Ryan Gosling 'K' - Blade Runner 2049!

Yes I think the same about the collar.
Many of of the images show that base length of the collar, it actually goes over the left lapel, but very little, it's almost the same length. SR length is great for that detail. But the upper length it's another story: to have that shape and fit like Gosling in the fog, mine should be at least 3-4cm longer (and a bit curved behing the neck probably).
I did the math for that specific taper form a few pages back. It is meant for a custom coat, of course. To modify the SR in that way is difficult, though height and length are well done. The curvature / length of the upper part could only be modified on an existing coat by slowly stretching it out, maybe. But I won't do that on my coat. The collar up position is practically irrelevant for daily wear and my SR still gets me a lot of compliments.
 
Hi guys,

I've been off the forum for a bit but just dipping in for a quick re-connect. Count Lau, thanks so much for all the amazing, dedicated insight into every aspect of the different coats.

At long last, it's amazing to see some excellent hi-res pics of the movie coat in its full glory. Wow!

It's also nice to confirm how the collar is clearly larger and conical/funnel-shaped. This is something every coat maker needs to address. No more excuses.

I agree Jameel's coat hits on a lot of the aesthetics which is nice to see, but falls short in several other areas. As Count Lau pointed out recently, the collar (as well as WSL's standard collar) is still a sticking point. It's way too small and, when closed, pattern-wise the coat's overlapping panel is more double-breasted (i.e. it does not close straight down the middle at the waist area, but further over). Also, Jameel's coat is too short. The movie coat is longer. This is something I pointed out and sadly fell on deaf ears when he made mine. So, excluding the collar, I still think WSL still gets it right in terms of the coat's design, material and structure. If they would only crack the collar, it would be a the best coat in terms of price-quality-accuracy by a mile.

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In any event, with all the beautiful new photos of the coat perhaps Soul Revolver will finally get around to making their promised 2.0. version of the coat and Jameel can also tweak those inaccuracies to build a better coat overall. It'll be interesting to see how all of this pans out.
 
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I did the math for that specific taper form a few pages back. It is meant for a custom coat, of course. To modify the SR in that way is difficult, though height and length are well done. The curvature / length of the upper part could only be modified on an existing coat by slowly stretching it out, maybe. But I won't do that on my coat. The collar up position is practically irrelevant for daily wear and my SR still gets me a lot of compliments.
the fact that wearing SR gets compliments, it's quite understandable regardless of our study of the details.

Absolutely agree, absolutely avoid doing stretching maneuvers on an SR: I was talking about Jameel's laminate (which has elastic properties), otherwise you only risk ruining it, SR is a tough and rigid fabric (then after the greenland + otter wax that I did on it, very tough I would say).

On the third waxing hand, I created an experimental method that I had already tried elsewhere, it was very successful: I carefully blew evenly some talcum powder just after having applied a coat of otter dressing, this was incorporated into the waxed coating (leaving the coat in the correct open position hanging for a long time so that the wax polymerizes correctly completely and in position), then I made some touch-ups with the bars...there you go (here below, it was a couple days after I correct a bit again the right side of the collar corner to make it even more SA, coated with this new method and put back the original real shearling after having it distressed in a more brownish / mustard tone, now it's perfectly stable)

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I would say that on the color and shine effect, I couldn't ask for better.
For the record, I take this opportunity to do my examination of the 3 best waxes (greenland, barbour, otter) tried (both on my k coats and on other things, other twills, a duck canvas jacket etc):

density: 1 greenland 2 otter 3 barbour
shine added: 1 otter 2 barbour 3 greenland (it doesn't add any shine at all)
curing time (from the fastest): 1 greenland 2 barbour 3 otter
sturdiness added: 1 greenland 2 otter 3 barbour
SA effect: 1 otter (by far) 2 barbour 3 greenland (it doesn't do nothing for increasing the look)

In the end, I used Greenland bars just as a base on the external part (don't want any paraffine-based wax to make constant contact with my skin, so only Otter for inner parts), Greenland also helps to speed up curing time of other more creamy waxes (as Otter and especially Barbour which is very creamy) and make the cloth heavy and robust as a winter coat should be, I put abundant quantities of it when waxing my BEP from Jameel, since it's not pure cotton at all (still a bit of PU lamination and spandex in the weave) and that wax is designed to grip on g1000 fjallraven clothing, which is cotton together with a high percentage of synthetic fibres, so it seems to grip on almost every type of fabric, as Otter, but even more.
Finally I did some tries to machine wash (delicate cycles) a waxed garment which already ended the curing time due:
doing a careful hang to dry it without any direct heat sources and not folding it, absolutely none of the garment I tried, losed the wax coating, it just may need a bit of re-adjustment, but if it was already stable before, at 20°C washing cycle it stays there where it is, maybe you can just do some re-touches with a bar, but it wasn't really needed.
With that I don't wanna suggest to machine wash waxed garments (preferable to avoid it on every garment that has a synt-wool lining like this coats of us), and on the label, the only washable cloth between these coats that also has a fixed coating, is SR, you can also wash Jameel's laminate (with my attempts, I washed it really too much, and I keep using it, I put vids recently here and still looks great even if to much distressed, it really seems like one of the propstore more distressed coats, just a bit shorter and with a tighter collar), but just FYI. If I wash 30-40° my coated SR or another fabric I tried with these waxes, it simply lose the coating, no damages, no particular clots hard to remove, you can just re wax again and everything is ok, but SR is the only one with a native fixed coating which can be considered quite close to the movie and fully washable, since Jameel's laminate (which seems no more available at today), I think it gives a really good effect even close to the propstore images, but after a while that I had it, I figured it wasn't exactly what I was looking for: too soft, too plastic-like, too shiny, and that's why I put my bep through all that stuff.

However, I think it's not impossible to have a similar (if not even sturdier) coating of SR, simply using the right acrylic in the right method, with the proper medium finish: I recently created a futuristic bag, demobaza-style inspired: I layered all over a pvc waterproof decathlon 10lt bag, in order to obtain a bag that I will use in my cliff diving season when I'll be back approaching rivers, I exceed a bit with the coating since I want it to be almost totally indestructible (it's gonna have harsh times with my hiking")...well, the result is stable this time, it doesn't crack, so I think I refined my acrylic coating technique, but the thing to know, is that it could be done properly almost only on non-elastic cotton types (also poly-cotton, but rigid and breathable enough to make the coating grip and let you fix it with heavy ironing, at least 120-150°C for 5-10 minutes).
It's probably possible also for elastic clothes, dunno if it should be done with a press in the case (by the manufacturer), but I guess that, since Demobaza sells terrific clothes that have both properties (I recently also bought another jacket for me from them, and despite the very high price and some unexpected flaws that I fixed, it's simply great and proofs how much knowledge and great results can be reached by expert clothing producers), and some of them seem close to the movie effect seen in the current auction.

Just an image of my bag attached (in person it's great showing two different colors one one more towards petrol and the other more towards grey, sorry for my poor photo means), how it looks after that acrylic treament and all my transformation, to give an idea.

Anyway, regardless of whether it's something aimed at collecting rather than everyday use (except being a Gosling clone when in the film form), I couldn't afford that kind of money, I could just try to sell mine well, then trust Indy this time with my instructions, and then have one in duck that is practically almost the same and how I want it.
 

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Hi guys,

I've been off the forum for a bit but just dipping in for a quick re-connect. Count Lau, thanks so much for all the amazing, dedicated insight into every aspect of the different coats.

At long last, it's amazing to see some excellent hi-res pics of the movie coat in its full glory. Wow!

It's also nice to confirm how the collar is clearly larger and conical/funnel-shaped. This is something every coat maker needs to address. No more excuses.

I agree Jameel's coat hits on a lot of the aesthetics which is nice to see, but falls short in several other areas. As Count Lau pointed out recently, the collar (as well as WSL's standard collar) is still a sticking point. It's way too small and, when closed, pattern-wise the coat's overlapping panel is more double-breasted (i.e. it does not close straight down the middle at the waist area, but further over). Also, Jameel's coat is too short. The movie coat is longer. This is something I pointed out and sadly fell on deaf ears when he made mine. So, excluding the collar, I still think WSL still gets it right in terms of the coat's design, material and structure. If they would only crack the collar, it would be a the best coat in terms of price-quality-accuracy by a mile.

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In any event, with all the beautiful new photos of the coat perhaps Soul Revolver will finally get around to making their promised 2.0. version of the coat and Jameel can also tweak those inaccuracies to build a better coat overall. It'll be interesting to see how all of this pans out.
Great to see you back.

Totally agreed, but don't believe about they'd get back into the project to improve it more...let's see if I'm wrong, but I wouldn't spend crazy amounts of money anymore, at most I'd do what I recently wrote, because otherwise I would really have done better to have a friend of mine in the States get me one of those coats from the auction and spend all my money to reimburse him :)
 
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I also love this visual evidence for the collar being tapered. This is something Soul Revolver, in particular, should study closely.

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Hi Mechanismo,

welcome back. I guess you see this picture as proof that the back side of the collar has greater height than the front side, right?

But that isn't so. The funnel shape of the collar is achieved through its curved shape. Front and back side are actually of the same height. You can clearly see this here:

 
Hi Mechanismo,

welcome back. I guess you see this picture as proof that the back side of the collar has greater height than the front side, right?

But that isn't so. The funnel shape of the collar is achieved through its curved shape. Front and back side are actually of the same height. You can clearly see this here:

While I appreciate the amount of research and tweaking of details on the coat done by various members, here on this thread, I have to remind people that the coat and its details, especially the height of the collar, was specifically made for the actor's body: height of the neck, face, etc...your personal measurements might completely modify the overall look of said coat. ;)
 
Hi Mechanismo,

welcome back. I guess you see this picture as proof that the back side of the collar has greater height than the front side, right?

But that isn't so. The funnel shape of the collar is achieved through its curved shape. Front and back side are actually of the same height. You can clearly see this here:

Thanks for pointing that out, but that's not exactly what I mean. I'm saying that the end of the collar should be tapered, i.e. gradually narrow and not be the same width as at base of the neck. So, not this:

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This film still also shows how the collar tapers:

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Front and back are more or less the same here too.

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While I appreciate the amount of research and tweaking of details on the coat done by various members, here on this thread, I have to remind people that the coat and its details, especially the height of the collar, was specifically made for the actor's body: height of the neck, face, etc...your personal measurements might completely modify the overall look of said coat. ;)
Right, agreed. The coat's respective dimensions should indeed be scaled to the wearer's measurements. But the patterns themselves should always be the same in terms of proportion.
 
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Right, agreed. The coat's respective dimensions should indeed be scaled to the wearer's measurements. But the patterns themselves should always be the same in terms of proportion.
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I guess you mean something like that right?
I recently increased the pattern, think I nailed it.

Also consider that this one in the pic is only possible because I twisted the collar-lapels model shortly after receiving the coat from SR: the attachment of the base of the right side of the collar is so far forward, that it is inevitable that it will not be the same (then I also straightened out a lot that enormous curvature that it had on the corners, but I think that would not have been enough)
 
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I guess you mean something like that right?
I recently increased the pattern, think I nailed it.

Also consider that this one in the pic is only possible because I twisted the collar-lapels model shortly after receiving the coat from SR: the attachment of the base of the right side of the collar is so far forward, that it is inevitable that it will not be the same (then I also straightened out a lot that enormous curvature that it had on the corners, but I think that would not have been enough)
Yes! Nicely done!
 
Right, agreed. The coat's respective dimensions should indeed be scaled to the wearer's measurements. But the patterns themselves should always be the same in terms of proportion.
Absolutely agree. We are not talking about which height the collar is on a coat that was tailor-made for Ryan Gosling. We are talking about the general patterns.

Thanks for pointing that out, but that's not exactly what I mean. I'm saying that the end of the collar should be tapered, i.e. gradually narrow and not be the same width as at base of the neck.
So you sure mean both ends then? Or just the right / shorter side? The latter option is ruled out because then there would be a height difference in the upward configuration. For the former, I don't think it is tapered, at least not by much. In the movie stills it is maybe hard to make out but on the auction photos you can see that they chose to fold the collar very low to the base. How the right side rests on the shoulder (very flat) gives the impression of a taper. But is it really there?





One crucial difference between the SR and the movie coat collar is the shape. On the SR it is a rectangle, which results in no funnel shape. And when you fold the rectangular collar it will already look different from the movie collar.

On the movie coats the collar is most definitely funnel shaped when worn up which can only be achieved by having the collar curved.



How much curvature you choose determines the how much of the funnel effect you get. And when you fold a curved piece of cloth, the folding line must still be straight (I think, clothing is weird). So that contributes maybe to the impression of a taper.

Furthermore, the costume department used tape and other measures to fix the collar in place and to look a certain way. Confirmed in the auction description.

The most important takeaway for SR regarding collar form is to make it curved.
 
Absolutely agree. We are not talking about which height the collar is on a coat that was tailor-made for Ryan Gosling. We are talking about the general patterns.


So you sure mean both ends then? Or just the right / shorter side? The latter option is ruled out because then there would be a height difference in the upward configuration. For the former, I don't think it is tapered, at least not by much. In the movie stills it is maybe hard to make out but on the auction photos you can see that they chose to fold the collar very low to the base. How the right side rests on the shoulder (very flat) gives the impression of a taper. But is it really there?





One crucial difference between the SR and the movie coat collar is the shape. On the SR it is a rectangle, which results in no funnel shape. And when you fold the rectangular collar it will already look different from the movie collar.

On the movie coats the collar is most definitely funnel shaped when worn up which can only be achieved by having the collar curved.



How much curvature you choose determines the how much of the funnel effect you get. And when you fold a curved piece of cloth, the folding line must still be straight (I think, clothing is weird). So that contributes maybe to the impression of a taper.

Furthermore, the costume department used tape and other measures to fix the collar in place and to look a certain way. Confirmed in the auction description.

The most important takeaway for SR regarding collar form is to make it curved.
Thanks for these fantastic visuals. Yes, I agree, one of SR's biggest problems is that rectangular collar pattern which, among other things, is what makes their short end of collar too big. I do think there's a taper, albeit a very subtle one, but it may just be a case of the collar's inherent curvature as you point out.
 
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Absolutely agree. We are not talking about which height the collar is on a coat that was tailor-made for Ryan Gosling. We are talking about the general patterns.


So you sure mean both ends then? Or just the right / shorter side? The latter option is ruled out because then there would be a height difference in the upward configuration. For the former, I don't think it is tapered, at least not by much. In the movie stills it is maybe hard to make out but on the auction photos you can see that they chose to fold the collar very low to the base. How the right side rests on the shoulder (very flat) gives the impression of a taper. But is it really there?





One crucial difference between the SR and the movie coat collar is the shape. On the SR it is a rectangle, which results in no funnel shape. And when you fold the rectangular collar it will already look different from the movie collar.

On the movie coats the collar is most definitely funnel shaped when worn up which can only be achieved by having the collar curved.



How much curvature you choose determines the how much of the funnel effect you get. And when you fold a curved piece of cloth, the folding line must still be straight (I think, clothing is weird). So that contributes maybe to the impression of a taper.

Furthermore, the costume department used tape and other measures to fix the collar in place and to look a certain way. Confirmed in the auction description.

The most important takeaway for SR regarding collar form is to make it curved.
creating the attachment much further back (without moving the entire collar, I just understood where I could get to without then risking that it would not close on the lower part, I couldn't get to the shoulder like the one in the movie, but I got as close as possible), consequently I also had to redo the left side the same, and then redoing the edge seams, I worried about correcting both the excess size, moreover with excessively curved lines and rounded points at the top of the corners (so with a design with straighter lines), finally apart from all the other many things done internally to create the right shape of the open lapels, on the right side I simply changed the position of the magnets so that they take that shape, and leaving the fold when open to protrude a little, as we discussed some time ago.
I think that the left side of the collar should have a little more length, because when closing it still has a little less height, mine doesn't match the magnet on the base of the right side exactly and in fact it wasn't what I wanted.

Here I recall your pic, showing in yellow the pattern I would give to that collar (the left part must not be 90° angled, but it should extend to the side too on the -way longer- upper length.
The height has little different between front and neck, ok, but the length of the base should be way shorter than the top length of the collar, as every replica already has, but not enough yet: that top length, needs more cm to get it right, even on our SR which is the one who comes larger the most from the producers...it's clear from the propstore images.

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This might be useful for someone looking for a decent SA faux fur.
Now I stay on my recent new position supporting the real shearling choice as a more durable and quality solution, however ovs didn't restocked enough of their women fur coats, here they still have some discounted, but I don't believe I need it anymore, btw they didn't make it available on their website anymore, and this could be a proper, cheaper, maybe quality alternative.
I could even try it in the future, maybe that one wont mattify on the neck since, instead of the others, they sell it as fully washable 30°C and even ironable low temp
 
Yes! Have been waiting for that video. Great to see.

While Propstore sure does a good job screen matching the costumes, they don't seem to get that much more or new information from the costume department than we do. The costumes and props come directly from an archive for sale. When they talk about the color of the coat and that the green color was airbrushed over black canvas, the Propstore guy uses the word "probably" a lot. At least, it sort of checks out with what we have known so far.
 
colorwise I was wrong, because looking at the color here, I would say that the most similar fabric I have seen is the one by Magnoli, but also the waxed one by Mechanismo nailed it (but not the same for any uncoated wsl).
Anyway I don't regret having tweaked it a bit on both my coats making it clearer, now I'm happy to see pleasant looks from the women, no more scared that I could be considered a potential rapist or kinda boogeyman.

The "piping effect" seems a little different from how I intended it, it almost seems like it is given by a certain extra structure that the fabric has (light interlining on all the fabric underneath? it almost seems slightly padded all over, which gives that effect on the seams), even if Adam says it's lightweight.

The nice tight fit (sleeves, shoulders, armpits, hips) of the clean one on the left, seems the same as my SR, pretty snug, so Mechanismo was right.

As has already been said several times, it is very clear that it is not so much the base of the collar that exceeds the lapel on the left below (indeed, practically not at all), it is the upper length of the collar, which is so much longer, that not even SR manages to be so rightly abundant (which is the longest of those I have seen, except for Mechanismo's wsl that managed to have it at least at the needed length), and that would be exactly what was needed.

The longitudinal length seems about the same of my SR.

Lettering on the back: here we can see it's more visible even if subtle, I personally really love how SR made it (and I didn't even want it), it's even more subtle and smooth.

So originally it was simple uncoated black canvas? I like so much the Otter wax finish but eventually...they just painted over it with airbrush with textile acrylics (and it clearly gives waterproof properties and waxy washable finish, the same I did on my bag), probably that's a similar process also done by SR (despite having it a different effect, being twill and maybe a different type of acrylic used)...in fact, the acrylic I used, it holds perfectly on my bag (duck canvas rigid cotton base), and it's been a disaster on my BEP (Jameel's laminated twill, kinda elastic, it doesn't hold and it probably never could, a more skilled and experienced one than me, could have avoided it). Maybe that's what led to the "laminated" definition, meaning that, they avoided the classic bees/paraffin based wax methods, in order to coat the cotton with acrylic painting in the proper way, making it waterproof and with the desired effect...

So also the mistery of that collar in the fog so different, seems to be explained...those detached tape ugly signs...they used tape to keep it held open, then when the tape has been removed to shot the scene in the fog? Look, underneath it seems to come out black! then when you removed the tape did the acrylic paint come off? in fact if it was wax like barbour or otter, it wouldn't have left such an evident sign, because that wax is practically impossible to remove (except maybe destroying the coat by doing at least x2/3 60° o better 90° C washing cycles, I know it since I even tried)...
Movie magic...
 
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Hi guys, just some musings on the video and a few further thoughts.

Color-wise the coat does indeed look dark green and waxed -as Adam underlined in his previous video when undertaking his coat replica some time ago. As to the PropStore rep saying it may be black cotton, spray-painted green, well, who knows... It would have needed to be sprayed on very evenly and, if that's the case, blemishes, cracking and fading would probably been a factor at some point (especially on the stunt coats), which seems to be absent. Needless to say, even Adam seemed pretty bemused by this added bit of information/supposition.

As discussed, SR's coat color very successfully emulates the color grating of the Mesa Trash scenes but doesn't match the color in other scenes because, as is pretty obvious by now, it was simply never the coat's actual color.

Regarding the collar, from the vantage point below, the collar's long side does appear to have curvature and its edge slightly angled, as opposed to being a rectangular extension that is squared off.

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Visually, this also appears to be the case here (an older image of what seems to be the very same coat)

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I guess this issue will never be put to bed until someone actually lays out the collar flat against a table.

Pattern-wise one thing BEP/ELS does get right (and SR and WSL both get wrong) is that the movie coat does not have a side seam coming down from on the lower half of the coat. Kudos to Jameel in this regard.

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Another thing SR seems to do (SR owners please confirm) is that the thread used for stitching does not match the coat's color but is rather a lighter shade. While it looks pretty cool, it's another non-SA detail.

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