Sound FX file for DS Gun

Deathbird

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Hello,

I am trying to find a sound file for a DS gun firing from the movie Logan's Run.

I am building the gun and need to incorporate some sound to accompany the light.
Not doing the original flamer as there are too many risks at a Con with that :eek

Thanks in advance,

Phillip7
 
LOL, yea I know it was a practical effect.. was just wondering if anyone had captured it already and filtered out the crap AND was willing to share :p
 
I have no way of recording it but some of the other owners of working pistols will be able to help you out I'm sure.
 
If it's the actual practical sound of the prop igniting then it would be an extremely rare and cheesy element in an otherwise high-end (for the time) special effects movie. In my multiple decades of film and television work, I can't recall even once time when a special prop's practical sound was used as the sound in the finished mix.
The post audio folks would likely have mixed out whatever actual sound the gun made when ignited (regardless of whether it sounded interesting as-is) and replaced it with a sound effect that they could mix, process and modify to whatever level they needed to sound the same in every shot DESPITE the acoustics of the set, angle/placement of the gun with regard to the mikes, and other inconsistencies during shooting.
It's very difficult to control practical sounds - and just about every prop you see in a film or TV show is as silent as possible. If it's absolutely necessary that a prop make a noise, it would have caused the on-set sound person and the post folks some headaches when they had to replace it. They might have used a sound effect based on the way a flame ignition device might sound, but I'd be very, very skeptical if anyone has been told that we're hearing the practical sound of the actual prop in Logan's Run. If it's the actual sound of the gun "enhanced" it would still have been added later. It's not impossible that they might have based the sound on the actual prop, but with all the time, changes, opinions, more changes, more opinions and more changes involved in things like sound effects and post production, I'd bet they created a sound from scratch.
Film and TV audio is very controlled - just like almost all other aspects of production. Back in the days when I was an on-set prop guy, I installed countless switches that turned off the cooling fans in countless gadgets to avoid even that small amount of on-set noise. Even mundane sounds are added in post. For instance when you see someone carrying a grocery bag, it's very likely "silent bag" which is made of a kind of material that looks just like a brown paper grocery sack, but doesn't make any crinkly noises when its handled. The crinkly sounds of the bag are added later so they can be mixed and processed.
I searched my vast archive of sci-fi sound effects and alas couldn't find a good sample of the Logan's Run DS gun.
 
I seem to remember that sort of a sound when igniting my major propane torch for melting tar and annealing steel. But of course they would have added it in later to be able to control the end sound.
Checking those links now for the samples
thanks everyone!
 
Um, ever fired a properly working flamegun, dude?

I'm guessing, no. The sound is pretty much bang on. As mentioned, a little filtered or slowed-down, but clearly an actual DS gun.

In this video, you can get an idea of the sound once it's slowed down towards the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKVQm6GZYik

If it's the actual practical sound of the prop igniting then it would be an extremely rare and cheesy element in an otherwise high-end (for the time) special effects movie. In my multiple decades of film and television work, I can't recall even once time when a special prop's practical sound was used as the sound in the finished mix.
The post audio folks would likely have mixed out whatever actual sound the gun made when ignited (regardless of whether it sounded interesting as-is) and replaced it with a sound effect that they could mix, process and modify to whatever level they needed to sound the same in every shot DESPITE the acoustics of the set, angle/placement of the gun with regard to the mikes, and other inconsistencies during shooting.
It's very difficult to control practical sounds - and just about every prop you see in a film or TV show is as silent as possible. If it's absolutely necessary that a prop make a noise, it would have caused the on-set sound person and the post folks some headaches when they had to replace it. They might have used a sound effect based on the way a flame ignition device might sound, but I'd be very, very skeptical if anyone has been told that we're hearing the practical sound of the actual prop in Logan's Run. If it's the actual sound of the gun "enhanced" it would still have been added later. It's not impossible that they might have based the sound on the actual prop, but with all the time, changes, opinions, more changes, more opinions and more changes involved in things like sound effects and post production, I'd bet they created a sound from scratch.
Film and TV audio is very controlled - just like almost all other aspects of production. Back in the days when I was an on-set prop guy, I installed countless switches that turned off the cooling fans in countless gadgets to avoid even that small amount of on-set noise. Even mundane sounds are added in post. For instance when you see someone carrying a grocery bag, it's very likely "silent bag" which is made of a kind of material that looks just like a brown paper grocery sack, but doesn't make any crinkly noises when its handled. The crinkly sounds of the bag are added later so they can be mixed and processed.
I searched my vast archive of sci-fi sound effects and alas couldn't find a good sample of the Logan's Run DS gun.
 
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Having fired an original gun in 1976, when Bill Blake owned one.

The gun from Australia that I own.

and one of Rylo's.

I can tell you it IS the sound. It's filtered, layerd and mixed to be sure but it is there.

It may not be the actual sound collected on set, but more likey recorded directly for use in the film.

Rylo's sounds closest. Undoubtably due to the superior valve and water injector designs, allowing good gas build-up and smooth operation, resulting in consistent firings.

And the coolest sound of any prop replica ever, that isn't electronically created.
 
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Ok. We have established some good ground here towards what I need.

Is it possible for me to get a decent .wav file recording of a Rylo DS gun firing?
 
So the whip sound in the Indy movies is not a Morgan right? :rolleyes

Simply put I have fired a DS Gun many times as well as owning one of Rys and it IS the sound in the Movie.




In my multiple decades of film and television work, I can't recall even once time when a special prop's practical sound was used as the sound in the finished mix.
 
I own one of Rylo's working DS guns as well and I agree with Mic that it is the coolest sound of any prop replica ever.

I still say if they did use the actual sound it was tweaked and another sound was added to it (which IMO opinion would not make it the "actual sound").
 
:lol Splitin hairs Bro, as everyone has posted above it is the BASE sound on which it was done yes. :lol


I own one of Rylo's working DS guns as well and I agree with Mic that it is the coolest sound of any prop replica ever.

I still say if they did use the actual sound it was tweaked and another sound was added to it (which IMO opinion would not make it the "actual sound").
 
What a DS gun FLame -war I got going here :love
(pun intended)

So, could any of you fine gentlemen that have access to a Rylo DS gun to capture a few sound samples of it firing?

You would be elevated to chief Sandman and immediately have your life clock frozen at Red for your awesomeness!

Thanks in advance

Phillip7

(my name is Phillip and I was the seventh child in my brood, so I can use this name legally :cool)
 
Look a few posts up, man. There's a link to a video and there are numerous others on youtube.

What a DS gun FLame -war I got going here :love
(pun intended)

So, could any of you fine gentlemen that have access to a Rylo DS gun to capture a few sound samples of it firing?

You would be elevated to chief Sandman and immediately have your life clock frozen at Red for your awesomeness!

Thanks in advance

Phillip7

(my name is Phillip and I was the seventh child in my brood, so I can use this name legally :cool)
 
I did see those, and I guess I will try to pull the audio from there... I guess I was just being lazy and was hoping for a .wav file of it :wacko

Look a few posts up, man. There's a link to a video and there are numerous others on youtube.
 
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