Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)

The answer to your question is in the opening seconds of the very first Star Wars film: "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...". So there you have it. Star Wars takes place a long time ago in a distant galaxy in our universe. If Star Wars took place in a different universe, it would've read, "A long time ago in another universe....".

The Wook

I completely disagree. It was a whimsical way to suggest that it has absolutely no bearing or relation to us. Similar to my way of saying a "different universe" was to suggest something based in complete fantasy.

It's a fantasy. Fantasy has no basis or logic, and requires neither. That's the best part of fantasy.

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Laser shots, explosions in space, lightsabers, moon sized spacestations.

/mic drop

:)

Don't forget the inevitable planet sized super death star to come.
 
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Am I the only one who hates levitating Star Destroyers?

I loathe capital ships in atmosphere.

Why? I think aside from visual eye candy, it wouldn't make sense for them not to be able to in the star wars universe. The capital ships during the clone wars were shown in atmosphere at the end of Episode 2

I know this is Star Wars but the physics of it make zero sense. Zooming across the atmosphere... perhaps, but hovering... no.

Pointing to the prequels, is hardly a winning argument. ;)

Well aside from being fictional, that criticism to be fair is based on our current understanding of physics.

SD hovering in atmosphere were introduced in Rebels.

When I was a kid & SW came out there were magazines that stated that TIE Fighters were space only,..not designed for atmospheric flight,...but then three years later we see them flying through the clouds in Bespin,...so things change in perspective....BUT....

We need to remember that Star Wars is not Star Trek,....the rules of science are different in SW,......it's very rarely we see evidence of wheels, speeders levitate, the X-Wings & the Falcon take off vertically with no vertical engines,....all spacecraft have gravity,...the Falcon has spots in her where gravity switches,....Han, Chewie & Leia step out of the Falcon when in a cave on an asteroid with no pressure suits,.....all planets have a breathable atmosphere & the same gravitational pull,....(we are conditioned for our planet, other planet size & mass would crush us or not be strong enough)......the Force......sound of rockets & TIE fighters in the vacuum of space,....etc

The Star Destroyer in atmosphere has been done before in Attack of the Clones & video games,....we might not like it (I have no problem with the concept),....but we can't say that it is physically impossible in the SW universe

J
 
I've watched 'A New Hope' this morning because of the trailer, and the phrase is "An analysis of the plans provided by Princess Leia has demonstrated a weakness in the battle station". Which could mean (to me ) that someone ,if they needed someway of trying to destroy an impossibly large space station, would perhaps attempt to design in a weakness. It just seemed to me that it was awfully convenient that the whole thing goes bang with one photon torpedo, but after watching the trailer and considering the story line of Jyn and her father .It really does seem a good solution. There maybe better.

That's my point though. Why would they have to analyse anything if the weakness was intentional. They would have said in the plans: "Make boom boom in this hole!". They wouldn't go through all that monumental trouble of building in a weakness to this monstrosity of a star base, make a copy of the plans, smuggle them out, and leave out that very critical piece of time sensitive information....

You could be 100% right though. I'm just hoping they don't do that. If they do, I'll HATE THIS MOVIE!!!!

I'm kidding. I'm okay with things I don't like in movies. Most movies are stupid anyway, so I accept that and just enjoy them.

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It's a got damn movie, ******....

huh?

Seriously?

It's a movie?

Okay everyone. Time to end the discussion.


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I'm sorry, Man- I'm just joking around. I know you meant- it's a movie as in fake. Who cares how stuff works. At least that's what I assume you really meant.
 
Landspeeders and speeder bikes float.
Fighers of all varieties can hover.
When the clones arrive on Utapau, there are Republic cruisers in the upper atmosphere. (Moving, but not that quickly.)
At the far end of the scale, the 2nd Death Star did a pretty good job not falling into Endor.

Antigravity doesn't seem to be much of a problem.
 
huh?

Seriously?

It's a movie?

Okay everyone. Time to end the discussion.


Thread closed.


I'm sorry, Man- I'm just joking around. I know you meant- it's a movie as in fake. Who cares how stuff works. At least that's what I assume you really meant.


Arguing about the physics and whatnot of the star wars universe or just the movie(s) in general is like trying to explain the philosophy of a fat guy in a bakery.

The fat guy is simply going to eat whatever the hell he wants
 
I don't think GL had any intention to have this universe be entirely fantastical. A long time ago in a galaxy far far away is s literal statement not metaphorical. He means to say this happens in our universe but it happened far back in time and no where close. It's important to ground the film in that context and reality so the audience can make assumptions about how their galaxy works, why they look and sound like us, ect. It also creates a sense of wonder for the audience and invites then to believe the Force is real and someday we might be able to have it with us. This was never intended to be Lord of the Rings.

And gravity on ships in film is the most unrealistic trope there is. Based on our understanding of physics the energy required to do that would be prohibitive, we just accept it and move on.
 
I don't think GL had any intention to have this universe be entirely fantastical. A long time ago in a galaxy far far away is s literal statement not metaphorical. He means to say this happens in our universe but it happened far back in time and no where close. It's important to ground the film in that context and reality so the audience can make assumptions about how their galaxy works, why they look and sound like us, ect. It also creates a sense of wonder for the audience and invites then to believe the Force is real and someday we might be able to have it with us. This was never intended to be Lord of the Rings.

And gravity on ships in film is the most unrealistic trope there is. Based on our understanding of physics the energy required to do that would be prohibitive, we just accept it and move on.

I'd say the opposite,...Its GL's homage to the fairytale "Once upon a time, in a land, far, far away" & biblical "In a land far, far away, a long, long time ago",.....it is used to prepare you & distance you from reality......& in Star Wars setting the scene to allow you to accept the unbelievable events that could never exist in our experience,....there are striking similarities,...mainly the military might of the Empire mirroring Nazi Germany,....but because its fantasy it is 'imagine if'

J
 
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Music sounds like "Kickass".
Visuals are cool, though.
Kung Fu in a galaxy far far away is kinda weird...
AT-ATs are TANKS driven by people - why would it move it's head like it was hurt? Stupid.
I can't believe I've grown so cynical that I'm not at all excited about a new Star Wars movie that actually LOOKS like a Star Wars movie...
 
That's my point though. Why would they have to analyse anything if the weakness was intentional. They would have said in the plans: "Make boom boom in this hole!". They wouldn't go through all that monumental trouble of building in a weakness to this monstrosity of a star base, make a copy of the plans, smuggle them out, and leave out that very critical piece of time sensitive information....

You could be 100% right though. I'm just hoping they don't do that. If they do, I'll HATE THIS MOVIE!!!!

I'm kidding. I'm okay with things I don't like in movies. Most movies are stupid anyway, so I accept that and just enjoy them.

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Just watch SW ANH again. Vader and co don't know there is something up with the Death Star but they still want to prevent the plans falling into rebel hands , Motti is over confident, says it would be a futile gesture no matter what technical data they have stolen etc. Yet they know the rebels have risked everything to launch the attack and escape with the tapes. So that now kind of says to me that the info on the port may have been deliberately concealed so that even when the Imperials immediately review the data on the DS after the raid, they still don't spot the weakness. I mean everyone has taken the proper p*** out of the fact that a small thermal exhaust port (and TWO photon torpedo's ) gets the DS destroyed . This solution just appealed to me in the light of all the info that's now revealed in the trailers and characters.
Given the very short time frame between Leia returning with R2 and the attack on Yarvin the rebels suddenly find that weakness????? How? Are they like Death Star experts? Like you said it could have been previously spotted by the engineering team or it could have been a design flaw introduced that they made even more accessible (like not welding a steel grate over the top of it) by default. I don't really mind as long as the story overall makes sense and it delivers a good film. It never needed to explain itself or its physics, only in the broadest plot strokes because its just a STORY, all be it a very imaginative an exciting one. I love SW for many reasons, one of the strongest being it just looks like a fantastic sci fi exaggerated space opera, which this new trailer seems to more than promise. It may be hard for some here to remember but when I was a kid, nothing, I repeat nothing apart from 2001 (and CE3K) ever looked any good on the screen. SW changed that forever and I will never forget it for that powerful effect that, having watched that new trailer today, is like watching your best dreams come to life and still thrill me forty years on.
 
Just watch SW ANH again. Vader and co don't know there is something up with the Death Star but they still want to prevent the plans falling into rebel hands , Motti is over confident, says it would be a futile gesture no matter what technical data they have stolen etc. Yet they know the rebels have risked everything to launch the attack and escape with the tapes. So that now kind of says to me that the info on the port may have been deliberately concealed so that even when the Imperials immediately review the data on the DS after the raid, they still don't spot the weakness. I mean everyone has taken the proper p*** out of the fact that a small thermal exhaust port (and TWO photon torpedo's ) gets the DS destroyed . This solution just appealed to me in the light of all the info that's now revealed in the trailers and characters.
Given the very short time frame between Leia returning with R2 and the attack on Yarvin the rebels suddenly find that weakness????? How? Are they like Death Star experts? Like you said it could have been previously spotted by the engineering team or it could have been a design flaw introduced that they made even more accessible (like not welding a steel grate over the top of it) by default. I don't really mind as long as the story overall makes sense and it delivers a good film. It never needed to explain itself or its physics, only in the broadest plot strokes because its just a STORY, all be it a very imaginative an exciting one. I love SW for many reasons, one of the strongest being it just looks like a fantastic sci fi exaggerated space opera, which this new trailer seems to more than promise. It may be hard for some here to remember but when I was a kid, nothing, I repeat nothing apart from 2001 (and CE3K) ever looked any good on the screen. SW changed that forever and I will never forget it for that powerful effect that, having watched that new trailer today, is like watching your best dreams come to life and still thrill me forty years on.

Regardless of Vader Co. knowing something is up, they HAD to get those plans back, because anything could be exploited as a weakness. And regardless of if they figure it out, or it was planned, we'll find out in under 130 days! I'm super excited for this movie. Either outcome is not a deal killer for me here. And I agree 100% with how this trailer is. Makes me feel the same way. I liked TFA, and I really want to see Luke and Co., but this one seems to feel more like Star Wars. That's awesome.

By the way... WATCH STAR WARS AGAIN???!!!

Okay, but when my wife gets mad at me for doing just that, I'm giving her your number to complain to. I usually limit my intake to watching the series at Christmas, and Summer at the cottage, but I'll make an exception and watch again LOL.
 
I'd say the opposite,...Its GL's homage to the fairytale "Once upon a time, in a land, far, far away" & biblical "In a land far, far away, a long, long time ago",.....it is used to prepare you & distance you from reality......& in Star Wars setting the scene to allow you to accept the unbelievable events that could never exist in our experience,....there are striking similarities,...mainly the military might of the Empire mirroring Nazi Germany,....but because its fantasy it is 'imagine if'

J

I would say that's more analogous with what GR did with TOS, place stories into a fantastical future but still one based on our reality and create narratives loaded with social commentary and not get caught by censors.
 
The answer to your question is in the opening seconds of the very first Star Wars film: "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...". So there you have it. Star Wars takes place a long time ago in a distant galaxy in our universe. If Star Wars took place in a different universe, it would've read, "A long time ago in another universe....".

The Wook

....but perhaps in a galaxy in another Universe,...or a galaxy in a previous Universe????

"Unlearn what you have learned"

J
 
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Whoa. I slipped into some next level nerdery in this thread! :lol

But yeah, one thing that bothered me about this trailer was the asian dude, and the kung fu. Yawn. Seems like such a lazy way of putting something in there that could be done differently. China pandering maybe? TFA didnt do as well as they hoped it would in China...just sayin.

For some reason, even though I noticed it but didnt bother me, was the AT AT rocket to the face and it wincing. I thought it looked cool, besides, how else would the driver deflect the blast aside from moving its head?
 
It used to really bother me seeing ISDs in an atmosphere but I'm someone that grew up with an EU that said that the older, smaller Victory-class were the biggest star destroyers to be capable of operating within an atmosphere. I don't recall the reason but I assumed it was because the newer Imperial/Imperator-class were too big to structurally stand up to planetary gravitational forces. However Rebels took a big dump on that concept and so it is canon that ISDs can fly within an atmosphere.
 
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