Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)

[doctorDWwho]

No yeah, I completely understand (and agree) with the people who get annoyed when they cast/hire/write women, homosexuals, Asians, etc., etc., simply to be politically correct or make a point. If that's who the character is, or that's who's right for the job, then fantastic, good for them. But when it's just to make a point, it's just stupid. I really don't think that's what Jyn, Cassian, Chirrut, or Baze are. I think that's just their characters.

 

[Jedi-72]

The whole argument of a film being "alienating" to some kid somewhere (when will every argument stop being about "the children"?) because there isn't a character in it that looks like him, so let's make it "inclusive" and "welcoming", is ridiculous. What child was alienated by Star Wars? Or Superman? Or Indiana Jones? No black kids complained about it while they were running around pretending to be Luke Skywalker in my neighborhood back in the 70s and 80s. Neither did my Asian classmates who dug Han, etc. It was never an issue. Never a question. Never a problem.

The reason for all the obvious pandering should bother people. It's not inclusive out of respect for whichever group. It's money and nothing more. If they could make money "alienating" groups, they would. The whole discussion is just absurd.

 

[astroboy]

The whole argument of a film being "alienating" to some kid somewhere (when will every argument stop being about "the children"?) because there isn't a character in it that looks like him, so let's make it "inclusive" and "welcoming", is ridiculous. What child was alienated by Star Wars? Or Superman? Or Indiana Jones? No black kids complained about it while they were running around pretending to be Luke Skywalker in my neighborhood back in the 70s and 80s. Neither did my Asian classmates who dug Han, etc. It was never an issue. Never a question. Never a problem.

The reason for all the obvious pandering should bother people. It's not inclusive out of respect for whichever group. It's money and nothing more. If they could make money "alienating" groups, they would. The whole discussion is just absurd.

Yes. But we have a chance to move forward.

Imho, it isn't that the studios are pandering or trying to be politically correct. I love equal representation. Lack of diversity in Hollywood has bothered me since I was a kid.

However, the studios are not just changing with the times. They are using race as product placement for global markets.

Now, we have to ask ourselves, will that die down after a while? I'm guessing that it will. After a few years, we will probably stop noticing and we will be left with a Hollywood full of diverse and bankable stars.

And THAT is a great endgame

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[Reelo]

To quote Tarkin: "This bickering is pointless."

Has this been posted yet?

 

[Getoninja]

these guys mentioned the Chinese market, women, and race and I love these guys

 

[KrangPrime]

except the reason it happened.

they where not trying it to help the asian people gain power and fame in hollywood cause they deserved it, being great actors.

the only reason they where paying attention to them is because china required it :/....if china didn't require it, they'd still be ignored like everyone else.

not really a great way to get ahead, and hollywood is hardly evolving into being more accepting.

but in this case, i don't think that is the case here. plenty of other movies for sure, but not this one.

 

[astroboy]

except the reason it happened.

they where not trying it to help the asian people gain power and fame in hollywood cause they deserved it, being great actors.

the only reason they where paying attention to them is because china required it :/....if china didn't require it, they'd still be ignored like everyone else.

not really a great way to get ahead, and hollywood is hardly evolving into being more accepting.

but in this case, i don't think that is the case here. plenty of other movies for sure, but not this one.

I totally agree. And that's what bothers me.

But as I mentioned above is that the long game here is that we will eventually be left with a very diverse Hollywood.

Max Landis did a thing where he talked about Scarlett Johansson staring in ghost in the shell. He said that Hollywood had no choice. They needed someone bankable. That's business. And Lucy Lui is too old. What else could they do?

So maybe all of this will leave us with a better Hollywood, even if it's intentions are just to pander

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[gobler]

Man, the little bit of the score they showed nails the SW feel. I'm sooo stoked to see this.

Also, I love the fact Donnie Yen is in this. I am a huge fan of the ip man films among his other works. It's about Damn time we see other fighting forms in these movies.

On Earth there are hundreds on martial arts forms from almost every culture. Man loves to fight and thus formed different styles over time. Hell, I'm a middle age white guy whose studied Tae Kwan Do for most of my life.

 

[Kt Templar]

A little inclusiveness is great. The Rogue One, main cast is a white English woman, an hispanic man, a white American droid (!), 2 chinese, 1 East Asian, a black elder character, and 2 very white male imperial characters... and 2 as yet mostly unseen alien characters. The world is more than WASPs and it's good to see. Some will see it as pandering to the Chinese market, but CHINA is a huge market and they did completely the opposite casting a black man as Finn, due to very few black people in China they are considered hard to market, and the local marketing agency reduced the size of his image on the posters.... of course that was knocked back as unacceptable when Lucasfilm realised what they were doing.

Star Wars has been, since Empire anyway, quite diverse... did they add Lando because it was pointed out that the Universe was a little too white... yes quite possibly. But when casting was mostly from 1976 Britain and the way things were back then it's not a surprise. There were asian pilots in Star Wars as far back as Jedi.

When I was a kid I especially loved ToD due to Short Round and Wu Han being in it. Kudos to Spielberg, he was way ahead of the curve.

 

[Bryancd]

Opening weekend Global numbers are looking really solid. Just this week Wall Street Analysts have begun to recognize this films potential for out performing previous expectations as word of mouth from screening is very strong and Disney insiders are VERY happy with the film.

http://deadline.com/2016/12/rogue-o...ice-opening-disney-felicity-jones-1201867465/

 

[Getoninja]

 

[ghostryder]

https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/rogueonepremiere/

 

[Snikt]

Well I was away for a couple days and of course what I say gets blown of proportion. All of you assume that Im white, and Im not talking about lack of diversity, Im talking about catering to one specific demographic for the sake of money, its not Asians, its China. Thats it. Im not talking about koreans, japenese, cambodians or anything else. But forget it, I forgot how thinking outside the majority on these forums is completely shot down and ridiculed. My main point is that I like to watch movies and get immersed. The minute something is thrown in there that disrupts the immersion bothers me. Whether it be a shameless plug for a product, a cliched character, terrible visuals or awful writing. God, you say one thing and all of a sudden youre labeled as a bigot, as Bryancd has alluded to, especially with post # 4360.

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Because some people don't want to see past their noses that the world isn't all lily white. 'Merica.

If you dont see what Im talking about then forget it. Dont assume that Im white because I dont like the direction Hollywood is going, cause hey, guess what, Im not white. Yes, I understand its a business, but why do you feel as though you have to agree with it?

 

[Bryancd]

, as @Bryancd has alluded to, especially with post # 4360.

That wasn't referring to you, it was the post above I was responding to. I didn't quote it as I'm one of the 35 people on his ignore list. He was alluding to KK's recent comments about looking to find a woman director for a STAR WARS film project in the future. I'm suggesting you should look at the larger picture being considered here, not just a smaller, less nuanced view of efforts to promote diversity in film. There are issues attendant with it but the ultimate goal is admirable and worth working towards.

 

[ghostryder]

 

[MrSouthpaw]

The whole argument of a film being "alienating" to some kid somewhere (when will every argument stop being about "the children"?) because there isn't a character in it that looks like him, so let's make it "inclusive" and "welcoming", is ridiculous. What child was alienated by Star Wars? Or Superman? Or Indiana Jones? No black kids complained about it while they were running around pretending to be Luke Skywalker in my neighborhood back in the 70s and 80s. Neither did my Asian classmates who dug Han, etc. It was never an issue. Never a question. Never a problem.

The reason for all the obvious pandering should bother people. It's not inclusive out of respect for whichever group. It's money and nothing more. If they could make money "alienating" groups, they would. The whole discussion is just absurd.

I don't really put stock in peoples stories about "classmates" or "friends" as a form of evidence of anything. I think you're just giving your own personal perspective that you did not feel alienated and couching it as things that minorities demonstrated.

Corporations exist to make money. Funny though, how it's only pandering if it appeals to minorities or protected status groups.

Snikt
You compared Chinese to stray animals.

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=175718&page=174&p=4139083&viewfull=1#post4139083

Don't act like that was blown out of proportion to call that discriminatory.

 

[JD]

If you dont see what Im talking about then forget it. Dont assume that Im white because I dont like the direction Hollywood is going, cause hey, guess what, Im not white. Yes, I understand its a business, but why do you feel as though you have to agree with it?

I made a general comment about the subject. I didn't quote you or mention your name. I didn't say that you were white (that itself was a generalization and not meant as a specific race or skin color - was there perhaps a subtle nod that way? Perhaps.

I don't recall your posts specifically - but, I understand what was being stated in the direction this thread was going. The simple truth is that it just isn't business - that's a cop out - Hollywood is reflecting a real world view. If you're more inclined to keep your perspective narrow, that's your perspective. The US and the world is ever changing - some of us are more open to it.

Your reaction towards my comment speaks volumes about you.

 

[ghostryder]

 

[crabra comander]

So true guys...its like those Hollywood execs realized that by having strong female leads and other ethnicities in a film it would draw a bigger crowd...Shocking.

 

[Treadwell]

TIE is not anywhere near to the standard of the X. Must not have been made for the film.