Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)
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Master Boda
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I hope we never see Japan cater to western audiences as Japan would have to A. dumb down their movies and B. censor their movies.
Back on topic new trailer looks awesome can't wait.
JLeezy23
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They use the faux grav modules, reverse them and stick em on the bottom of ships, BOOM anti grav modules!
Not a fan of showing large ships in the astmosphere. I think a Star Destroyer should stay in orbit and would not be capable
of that but oh well. Sort of established in the prequels I guess.
of that but oh well. Sort of established in the prequels I guess.
Why the problem if you have Anti-gravity and a ship that's built around a Bigass Fusion reactor, then hanging 1 foot or 100 miles above a planet is exactly the same expenditure of energy.
BTW We have Proven the existence of Gravitons and Monopoles. We are now working on artificially creating and harnessing them.
BTW We have Proven the existence of Gravitons and Monopoles. We are now working on artificially creating and harnessing them.
So many... interesting... reactions to the new trailer. A couple points:
Ironically, this is one of the things I like. I haven't really been impressed/inspired by any of Williams' music in about twenty years. He keeps borrowing from himself in too many unsubtle ways and I feel his creative spark is getting tired. I would love to see some student of William's music woth with him on these new films to get a nice blending of youthful vigor and his thought processes.
Nooo... This is not Episode III. This is outside that sequence. The end of this one just happens to dovetail with the beginning of Episode IV of the main saga, but it is not required to. Tha's actually about my sole complaint with the "Stories" monicker. I'd rather see this and the Obi-Wan film inserted and the subsequent films renumbered, so it's a consistent narrative throughout, with one episode's cliffhanger leading into the opening of the next episode -- as was done with the serials that inspired this whole thing.
Zero photon torpedoes. That's Star Trek. Two proton torpedoes.
I'm not going to quote aaaaaallllll the stuff about science and when/where it takes place and Star Destroyers in atmo, and just sum it up with these three bullet points:
- Setting... The original draft was "another galaxy, another time". Intended to be evocative of the "once upon a time" and such of fairy tales and Tolkien and the Bible and the Iliad and such that would convey "back before we had records, but it happened -- honest!" Back in the early-to-mid-'80s, fans with even more time on their hands than us jointly settled on a few factors: outside the Local Group was just too far away; we see it's a spiral galaxy in TESB; Han Solo has flown from one end of known space to the other and is only in his 30s, plus the trips between stars don't seem to take more than a few hours in hyperspace... And eventually decided the Triangulum Galaxy -- M33 -- was a good candidate. Three million light-years away, thus orders of magnitude beyond any star in our own galaxy, and small enough for the seeming size constraints. Still has a good forty billion stars, though.
Beyond that has been debate over whether the events in the films took place three billion years ago, and we're only receiving it now because of the speed of light, or if they happened more recently, and Artoo and Threepio came here on a ship carrying the records of events with them. I prefer the latter.
- Science... Thanks to Obi-Wan's comment in the original film, we know interstellar space travel has been an established thing in the Star Wars galaxy for a good thirty thousand years or more. By contrast, Star Trek is only about three hundred years with FTL tech. That's a hundredfold difference. Not even apples to oranges. More... prehistoric fern to genetically-engineered tomato. All the tech in Star Wars is plausible and explainable -- even the Force -- except artificial gravity, cuz we still don't even really know what gravity is, let alone how to manipulate it. Take that as a given, though, with their ability to not only have a.g. on ships and stations, but at odd angles to itself (Death Star shell versus interior decks, the Falcon's main deck versus its gun turrets, etc.), and the ability to project and attract said tech with fine focus (tractor beams and repulsorlifts). It's so reliable, it's taken for granted and not even thought about, like sentient robots and such. So...
- Star Destroyers in atmo... All the way back to Han Solo at Stars' End, there have been capital ships in outer atmo and low orbit. The Force Unleashed, in the early 2000s, gave us this, though, in its promo art:
...And I had no problem with that. It was an awe-inspiring image, and what we've seen of the repulsorlift tech doesn't put it outside the realm of possibility for me at all. Seems the sort of thing that the Empire would do -- throw enough tech at the issue that you overwhelm it. "If brute force doesn't solve your problem, you're not using enough." It's just like them to set out to make even such concerns as gravity utterly their bitch. Makes landing troops and walkers and tanks in force much easier.
--Jonah
Ironically, this is one of the things I like. I haven't really been impressed/inspired by any of Williams' music in about twenty years. He keeps borrowing from himself in too many unsubtle ways and I feel his creative spark is getting tired. I would love to see some student of William's music woth with him on these new films to get a nice blending of youthful vigor and his thought processes.
Nooo... This is not Episode III. This is outside that sequence. The end of this one just happens to dovetail with the beginning of Episode IV of the main saga, but it is not required to. Tha's actually about my sole complaint with the "Stories" monicker. I'd rather see this and the Obi-Wan film inserted and the subsequent films renumbered, so it's a consistent narrative throughout, with one episode's cliffhanger leading into the opening of the next episode -- as was done with the serials that inspired this whole thing.
TWO photon torpedoes.
Zero photon torpedoes. That's Star Trek. Two proton torpedoes.
I'm not going to quote aaaaaallllll the stuff about science and when/where it takes place and Star Destroyers in atmo, and just sum it up with these three bullet points:
- Setting... The original draft was "another galaxy, another time". Intended to be evocative of the "once upon a time" and such of fairy tales and Tolkien and the Bible and the Iliad and such that would convey "back before we had records, but it happened -- honest!" Back in the early-to-mid-'80s, fans with even more time on their hands than us jointly settled on a few factors: outside the Local Group was just too far away; we see it's a spiral galaxy in TESB; Han Solo has flown from one end of known space to the other and is only in his 30s, plus the trips between stars don't seem to take more than a few hours in hyperspace... And eventually decided the Triangulum Galaxy -- M33 -- was a good candidate. Three million light-years away, thus orders of magnitude beyond any star in our own galaxy, and small enough for the seeming size constraints. Still has a good forty billion stars, though.
Beyond that has been debate over whether the events in the films took place three billion years ago, and we're only receiving it now because of the speed of light, or if they happened more recently, and Artoo and Threepio came here on a ship carrying the records of events with them. I prefer the latter.
- Science... Thanks to Obi-Wan's comment in the original film, we know interstellar space travel has been an established thing in the Star Wars galaxy for a good thirty thousand years or more. By contrast, Star Trek is only about three hundred years with FTL tech. That's a hundredfold difference. Not even apples to oranges. More... prehistoric fern to genetically-engineered tomato. All the tech in Star Wars is plausible and explainable -- even the Force -- except artificial gravity, cuz we still don't even really know what gravity is, let alone how to manipulate it. Take that as a given, though, with their ability to not only have a.g. on ships and stations, but at odd angles to itself (Death Star shell versus interior decks, the Falcon's main deck versus its gun turrets, etc.), and the ability to project and attract said tech with fine focus (tractor beams and repulsorlifts). It's so reliable, it's taken for granted and not even thought about, like sentient robots and such. So...
- Star Destroyers in atmo... All the way back to Han Solo at Stars' End, there have been capital ships in outer atmo and low orbit. The Force Unleashed, in the early 2000s, gave us this, though, in its promo art:
...And I had no problem with that. It was an awe-inspiring image, and what we've seen of the repulsorlift tech doesn't put it outside the realm of possibility for me at all. Seems the sort of thing that the Empire would do -- throw enough tech at the issue that you overwhelm it. "If brute force doesn't solve your problem, you're not using enough." It's just like them to set out to make even such concerns as gravity utterly their bitch. Makes landing troops and walkers and tanks in force much easier.
--Jonah
Wolfsburg
Master Member
I hated that in TFU but it had never been truly canon til Rebels. I didnt have a problem with the means by which they do it but rather the idea that such a huge ship could structurally withstand such gravitational forces. It's a moot point now and I accept it for whatever it's worth.
Not really... Vader told Ozzel to "Make ready to land our troops outside the energy shield." Veers later told Vader, "The shield will be down in moments. YOu may start your landing." Neither specified via what means. Various Star Wars writers and artists have contributed their own interpretations over the years, from Star Destroyers landing directly (improbable) to larger-scale versions of what we saw in the Battle of Geonosis -- craft that ferried platoons of Stormtroopers down, and roughly similar craft that carried walkers down to deploy. Vader presumably came down in a shuttle or one of the second-wave assault craft.
--Jonah
We see an upside down Death Star over Jedah and then a shot of Krenik walking through an observation room filled with officers and Jedah is out the window upside down. Perhaps they are all gathering to witness a firing test? Mon Motha said there was going to be a test.
JoMamma_Smurf
Master Member
The test ends up being Alderan.
Come on guys. I like my Star Wars for my "fantasy" and my Star Trek for my "science". Let's leave it at that.
For me, the former does not preclude the latter. You don't have to explain everything, but if you (the maker) know the scientific underpinnings of the universe you're building -- conjectural, theoretical, demonstrated, practical, Newtonian, Einsteinian, or other -- it helps build a believable space for the stories to take place in without needing to belabor it for the audience. I know how to build a lightsaber. Our technology is nowhere near where it needs to be to be able to do so, but I know how. Is it necessary to understand or enjoy Star Wars? Not at all. But the fact that it's plausible gives it just that extra shading of reality that lets me (at least) enjoy it that little bit more. Multiply that out to all the things that populate the setting, and I'm a happy camper, indeed.
Here's the thing... What makes fantasy... fantasy? The best definition I've run across is that it's a world that could exist/have existed, but doesn't/didn't (or at least we think so). Having the science at least theoretically work in Star Wars, as a backdrop for the people and events, is no different than the political and technological structure of Tolkien's Middle-Earth or Eddings' Elenium or Donaldson's Land or Howard's Hy(per)boean Age, etc., etc. Those people and events didn't exist... but they could have, just might have. Take away the verisimilistic scaffold, and that illusion suffers.
--Jonah
I liked that the Prequel ships could be used as landers. However, at least in the old EU, the Victory Star Destroyer was the smallest ship that could enter atmosphere. There's no way an Imperial class ISD should be able to unless they're changing it. In the old EU some ships did enter atmosphere, but they had a cradle of repulsorlifts that aided their own.
I really really really liked the shoulder launched torpedo!!! Well I'm assuming torpedo because the EU versions were. I just hope at this point they are in short supply, but these guys got access to the good stuff for this mission. I think this is the first time, apart from The Clone Wars, where these have been used on screen (and not games/books).
I cannot wait for this one! I think it will take a lot to screw this up. BTW, that shot where the TIE hovers in front of her, wasn't there a shot like this in a game, The Force Unleashed or something?
That was commented on a couple pages back. Vader was riding his TIE Advanced in a similarly-framed shot in Rebels not too long ago:
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JLeezy23
Sr Member
Alderaan is the test when the station is fully operational, I'd like to imagine the DS has a lot more guns and serves more than just a space decoration throughout this entire film. It may have cannons under its panels, it may deploy heavily armed ships directly to the planet they're battling. I'm for sure hoping it has more action and we see it partially sabotaged/disarmed and is a part of the Rebel First Victory.
As for the "science" to SW, come on... magicians use flashlights powered by rocks as weapons. It doesn't need an explanation if it looks amazingly badaas IMO
Darth Lars
Master Member
I think there have been similar shots in other sci-fi franchises.
I seem to recall one from Babylon 5. I have been looking for it on Youtube but can't find it.
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