Scuttling Recasters...

[itsalive]

Some silicones have no inhibition to sulfur. Silicone Inc's GI-1000 mixed with UFC will cure against just about anything including sulfur.

Also silicone stickage gets weaker over cure time. New layers might not cure and ahere to the older layers, with out a good cleaning of the original layers surface.

I've made molds where one layer of new silicone didn't adhere to the previous layer properly. so the sandpaper trick might not work either.

Just cancel this guys bid. Thats what I'd do.

 

[Art Andrews]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lambotour @ Mar 13 2007, 11:33 AM) [snapback]1439041[/snapback]</div>

Honestly Sarge, why waste your time and the possibility that he may still be able to recast the bust?
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Because that wouldn't be melodramatic enough and it would be even more difficult to justify an already pointless thread just to inform everyone that you were going to cancel a recasters bid... but hey, on a brighter note, I guess this will be a great opportunity to see if 2 wrongs make a right. Hurray for vindictiveness.

 

[Clutch]

If it is on ebay and he really wants it, he can get it.

 

[hollywoodhardware]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hitogiri @ Mar 13 2007, 01:40 PM) [snapback]1438941[/snapback]</div>

I would do the sanding treatment, what can he say? "Hey. I can't copy this."
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And he will never be able to paint it if you give it the silicone treatment after.

The problem I see is: Is there really proof that this guy is a copycat? If not and he just wants the bust to paint it, I see a little problem here.

Thomas

 

[Gytheran]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brak's Buddy @ Mar 13 2007, 01:40 PM) [snapback]1439208[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lambotour @ Mar 13 2007, 11:33 AM) [snapback]1439041[/snapback]

Honestly Sarge, why waste your time and the possibility that he may still be able to recast the bust?
[/b]

Because that wouldn't be melodramatic enough and it would be even more difficult to justify an already pointless thread just to inform everyone that you were going to cancel a recasters bid... but hey, on a brighter note, I guess this will be a great opportunity to see if 2 wrongs make a right. Hurray for vindictiveness.
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Yeah, no sh.t...

If you don't want to sell to him, don't.

But don't be a douche bag.

 

[ThermalShock]

Isn't there some way you can notify ebay this guy recasts items? Or do they even give a rats petootie. It might keep him from bidding.

 

[Rylo]

:rolleyes The drama. Cancel his bid and block him from bidding on your auctions in the future if you're concerned.

Unless you've got a few 'Pre-cogs' stashed in the shop, I'd have my own concerns with your ethics Sarge if you go tampering with the guys purchase for what someone told you he might do.

Kinda like kicking the dog 'just in case' it's thinking about biting you.

You've got no problem taking his cash but have to lace his package...just in case?

C'mon. Bulls**t

It's simple. Don't sell to him if you're concerned about his intentions. Sounds to me be like you're torn between the cash and the "what-ifs."

Pick one.

 

[starfighter66]

I am thinking of making some serenity pal units, I have purchased the unit that was used for this - A real PASS PAL unit, a piece of firefighting equipment, I know awhile back someone had sold solid casts of this. My question is if I make a cast of this found item am I recasting?

 

[SgtFang]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rylo @ Mar 13 2007, 06:00 PM) [snapback]1439306[/snapback]</div>

Sounds to me be like you're torn between the cash and the "what-ifs."

Pick one.
[/b]

Eh... CASH. Between supporting my household, Phil's household AND keeping the shop stocked, I can't really afford to be canceling bids. Oh well, chances are he'll get outbid anyhoo.

I gotta say though, it seems like this is a no win scenario- if someone recasts something without permission they're the bad guy, but if someone tries to actively prevent it he gets a thumbs down for that too... :confused

-Sarge


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(starfighter66 @ Mar 13 2007, 06:24 PM) [snapback]1439325[/snapback]</div>

I am thinking of making some serenity pal units, I have purchased the unit that was used for this - A real PASS PAL unit, a piece of firefighting equipment, I know awhile back someone had sold solid casts of this. My question is if I make a cast of this found item am I recasting?
[/b]

We really need more words for the practice of molding. Yes it would be "Recasting" since you're molding it, but it's "good" recasting since you found the mass market item yourself. Just buying something someone else made and molding it without permission is "bad" recasting, but buying something someone else made and doesn't want to make anymore and bartering with them for molding rights is "good" recasting.

We need more words.

-Sarge

 

[micdavis]

Want more words? Have a few.

You are selling the image likeness of Arnie.

You have no rights too.

Therefore you have no right, to bitch about people stealing your rights which you don't have.

It's pretty simple.

No honor among thieves. And it not a gray area either. He's wrong (if in fact he is a recaster) and you're wrong for ripping off Arnie.

Birds of a feather......

 

[ThermalShock]

Interesting perspective.

 

[Art Andrews]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SgtFang @ Mar 13 2007, 06:59 PM) [snapback]1439340[/snapback]</div>

I gotta say though, it seems like this is a no win scenario- if someone recasts something without permission they're the bad guy, but if someone tries to actively prevent it he gets a thumbs down for that too... :confused
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It is an easily won scenario as you have been told again and again. You have the ability to cancel his bid. What you are suggesting is trading one CLEAR wrong for POTENTIALLY another, instead of opting to do the right thing which is readily and freely available to you. There are very few of us here, who are independently wealthy. Your need of cash is no different than that of anyone else but by your own words you have shown that the desire for $$$ outweighs the desire to do what is right and your morals are for sale. From what I see this concept of flexible morality, based on greed is becoming disturbingly more prevalent.

 

[SgtFang]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brak's Buddy @ Mar 13 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]1439358[/snapback]</div>

Your need of cash is no different than that of anyone else but by your own words you have shown that the desire for $$$ outweighs the desire to do what is right and your morals are for sale. From what I see this concept of flexible morality, based on greed is becoming disturbingly more prevalent.
[/b]

Well, it's not so much the desire for cash as it is the impending need for cash- I'm down to around 125.00 in Paypal, I'm going to need to order more resin in a few days, and ship this weeks batch of kits by Friday and if I turn this payment away there isn't going to be enough to ship anything this week. The people here have been MORE than patient with my delays during the last few weeks of bad weather, and now that the weather's broke it's time for me to get the last of these items out and start Spring with a clean slate.

I've decided to just let the auction run it's course and if the guy wins, he wins, I'll send him an "untainted" casting, and if he copies it , he copies it.

I've been recast plenty of times in the past and it hasn't killed me yet. B) :thumbsup

-Sarge

 

[racprops]

I run into this for decades, once at a con I turned away a scumbag dealer.

20 minutes later a guy walks up and buys it.

And then walks right over to the scumbagÂ’s table and hands it to him.

Worst is: if you donÂ’t sell it to him and then watch to see if he recasts you, if he uses a friend to buy it you may not know later if he did it. If you sell it to him, at lease you can track him and denounce him on every board.

My 2 cents worth.

Rich

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ThermalShock @ Mar 13 2007, 05:14 PM) [snapback]1439273[/snapback]</div>

Isn't there some way you can notify ebay this guy recasts items? Or do they even give a rats petootie. It might keep him from bidding.
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eBay doesn't care. They're going to get their cut of the sale plus the listing fees. That's why there are people on there with 30+ negative feedbacks.

 

[Darkknight0667]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SgtFang @ Mar 13 2007, 06:59 PM) [snapback]1439340[/snapback]</div>

Oh well, chances are he'll get outbid anyhoo.
[/b]

If you believe this, then cancelling his bid and blocking him from bidding on your auctions won't cost you anything, will it?

 

[Gigatron]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(micdavis @ Mar 13 2007, 11:09 PM) [snapback]1439348[/snapback]</div>

Want more words? Have a few.

You are selling the image likeness of Arnie.

You have no rights too.

Therefore you have no right, to bitch about people stealing your rights which you don't have.

It's pretty simple.

No honor among thieves. And it not a gray area either. He's wrong (if in fact he is a recaster) and you're wrong for ripping off Arnie.

Birds of a feather......
[/b]

C'mon, Mic, that's a highly unfair assesment. If that were the case, then nobody here would be allowed to bitch about being recast. How many on this board have actually sculpt or built or machined something that wasn't an intellectual property of another company or someone else's likeness?

By your logic, Chewie15 could never say anything when anyone recasts one of his incredible sculpts because he doesn't own the likeness of the celebrity he sculpted. Or noone can complain when someone recasts a GH or a Gino vader helmet because they don't own the intellectual property rights.

You're either going to have to rethink that or apply it to everyone.

-Fred

 

[DarkKnight]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(racprops @ Mar 13 2007, 06:53 PM) [snapback]1439390[/snapback]</div>

I run into this for decades, once at a con I turned away a scumbag dealer.

20 minutes later a guy walks up and buys it.

And then walks right over to the scumbagÂ’s table and hands it to him.

Worst is: if you donÂ’t sell it to him and then watch to see if he recasts you, if he uses a friend to buy it you may not know later if he did it. If you sell it to him, at lease you can track him and denounce him on every board.

My 2 cents worth.

Rich
[/b]

I think I wouldve gone ape and killed someone, look everyone would license items if it were easy and reasonable like $5 a kit, it would be a non issue, but add lawyers and the psycho amounts they want from a small hobbyist, its impossible, as for recasting thats cheating period, i think the only exception is if a kit is gone and (emphasis on and) the orignal maker says he doesnt care

 

[Dalroi]

I saw pretty much the same thing at a show in the UK.

My faith in human nature, fragile at best, was given yet another kicking.

When money walks in the front door, ethics & morals leg it out the back. :unsure

Dalroi

 

[racprops]

This like the old joke:

A man is dining with a beautiful woman, he asks her:
“You saw “Indecent Proposal” didn’t you? So would you sleep with a good looking man like Robert Redford for one million?”

She replies, “Redford …one million, I think I would.”

He then said, “Great how about coming up to my room for $500.00?”
She cries, “NO WAY.. What kind of girl do you think I am??”

Which he replies, “That we all ready know, it is simply a mater of price.”

Moral: Everyone has a price, it is all a matter of finding it.

Rich

PS Over all the Human race is not too bad....just don't turn your back on any of them.