Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)

[JD]

Question. Why would Snoke being a Sith be a bad thing? I don't get it.

I'm of the opposite feeling - Snoke and Kylo not being Sith seems more like the filmmakers are saying "oh, this isn't just us rehashing the old stuff. They're not Sith." Yet, they look like Sith, act like Sith...

The Jedi and Sith have been at it for long time in the Star Wars universe. If they're going to bring back everything else like they have - they may as well bring the Sith back, too.

Maybe we will get something new and exciting from Snoke, Kylo and the Knights of Ren in the upcoming films. But, so far they're just Sith under the idea that they're not.

 

[cboath]

The sith is all the movies have given as bad guys. Period. That's where that comes from.

Simply due to the law of averages, there have to have been force users throughout the galaxy who used their powers for borederline, nefarious, and downright evil that are not sith. So, yes, they are out there. By the same token, if palpatine and vader were the last sith - there are still their teachings and records out there in multiple locations for others to find and them adopt.

One of the things that gets me with rebels is them saying Ashoka isn't a jedi and Kanan wasn't because they never had the title conferred upon them. if you want to get picky - neither did luke. He beat vader and said 'i'm a jedi'. That aside, you don't get conferred officially or quit, but still use the powers and teachings, then you're a jedi. Saying otherwise is splitting hairs.

Snoke doesn't have to be an official sith, but I think he has to have powers otherwise Kylo would just kill him off unless he's holding the teaching aspect over his head to keep him in line.

 

[JD]

Movies and expanded universe stuff are two different things. If a TV character pops up in a movie, then it's fair game. If the filmmakers decide something works in a movie - they're going to use it, even if it means breaking what might be established in the EU.

 

[Jaitea]

The sith is all the movies have given as bad guys. Period. That's where that comes from.

Simply due to the law of averages, there have to have been force users throughout the galaxy who used their powers for borederline, nefarious, and downright evil that are not sith. So, yes, they are out there. By the same token, if palpatine and vader were the last sith - there are still their teachings and records out there in multiple locations for others to find and them adopt.

One of the things that gets me with rebels is them saying Ashoka isn't a jedi and Kanan wasn't because they never had the title conferred upon them. if you want to get picky - neither did luke. He beat vader and said 'i'm a jedi'. That aside, you don't get conferred officially or quit, but still use the powers and teachings, then you're a jedi. Saying otherwise is splitting hairs.

Snoke doesn't have to be an official sith, but I think he has to have powers otherwise Kylo would just kill him off unless he's holding the teaching aspect over his head to keep him in line.

YODANo more training do you require. Already know you that which you need.

Yoda sighs, and lies back on his bed.

LUKE
Then I am a Jedi?

YODA (shakes his head)
Ohhh. Not yet. One thing remains: Vader. You must confront Vader. Then,
only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will.

J

 

[cboath]

Kinda sorta I guess.

Problem is 'Confront' is never really defined in the context leaving luke to proclaim his success or failure. He could of snuck up behind vader and tripped him and run away and say 'i confronted him, therefore i'm a jedi'. Had he watched the fight, Yoda might not have awarded him the title since he used his anger to defeat vader and then at the end opted to not kill him. Again, it was left to luke to decide if he succeeded or not.

 

[Treadwell]

I hope there is no Snoke tie-in. Let a side story be a side story.

 

[Jaitea]

I'm kinda hoping that if there IS any tie in to the ST,.....it would be perhaps Max Von Sydow's character

J

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

If he is not a Sith, how could he complete Kylo's training?

Ben read one of those tiny ads on the last page of a comic book a lá "You wanna become badass? Then order now! 10 issues for just 99,99 credits! You are going to gain weight, muscles, self confidence! Girls will love you! You won´t be bullied anymore! Order now via 555-HTIS-AEMOCEB! Success guaranteed or money back !!!" And Snoke for sure does not accept returns!

 

[karmajay]

Er the Sith and Jedi are really "institutions". They train you up and you are part of the group. The Dathomir witches used the dark side and were not sith for example. Ahsoka left the order so she is no longer a jedi even though she still has that knowledge. If someone leaves the military and becomes a cop do we still call that person a military person?

 

[Paul Andrew]

I'm kinda hoping that if there IS any tie in to the ST,.....it would be perhaps Max Von Sydow's character

J

I mentioned a while back that perhaps Mads Mikkelsen could play a younger version of Lor San Tekka, but snippets of interviews released since then don't seem to point that way.

 

[blakeh1]

So is Snoke not being a Sith like the Star Trek into darkness villain not being Khan?

remember when http://www.cinemablend.com/new/J-J-Abrams-Denies-Rumors-Khan-Star-Trek-Sequel-28175.html

 

[Father]

Er the Sith and Jedi are really "institutions". They train you up and you are part of the group. The Dathomir witches used the dark side and were not sith for example. Ahsoka left the order so she is no longer a jedi even though she still has that knowledge. If someone leaves the military and becomes a cop do we still call that person a military person?

We still call former presidents "president", don't we?

Luke called himself a Jedi... and he was the only one. He wasn't part of the Order or anything.
I think Jedi is more of a title, like "gamer" or "athlete".

 

[Tan Djarka]

"I am a Jedi, like my father before me."

Since Anakin was given a seat on the Jedi council but wasn't granted the rank of "master", and Luke, while trained by Yoda, also never really achieved "master" status either, technically the statement is true. He is, however, a Jedi as far as the new Jedi order is concerned, as I'm sure they (will) have different standards.

 

[karmajay]

Right, IMO Luke is a jedi because he is being trained in the jedi ways by Yoda, who has trained many people in the jedi ways. It is a continuation of the training and organization.

Anyway, this is definitely a thing people have to agree to disagree on.

 

[kristen jones]

I'm of the opposite feeling - Snoke and Kylo not being Sith seems more like the filmmakers are saying "oh, this isn't just us rehashing the old stuff. They're not Sith." Yet, they look like Sith, act like Sith...

The Jedi and Sith have been at it for long time in the Star Wars universe. If they're going to bring back everything else like they have - they may as well bring the Sith back, too.

Maybe we will get something new and exciting from Snoke, Kylo and the Knights of Ren in the upcoming films. But, so far they're just Sith under the idea that they're not.

I believe the answer to this is that Snoke follows a different paradigm than the Sith. I expect he sees weakness in both the Jedi and the Sith's extreme positions. i imagine that he believes the true power of the Force is in having the best of both combined into one package... which he believes is Kylo Ren; born of the Dark AND the Light.

The Sith would never tolerate entertaining any use of power from the Light Side, just as the Jedi would not tolerate the use of the Dark Side. They both hold extreme ideologies, and I think Snoke aims to shoot through the middle with Kylo Ren.

Incidentally, i believe that Luke feels much the same way...which should make things interesting.

But just because you have someone (Kylo) who is obsessed with his Grandfather--and so tries to emulate him--does not mean he actually *IS* a Sith (though I am certain that he thinks of himself that way) and the fact that Snoke is a Master Manipulator does not make him a Sith by default, either.

 

[Krull]

I dunno there could be some people from TFA in this as I could see someone being a young nobody who made a move after the Empire had to reorganize after Vader and Palpy's death,as far as Snoke goes he had to come from somewheres and I don't doubt he was around in the days of ANH but I'd prefer as I said some small fry who went large.

Maybe he could be an Imperial cataloger who was going through the Jedi records and decided he could do better then either of them.....

 

[mattycsi]

I believe the answer to this is that Snoke follows a different paradigm than the Sith. I expect he sees weakness in both the Jedi and the Sith's extreme positions. i imagine that he believes the true power of the Force is in having the best of both combined into one package... which he believes is Kylo Ren; born of the Dark AND the Light.

The Sith would never tolerate entertaining any use of power from the Light Side, just as the Jedi would not tolerate the use of the Dark Side. They both hold extreme ideologies, and I think Snoke aims to shoot through the middle with Kylo Ren.

Incidentally, i believe that Luke feels much the same way...which should make things interesting.

This is what I'm thinking. Looking back at the prequels, Annakin and the rest of the Jedi all wanted peace, and were all working towards that end. But Annakin's idea was to force peace by by keeping people subdued through fear and superior fire power.

Theres a lot of ideology can be explored in that grey space.

 

[Krull]

One thing I keep going back to is all the hoo-ha from the prequels to the original films about either Anakin or Luke "being the one" who would bring balance to the force and if you think about it the force ain't balanced if you have one side winning,balance implies there's a use for both sides or you need to wipe both sides out so.....

Also I still find it funny that after Endor things not only didn't settle out they got worst so maybe the force has had it and is taking matters into it's own hands (so to speak) maybe like I said the force won't be balanced until both the Sith and the Jedi are gone.

 

[RougeAvenger81]

I for once have to agree with JD. I would prefer if Kylo and Snoke were "The Knights of Ren" and not Sith. Dark force users that pull from the sith teachings, but aren't the generic rehash of what's been done. In a way, I always though Luke as simply a very strong force user. Not a Jedi in the typical sense.

 

[Bryancd]

I for once have to agree with JD. I would prefer if Kylo and Snoke were "The Knights of Ren" and not Sith. Dark force users that pull from the sith teachings, but aren't the generic rehash of what's been done. In a way, I always though Luke as simply a very strong force user. Not a Jedi in the typical sense.

But that's what he is suggesting, that the Knights of Ren are just Sith by a different name. I'm with @kristenhenry70, Snoke isn't as dogmatic as the Sith, he's a Force sensitive opportunist.