Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I think there have been similar shots in other sci-fi franchises.

I seem to recall one from Babylon 5. I have been looking for it on Youtube but can't find it.

Two spring to mind.

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The other is at the end of the teaser of the third season episode "Walkabout". -- of which there are indeed no videos of that bit that I can find. The new Vorlon ambassador arrives and the ship pauses on approach, abruptly goes Z-positive to where Sheridan is "out for a walk" on the forward cargo stablilizers, and shows him its name.

--Jonah

 

[JD]

Kylo Ren can't wait for this movie...

 

[astroboy]

The whole Capitol ship/atmosphere thing isn't about science. It's about plausibility and story telling.

How boring would star trek have been if the enterprise could have landed? All the drama would have been lost without the transporters and shuttles.

The same goes for star wars. The battle of hoth would have been WAY less interesting if the star destroyer simply hovered in front of echo Base and blasted it to hell.

And the other end of it is that suddenly, the gravitational pull becomes a danger for these massive death machines.

I work in theatre and one of the old adages is that a table on stage isn't for sitting at. It's there to prevent characters from attacking or embracing each other too quickly. They have to move around it. They can sit on it. Crawl under it.

And I'd like to point out (imho) the greatest use of gravitational pull as a plot device; the rescue from new Caprica by the Galactica. No one ever saw it coming and it was probably the greatest action sequence I've ever seen on TV.

I was literally jumping up and down in the living room. They were genius enough to use every limitation as part of their plan.

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[JD]

And I'd like to point out (imho) the greatest use of gravitational pull as a plot device; the rescue from new Caprica by the Galactica. No one ever saw it coming and it was probably the greatest action sequence I've ever seen on TV.

Amen - it was perfect. Amazing and so many other adjectives that I can't think of right now. Thank you for posting this... now I must rewatch it.

 

[astroboy]

Amen - it was perfect. Amazing and so many other adjectives that I can't think of right now. Thank you for posting this... now I must rewatch it.

That show was amazing because it was exciting AND it all took place in deep space. There were only a couple of times where thee dogfights had real world things to navigate. We need deep space back in star wars!!!

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[The Wook]

And I'd like to point out (imho) the greatest use of gravitational pull as a plot device; the rescue from new Caprica by the Galactica. No one ever saw it coming and it was probably the greatest action sequence I've ever seen on TV.

I was literally jumping up and down in the living room. They were genius enough to use every limitation as part of their plan.

Link please? Or episode title?

The Wook

 

[astroboy]

Link please? Or episode title?

The Wook

Did you watch the show? If not, I will find a clip and then give you the back story.

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[firesprite]

Every time I see her falling, the fire on her belly, the Viper's launching... It's a frakking thing of beauty!

 

[The Wook]

Did you watch the show? If not, I will find a clip and then give you the back story.

What's it called and I'll tell you if I've seen it.

 

[astroboy]

What's it called and I'll tell you if I've seen it.

Exodus part 2

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[astroboy]

Every time I see her falling, the fire on her belly, the Viper's launching... It's a frakking thing of beauty!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdkCpnGMyGw

It only fell for like. 10 seconds but it was such a game changer. I think I can safely say that it was the best starship maneuver I've ever seen.

And the falcon coming out of warp in atmosphere was such a pale ripoff.

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[The Wook]

Exodus part 2

Yes, but it's been many years since I watched the series. So I couldn't remember specifically what you were alluding to.

The Wook

 

[JD]

That's something that bugged me in TFA and now again in Rogue One... X-Wings in atmosphere. In the OT we didn't have this - on Hoth, the Rebels had to use Snow Speeders and the Imperial Army used no air combat. I'm sure there could be a tremendous amount of reasons that could be created why X-Wings or TIE Fighters were not used... but, the most basic reasoning was that they were not made or meant for atmospheric flight. (This would also mean that the Death Star trenches did not have gravity or atmosphere... which, isn't real clear).

I'd guess that in TFA, JJ and crew wanted to keep it to simple and basic - and basics means X-Wings and TIE Fighters, so that's what we got - TIEs and X-Wings zipping around on planets like they were flight capable despite little to suggest they're aerodynamically capable. Yeah - we can concoct different reasons for them having flight ability, but that doesn't change that they did not do this in the OT.

But, now that I do think about it - there was a brief TIE vs Falcon bit on Bespin. With Cloud City so high and protected, I'm not sure if that applies... but, it does show an exception to this - and both the Falcon and the TIEs seem unlikely candidates for lift (AT-AT's had dropships to deploy them).

It seems repulsors are the reason this is possible - but, the maneuverability just seems crazy. I liked it better when Star Wars kept the starships in space.

Which brings us to Rogue One with more TIE and X-Wings flying around in non-space... and a Star Destroyer looking like it was hovering in the atmosphere. Which sets up a whole 'nother set of questions - mostly, why didn't they do this at the beginning of ANH? ....and how much power would that take?

It's not like this going to hurt my fun with any of it.

 

[astroboy]

JJ can't direct space. That's what's going on. The choreography of a dogfight is not intense on it's own. There must also be obstacles and collateral damage.

When Finn tells Rey to stay close to the ground because it messes with their sensors, he just means that space isn't as thrilling.

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[firesprite]

That's something that bugged me in TFA and now again in Rogue One... X-Wings in atmosphere. In the OT we didn't have this - on Hoth, the Rebels had to use Snow Speeders and the Imperial Army used no air combat. I'm sure there could be a tremendous amount of reasons that could be created why X-Wings or TIE Fighters were not used... but, the most basic reasoning was that they were not made or meant for atmospheric flight. (This would also mean that the Death Star trenches did not have gravity or atmosphere... which, isn't real clear).

I'd guess that in TFA, JJ and crew wanted to keep it to simple and basic - and basics means X-Wings and TIE Fighters, so that's what we got - TIEs and X-Wings zipping around on planets like they were flight capable despite little to suggest they're aerodynamically capable. Yeah - we can concoct different reasons for them having flight ability, but that doesn't change that they did not do this in the OT.

But, now that I do think about it - there was a brief TIE vs Falcon bit on Bespin. With Cloud City so high and protected, I'm not sure if that applies... but, it does show an exception to this - and both the Falcon and the TIEs seem unlikely candidates for lift (AT-AT's had dropships to deploy them).

It seems repulsors are the reason this is possible - but, the maneuverability just seems crazy. I liked it better when Star Wars kept the starships in space.

Which brings us to Rogue One with more TIE and X-Wings flying around in non-space... and a Star Destroyer looking like it was hovering in the atmosphere. Which sets up a whole 'nother set of questions - mostly, why didn't they do this at the beginning of ANH? ....and how much power would that take?

It's not like this going to hurt my fun with any of it.

JJ is far from the first to have Ties and X-Wings flying in planetary atmospheres. I know people bitch when the EU is cited, but the fact of the matter is that the EU was considered canon by Lucas for many years before Disney came along.

 

[astroboy]

JJ is far from the first to have Ties and X-Wings flying in planetary atmospheres. I know people bitch when the EU is cited, but the fact of the matter is that the EU was considered canon by Lucas for many years before Disney came along.

I'm not questioning their ability. I'm complaining about his directing.

Look at his star trek films. Both of them centred around saving earth. Heck, the second one started in water and ended up crashing in san fransisco


Let's put the space back in space!

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[Darth Lars]

The other is at the end of the teaser of the third season episode "Walkabout". -- of which there are indeed no videos of that bit that I can find. The new Vorlon ambassador arrives and the ship pauses on approach, abruptly goes Z-positive to where Sheridan is "out for a walk" on the forward cargo stablilizers, and shows him its name.

That's the one that the shot in the R1 trailer reminded me of. Alone on a high platform, open to the elements/space and a hostile/alien ship moves up to the platform: close-up, vulnerability. It would have been easy for the pilot of the ship to blow the hero away.

I found it in the beginning of this "music video".

 

[JD]

JJ is far from the first to have Ties and X-Wings flying in planetary atmospheres. I know people bitch when the EU is cited, but the fact of the matter is that the EU was considered canon by Lucas for many years before Disney came along.

Sorry - if it's not on the big screen, it doesn't count. They wiped out the EU once, they can do it again...

 

[Darth Lars]

I don't mind X-wings and TIE fighters flying in atmosphere. We saw both doing that in the OT.
But I don't think that TIE fighters should be able to fly well in atmosphere, and they should not be able to land. Those "wings" are neither control fins nor landing structs but flimsy solar panels that are easily blasted off... They are launched from racks on carrier ships, not from the ground.

And BTW. The reason why X-wings were not used to repel the land assault on Hoth was because the few X-wings there were were used for escorting transports.
T-47s are not capable of flying in space. (Family Guy is not canon )

 

[firesprite]

I don't mind X-wings and TIE fighters flying in atmosphere. We saw both doing that in the OT.
But I don't think that TIE fighters should be able to fly well in atmosphere, and they should not be able to land. Those "wings" are neither control fins nor landing structs but flimsy solar panels that are easily blasted off... They are launched from racks on carrier ships, not from the ground.

And BTW. The reason why X-wings were not used to repel the land assault on Hoth was because the few X-wings there were were used for escorting transports.
T-47s are not capable of flying in space. (Family Guy is not canon )

Thinking about it, you're right. X-Wings were taking off and landing directly at the Yavin-4 base, so atmospheric flight there. Off the top of my head, I don't remember Ties flying in atmo in the OT.