Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)

[JediMichael]

Whoa, they do look the same. I would have thought it was the same actor but older.

 

[Wolfsburg]

Agreed. The slight problem is how did the Empire build (most of) a new bigger and better Death Star in just the next 2-3 years?



(Not that I'm a fan of applying too much real-world logic to Star Wars). Was this ever answered in the old EU?

Not sure if this is my own head canon or EU canon but I assumed they probably started the DSII a few years after starting the first one. In other words, it was under construction even as the events of ANH unfolded.

 

[KrangPrime]

Not sure if this is my own head canon or EU canon but I assumed they probably started the DSII a few years after starting the first one. In other words, it was under construction even as the events of ANH unfolded.

Buy one, get one free?

I kind of wish they'd implement the 'maw' idea where all these super weapons where supposedly built up.

I know i'm getting my EU things mixed up recently, but as I recall, the image in my head of what the description said it looked like could make a neat visual ;o)

 

[JediMichael]

There is that possibility that they started years before on building it, but I've also read somewhere that in the DSII, they fixed the part with the port hole...which if made before ANH, would have had the same problem. Its debatable I guess. But very unrealistic to build another in just a few years.

 

[dascoyne]

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" What will you become? "

Now obviously that delivered line and the showcased scene with Jyn in the TIE Fighter pilot uniform are from two different occasions. But it seems to be intended as foreshadowing or likely even as a misdirection.

Jyn is likely seen as someone who is infiltrating and going undercover once she dons the TIE Fighter costume and helmet. But does anyone sees the possibility of her character switching sides? She is intended to be kinda reckless, so maybe she is influenced by the dark side or by the Empire's propaganda.

We have seen people switching sides before and now a Rebel fighter joining the Empire during a moment of weakness could be unexpected.

I hope there's the possibility of her defecting to the Empire because it makes her character that much richer, but I feel like it's just misdirection.

And, if she were to defect, remember it doesn't have to have anything to do with "The dark side" - in fact it shouldn't. Sometimes it's easy to forget that the Empire is not an oligarchy based on "The dark side of the Force." It's a galacto-political (?) entity. Leave the Force out of this movie. Jedi are not welcome in this film.

 

[Vivek]

Yep, though Vader and the Emperor might make an appearance, I figured there are no Jedi in the movie and hence it's more so the Empire she could be siding with.

 

[mistymills]

I think not having Force users is a great idea. The plight of the everyday people is an interesting fresh take. It's one aspect that inspired me in my webseries.

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[tcsmit29]

My only problem with Rey was that she did things physically that were too advanced for a Force-sensitive person who's had zero training. Some of you counter by saying she was a conduit for the Force, but I think that's a cheap explanation, if in fact that's the explanation we're given in the next episode.

And also in the case of the Force, but again, my problem was that Rey was perfect in every way, and despite having had no training, she bested a near-Sith Lord in a duel with a weapon she'd never wielded before in her life. I don't care that he was injured, nor that he'd spent energy fighting off Finn. It was utterly ridiculous for her to win that duel. It was also ridiculous that Finn--a man *without* the Force--was able to last 2 seconds with Ren.)

I guess the problem here is that Rey is pretty much still a mystery. I think that this was done deliberately to have a reveal for episode 8, however it seems to have backlashed with this Mary Sue crap. We have no info about her except that she was left on Jakku as a child and has had to fend for herself as she grew up. Now we see her using these force abilities and it seems to far out of left field for us. You say she's had zero training. We simply do't know that at this point. Perhaps she has had some training in the past. She knew who Luke Skywalker was. She immediately recognized a lightsaber when she saw it. These things are occurring at a point in the saga when common people don't remember Jedi or at least think they were a myth.

Perhaps she had some training in the past that was repressed, maybe to protect her. Maybe Kylo unwittingly unlocked these repressed abilities when he was monkeying around inside her head. That's what seemed to happen to me.

You say that she was perfect in every way. When it took three tries to use the mind trick on the stormtrooper. You say that she bested a near Sith-lord with a weapon she never used in her life. I say she barely bested an emo twerp with a hole in his side, who btw was not fully trained as stated in the film.

I don't buy the conduit for the force explanation for her abilities either. She had clearly lost the duel, until she closed her eyes and concentrated to focus on the force. Then she came back and beat Kylo, presumedly because she was "using the force". We have seen Luke do this before also, an example was when the Wampa was coming and his lightsaber was lodged in the ice.

Not a Mary Sue, just answers that don't have yet.

Hopefully, answers will be coming with episode 8. Will Luke say to her, "Who are you and what the heck are you doing on my island?" or will he say "Hey Rey, nice to see you again."

 

[Bryancd]

I guess the problem here is that Rey is pretty much still a mystery. I think that this was done deliberately to have a reveal for episode 8, however it seems to have backlashed with this Mary Sue crap. We have no info about her except that she was left on Jakku as a child and has had to fend for herself as she grew up. Now we see her using these force abilities and it seems to far out of left field for us. You say she's had zero training. We simply do't know that at this point. Perhaps she has had some training in the past. She knew who Luke Skywalker was. She immediately recognized a lightsaber when she saw it. These things are occurring at a point in the saga when common people don't remember Jedi or at least think they were a myth.

Perhaps she had some training in the past that was repressed, maybe to protect her. Maybe Kylo unwittingly unlocked these repressed abilities when he was monkeying around inside her head. That's what seemed to happen to me.

You say that she was perfect in every way. When it took three tries to use the mind trick on the stormtrooper. You say that she bested a near Sith-lord with a weapon she never used in her life. I say she barely bested an emo twerp with a hole in his side, who btw was not fully trained as stated in the film.

I don't buy the conduit for the force explanation for her abilities either. She had clearly lost the duel, until she closed her eyes and concentrated to focus on the force. Then she came back and beat Kylo, presumedly because she was "using the force". We have seen Luke do this before also, an example was when the Wampa was coming and his lightsaber was lodged in the ice.

Not a Mary Sue, just answers that don't have yet.

Hopefully, answers will be coming with episode 8. Will Luke say to her, "Who are you and what the heck are you doing on my island?" or will he say "Hey Rey, nice to see you again."

Thank you. We have been trying to explain this simple point since Dec. 18th. Apparently there are people here so versed in the Force they know the specificity of how it needs to be trained.

 

[Guy Cowen]

I'm not sure whats happened but seems like there're people around here that seriously have issues with life itself!!!!!

I'm so bored of the inane rants by people over the nonsense and nebulous ramblings of the total mess thats in their heads that it makes me ashamed to be part of the same species !!!

Go and put the time you spend on here ranting about absolute TOSH into your families, instead of moaning that a woman has something cool to do in real life and in fiction....honestly go take your moms out and talk to your kids, ask em how their day was and go play with them ...build some models or props or even better teach someone something about something they love ....but seriously just do something about your attitude towards life.....and be thankful that not all our species are like you...this is directed to all that feel victimised by its words...


Honestly just go and spend more time with your closest family and stay off the internet for a bit, please?

 

[Wes R]

I have no issue with female lead characters and would love there to be as few Jedi as possible in the film, that trailer just made the move look so unappealing and that's part of the problem for me. It was far less impressive a trailer compared to Episode 7's trailers.

 

[mistymills]

Probably because it wasn't a trailer, it was a teaser?

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[Stormie]

This is gonna be the stars movie I was hoping for. Those death squad troopers are pretty awesome!

 

[ProfKSergeev]

So Disney has either invented time travel or human cloning.

This hit me on a subliminal level and took me a while to figure out, but Alistair Petrie's character, seen with Mon Mothma has an uncanny resemblance to Admiral Motti:


http://i.imgur.com/k3eGcP2l.jpg

 

[B-Movie Zombie]

Maybe the reason it take 20 years to complete the Death Star has to do with Vader's line from ANH - "There will be no one to stop us this time." Could he be referring to a group the stolen the DS plans and cause some damage to the DS?

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[OldKen]

That is a damn good point B! I think that is more than possible.

As for Rey... Her cousin left her on Jakku. I didn't connect the dots the first viewing...

It's pretty plain as day.

She WAS trained.

She is ridiculously strong in the force.

Too bad her cousin has the power to get in people's heads and rewire them a bit... So she doesn't remember being ripped away and hidden from the purge of the last jedi temple.

Maybe the reason it take 20 years to complete the Death Star has to do with Vader's line from ANH - "There will be no one to stop us this time." Could he be referring to a group the stolen the DS plans and cause some damage to the DS?

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[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

As far as Death Star-y things go... I will point out that in the real world the prototype always takes forever. Successive builds are faster and cheaper. The prototype always shows up flaws that got missed in the planning/design stage, actual-use stresses can be more than projected and systems or components will need to be uprated or supplemented... And so on and so on. I have no problem with the superlaser framework seen in ROTS. We have practically no context for what portion of the Death Star that framework was. The cross-section from the EU seems to still be valid -- that the station consists largely of stacked levels inside, with a shell of onion-like layers making the outer skin. If the ROTS framework is the bit within which the flat levels will go and onto which the outer "city sprawl" will be attached, that leaves a shallow hole for the superlaser, and that framework in the shape of it would make the supporting backdrop and power connections for what we see plugging into it in the teaser.

As for the Maw Installation... In the EU the Death Star was never built there -- just designed there. A partial test model was constructed and abandoned in place before construction of the actual station commenced over the prison planet unoriginally named Despayre.

I just like the fact that we as fans know the "weapons test" Mon Mothma refers to will end up being the destruction of Alderaan. "Weapons test". *snort* Under. Statement.

--Jonah

 

[Halliwax]

As far as Death Star-y things go... I will point out that in the real world the prototype always takes forever. Successive builds are faster and cheaper. The prototype always shows up flaws that got missed in the planning/design stage, actual-use stresses can be more than projected and systems or components will need to be uprated or supplemented... And so on and so on. I have no problem with the superlaser framework seen in ROTS. We have practically no context for what portion of the Death Star that framework was. The cross-section from the EU seems to still be valid -- that the station consists largely of stacked levels inside, with a shell of onion-like layers making the outer skin. If the ROTS framework is the bit within which the flat levels will go and onto which the outer "city sprawl" will be attached, that leaves a shallow hole for the superlaser, and that framework in the shape of it would make the supporting backdrop and power connections for what we see plugging into it in the teaser.

As for the Maw Installation... In the EU the Death Star was never built there -- just designed there. A partial test model was constructed and abandoned in place before construction of the actual station commenced over the prison planet unoriginally named Despayre.

I just like the fact that we as fans know the "weapons test" Mon Mothma refers to will end up being the destruction of Alderaan. "Weapons test". *snort* Under. Statement.

--Jonah

exactly! another thing to think of is there are very large machines that need to be built in order to assemble the death star. so it must take some serious time building these large machines.

 

[kalkamel]

Boy, I get tired of this! Biggs never went to -- or wanted to go to -- the Imperial Academy. He warns Luke that the Empire is nationalizing trade in the Core and it's only a matter of time before they turn their attention to the Outer Rim. He doesn't intend to wait around to be "drafted into Imperial service", so is going to jump ship and try to contact the Rebellion.

OK, that makes sense. Otherwise, Biggs would be battling against Luke over Macho... errr... Yavin IV.

 

[Wolfsburg]

There is that possibility that they started years before on building it, but I've also read somewhere that in the DSII, they fixed the part with the port hole...which if made before ANH, would have had the same problem. Its debatable I guess. But very unrealistic to build another in just a few years.

Well I know in ship building, it's not unheard of to incorporate improvements over the span of manufacturing. So ships within a certain class might not necessarily be exactly the same, or the earlier ones get retrofitted to match the standard of the later ones. Did the Empire know of the shortcomings of the DSI even before Yavin and make corrections for the potentially pre-Yavin DSII construction? I dunno...