happy with what we got.
This movie was very bland and predictable and mostly unentertaining in every way. It could not decide what it wanted to be. The only interesting thing was the new alien girl and even her story was bland.
Please JJ please just stop with Grunberg already. I get the whole friends thing but seeing him in the new star wars was bad enough now this movie is just too much. At least Peg was in unrecognizable costume in star wars and actually brings something to star trek. Enough already it really just bastardizes the whole movie going experience and believe ability.
Please JJ please just stop with Grunberg already. I get the whole friends thing but seeing him in the new star wars was bad enough now this movie is just too much. At least Peg was in unrecognizable costume in star wars and actually brings something to star trek. Enough already it really just bastardizes the whole movie going experience and believe ability.
Just watched it tonight. It thought it was "ok". The quick glimpse of the 1701-A at the end made me think "They did it. They made it uglier than before." I'm hoping that at the start of the next movie, it slams in to the side of the space dock thanks to a malfunction in the thrusters and the Geico Gecko flies over to it in a space suit and jet pack and says "Oh my, that will cost a pretty piece of gold pressed latinum to fix." So they're given another new ship that was just finished with new upgrades done by an avant garde ship designer that hates how the Federation designers do things, quickly drop the big E's number on it and then make like a space baby and head out.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
I enjoyed the film. I've enjoyed all three of the JJA Trek films, however, I did feel that this one was the weakest of the three.
For me the movies are just entertainment. I understand the fact that they'd be off-putting to people that are looking for more exploration and adventure, and maybe even a bit more science...but for me, I get enough science from my weekly listens to Dr. Tyson's StarTalk podcast and things like that.
Now, that's not to say that I wouldn't LOVE a Trek film that was very true to TOS, but...I don't think we'll be getting one of those any time soon.
For me the movies are just entertainment. I understand the fact that they'd be off-putting to people that are looking for more exploration and adventure, and maybe even a bit more science...but for me, I get enough science from my weekly listens to Dr. Tyson's StarTalk podcast and things like that.
Now, that's not to say that I wouldn't LOVE a Trek film that was very true to TOS, but...I don't think we'll be getting one of those any time soon.
I agree. I enjoyed the first reboot as a nice popcorn action flick. Into Darkness was ok, but the parallels to TWOK were too much for me.
This one just felt empty. The interesting aspects of the story were basically skipped over, and I feel like Pine's performance was forced.
The new uniforms were sharp, but it feels like these movies are drifting farther and farther away from what makes Star Trek Star Trek...
Sean
KrangPrime
Master Member
and that's because most people are OK with just accepting the first one as a popcorn flick, i think ;o).
The day people want LESS from their movies, and only to be entertained for 2 hours, is the day we get less unique stuff on the air and more michael bay movies.
;o)
astroboy
Master Member
We already have Michael Bay movies everywhere d.c. flicks, marvel flicks, star trek flicks....are there REALLY much better than bayformers? Not by much
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