Scuttling Recasters...

[SgtFang]

Ok so one of Rick Baker's guys just gave me a head's up on the current bidder for my Arnie Bust on eBay this week, and says that the guy is a front for another eBay seller called "celemasks" and warns me that my bidder has copied several of his pieces in the past.

I thanked him for his concern, invited him here, and have been thinking of ways to cause considerable inconvenience to the other guy should he win my Arnie and try to copy it. :angel

Right off, I'm thinking I could dust the mold with straight sulfur instead of my usual baby powder wich would result in the surface of the silicone not curing and leaving him with a blue gooey mess for his efforts, but that would require making an entire new bust.

I'm also entertaining the notion of just taking the cast I've got here, giving it an all over sanding with about 220 grit sand paper to make millions of micro scratches over the entire exposed surface and then SOAKING it in silicone fluid. Even after a thorough wiping off, the fluid would still be in all those micro scratches, and would WELD his silicone to the piece, costing him hundreds in silicone and the initial purchase...

Can anyone think of anything else good? :love

-Sarge

 

[ob1al]

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I'm also entertaining the notion of just taking the cast I've got here, giving it an all over sanding with about 220 grit sand paper to make millions of micro scratches over the entire exposed surface and then SOAKING it in silicone fluid. Even after a thorough wiping off, the fluid would still be in all those micro scratches, and would WELD his silicone to the piece, costing him hundreds in silicone and the initial purchase...

Can anyone think of anything else good? :love

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I dunno Sarge, that sounds pretty good. :lol

You could also remove his bid and block him from bidding on anything of your in future - but your way sounds more fun.

 

[Jumpin Jax]

Yeah Sgt, not much to add to that one, sounds diabolical and effective Maybe you could embed it in a block of lucite :thumbsup


It would be great to have a manual for screwing screwers Filling armor pieces with flocking or FG to derail recasting

 

[superjedi]

Hmm. . . your way sound fun, but if you can get your hands on a couple of grams of plutonium. . . . . . . . :lol

 

[RKW]

I guess using keywords like that is one way to boost membership.

 

[tk8456]

Post him a lump of dog mess

 

[MattMunson]

Interestingly, this brings up a tangential ebay ethics question: do we as sellers have a right to choose who we sell to on ebay? Can we hang a sign up that basically says "I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"? Isn't that discrimination?

And wouldn't modifying your item prior to shipment violate the ebay TOS? If you're not advertising your item as scuffed and filled with silicone kick, or coated in sulpher, isn't THAT dishonest?? Doesn't that make you as bad as the potentially recast(ed)ing purchaser??

I'm just sayin'.

 

[Sidewinder]

Just cancel his bid - y'can still do that I think?

SAS

 

[wilysteve]

And wouldn't modifying your item prior to shipment violate the ebay TOS? If you're not advertising your item as scuffed and filled with silicone kick, or coated in sulpher, isn't THAT dishonest?? Doesn't that make you as bad as the potentially recast(ed)ing purchaser?? [/b]

I think the point is that the only way he would ever know it was coated in sulpher or silicone fluid, and the only case in which it would cause any trouble, is if he attempted to recast it......I think. Which sounds good to me

 

[Jumpin Jax]

Call it a water mark

 

[Firefoxm31]

Ahh. if only it were that simple... in stomps a barrier grrrrrrrrrr
Will

 

[Jumpin Jax]

Barrier nothing. If you don't break it, significantly alter it, or change its shape, I see no issue. If you want to test the waters, tell the guy you gave it a light sanding, there was something there you wanted to correct Bet my boots he couldn't care less.

 

[Firefoxm31]

gotta read between the lines(barrier) on that one.
Will

 

[Hitogiri]

I would do the sanding treatment, what can he say? "Hey. I can't copy this."

Just becuase you can't rip someone off isn't a viable reason for return last I checked. lol Go for it.

 

[DarthBish]

I' going to play devil's advocate here and say that if it's up on ebay, it's for sale in the public domain.
Is what he, or anyone else, does to it after the purchase any of your concern??

 

[dropshipbob]

I'm sure that wouldn't stop him. After sinking his money into the bust for recasting purposes, I'm sure he will not stop till he has done so.
If you suspect him of recasting, cancel his bid, that's good enough.

 

[Gigatron]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MattMunson @ Mar 13 2007, 08:45 AM) [snapback]1438893[/snapback]</div>

Interestingly, this brings up a tangential ebay ethics question: do we as sellers have a right to choose who we sell to on ebay? Can we hang a sign up that basically says "I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"? Isn't that discrimination?

And wouldn't modifying your item prior to shipment violate the ebay TOS? If you're not advertising your item as scuffed and filled with silicone kick, or coated in sulpher, isn't THAT dishonest?? Doesn't that make you as bad as the potentially recast(ed)ing purchaser??

I'm just sayin'.
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Matt, that already exists on ebay. You are more than welcome to deny bids to people with zero or negative feedbacks and you can deny sales to people out of country. Ebay has no rules in place that say you have to sell to every Bob, Dick and Harry that pops up in your auction.


DarthBish, if the seller is recasting Fang's work, then yes, it's entirely Fang's concern. Are you saying that if you spent time and money researching and sculpting an item and some dirtbag on ebay bought and started selling copies, that you wouldn't care? I find that hard to believe. This guy is looking to make a profit off of Fang's work.

Now if the buyer wanted to put the bust on a mannequin and go on a date with it, hell, Fang wouldn't care in the least (probably :lol ).

-Fred

 

[lambotour]

Honestly Sarge, why waste your time and the possibility that he may still be able to recast the bust. Cancel his bid and block him from bidding. Why should the opportunity for a real collector to acquire the bust be missed just to prove a point to this a-hole? Send him a message telling him you know about his, or his friend's practices, and tell him to f himself.

 

[jordankarr]

Yup I would second the just cancel the bid and block him from bidding on your auctions. Theres plenty of us Honest people out there like myself that have either had a chance to buy from you or want a chance to buy from you one of your great creations.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

I had that happen a couple of years back. I was selling an Enterprise universal translator, when a 'certain man from Italy' bid on it. I emailed him and said, "First, I don't ship to Italy, and second, you're a known recaster, so I will cancel your bid, you need not try again" and left it at that.

Edited because I just realized that after 3 years and 7 months, this is just now my 250th post. Not a lot of action huh.. :lol