Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)

[Too Much Garlic]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

Err... Frank Oz puppeteered Yoda in the OT. He controlled the movements and the mouth while others controlled eyes and ears, so I'd say he has experience, since he "created" how the character behaves and moves.

Still not sure Freeborn had anything to do with the actual handling of the puppet on set. To the best of my knowledge he was the sculptor of the piece, not operator.

Just create the rig to match the original OT puppet and have Frank Oz and team do the performance and then have animators take over for running, jumping, etc.


And it sure would be interesting to see a whole herd of these little green gnomes running all over the place.

 

[Edwardowan]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

oops that's right... for some reason I thought he only did the voice and others puppeteered... been too long since I thougth about all the animatronics of Yoda
as for Freeborn, yes, I know he only sculpted it but I'm just pointing out he based it on his own face for the most part so wouldn't Freeborn's facial movements and expressions dictate how Yoda's facial movements might be reflected in this for added realism? It could have been useful. not back then but with today's digital and motion capture technology it could have been useful for more realism... I am happy with how Yoda looked in the end anyway. I was only referring to how they do this sort of thing today with characters like Gollum to heighten realism.
What they did for Yoda was mimic the puppet to give us what we remember Yoda looking like in ESB but with a bit more enhanced eye and mouth expressions which is all that was needed in the end.

Err... Frank Oz puppeteered Yoda in the OT. He controlled the movements and the mouth while others controlled eyes and ears, so I'd say he has experience, since he "created" how the character behaves and moves.

Still not sure Freeborn had anything to do with the actual handling of the puppet on set. To the best of my knowledge he was the sculptor of the piece, not operator.

Just create the rig to match the original OT puppet and have Frank Oz and team do the performance and then have animators take over for running, jumping, etc.


And it sure would be interesting to see a whole herd of these little green gnomes running all over the place.

 

[seelsa73]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

How about a movie made up of several vignettes, similar to Sin City. Maybe one or several of the new characters would take off.

Sin City was a horrible movie, probably number two on my worst movies of all time list next to Vanilla Sky. So no thanks on this end.

 

[TEEDA]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

The problem is that they will probably have to stick with the Movie trilogy Universe. I don't think we will see any characters from the expended universe soon. There was some allusions and only references in Episode III like Quilan Vos who is part of the expanded universe but I don't think we will see an extend to it in the upcoming movies. Or Maybe If George Lucas doesn 't want anymore invovlment they can but precisely that it 's why they are sticking with bringing back the old characters like Solo and mark hamill. Maybe they will stick with Skywalker family but I too would like tosee new characters , new bad guys, maybe an equel amount of jedis and siths but bring back the space western atmosphere of episode IV and V.

 

[rodneyfaile]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

Sin City was a horrible movie, probably number two on my worst movies of all time list next to Vanilla Sky. So no thanks on this end.

I only mentioned Sin City to reference a movie made up of smaller stories. I didn't mean a Star Wars version of Sin City.

I think Sin City is awesome though, one of my favs, but that is another topic.

 

[Edwardowan]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

...bring back the space western atmosphere of episode IV and V.

that's exactly it precisely. space western atmosphere is exactly what fans mean when they say they want the new movies to be more like the used environment and look of the original.

 

[seelsa73]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

As for the Yoda discussion, I'm not sure it matters who does the motion capture suit. I mean he was a puppet in the OT so nobody physically gave him the walk and the way he moves. So the challenge is to mimic what the puppet did at Frank Oz's hand while at the same time giving him a more natural gate than the puppet could give. The computer takes care of the rest. And i think they did it very well in ROTS.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

As for the Yoda discussion, I'm not sure it matters who does the motion capture suit. I mean he was a puppet in the OT so nobody physically gave him the walk and the way he moves. So the challenge is to mimic what the puppet did at Frank Oz's hand while at the same time giving him a more natural gate than the puppet could give. The computer takes care of the rest. And i think they did it very well in ROTS.

I'm just not seeing the Frank Oz movements in the PT digital Yoda. And Yoda walked in the OT, you just didn't see his feet while he did - Frank Oz created that movement. He brought life to the puppet in a very specific way - just like an actor creates life in his character in a specific way, another actor in that role would probably not create the same mannerisms and movements, etc.

It's like Prowse and Vader - no one can mimic what Prowse did, making their Vader something else.

And Kevin Peter Hall and the Predator.

 

[Edwardowan]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

I'm just not seeing the Frank Oz movements in the PT digital Yoda. And Yoda walked in the OT, you just didn't see his feet while he did - Frank Oz created that movement. He brought life to the puppet in a very specific way - just like an actor creates life in his character in a specific way, another actor in that role would probably not create the same mannerisms and movements, etc.

It's like Prowse and Vader - no one can mimic what Prowse did, making their Vader something else.

And Kevin Peter Hall and the Predator.

and Peter Mayhew as Chewbacca. And therein could be an issue with any young Han and Chewie spinoff movie... Peter isnt' in the best physical shape these days and uses a cane and wheel chair often. any rigorous running around in a new film will require a new actor but hopefully one that can consult adn be trained by Mayhew.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

Exactly. Mayhew has a very specific walk and movement and mannerisms when portraying Chewbacca.

It's also what I can't wrap my head around about why James Earl Jones wasn't brought in to teach the two actors playing Anakin his way of speaking.

 

[Caveneau]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

As much as I totally agree, something tells me JJ isn't going to care how Chewie would walk in terms of keeping any kind of continuity.

 

[Edwardowan]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

As much as I totally agree, something tells me JJ isn't going to care how Chewie would walk in terms of keeping any kind of continuity.

that's only if chewie appears in EP 7... and won't have many scenes I would surmise and since its post RotJ Mayhew could possibly be in the suit. he was after all in RotS. As for younger Chewie in the spinoff, JJ hasn't been signed on to direct and there is no reason to think he will direct the stand alone films so I'm not so worried about that.

 

[Caveneau]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

I see.
I didn't even know it was Peter Mayhew as Chewbacca in RotS.

I learned something new today.

 

[Edwardowan]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

I see.
I didn't even know it was Peter Mayhew as Chewbacca in RotS.

I learned something new today.

your SW fan card has been revoked. please re-apply at a later date! :lol

 

[Too Much Garlic]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

Yeah, it was Mayhew... but the suit was made all weird and fat compared to the OT look - way too much hair.

 

[scottjua]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

Yeah, it was Mayhew... but the suit was made all weird and fat compared to the OT look - way too much hair.

And the face wasn't the same at all.

It was like imposter Yoda in TPM before they replaced that abomination with the cg.

Imposter Yoda and imposter chewie. Yay PT!!!

 

[Michael Bergeron]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

Yeah, it was Mayhew... but the suit was made all weird and fat compared to the OT look - way too much hair.

Yep. That's why I tend to forgive that people don't know that. Not sure he'd be up for a larger role in a new film.

 

[Edwardowan]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

agreed. its as if they rebuilt the facial appliance and altered it and they added too much dark hair around the eyes and mouth that made him look more like chewie's brother or something. To me it still looked like chewie but looked more like a fan build attempt... I guess they were trying to make him look "younger" like they did with TPM yoda and again, when you have a creature that lives hundreds of years, a thirty to forty year time span isn't going to change them too much I would think.

 

[seelsa73]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

It's also what I can't wrap my head around about why James Earl Jones wasn't brought in to teach the two actors playing Anakin his way of speaking.

Because while Anakin and Vader share a body, they are two different characters, so they wouldn't walk or talk the same way. If that makes any sense.

Besides which, actors are always encouraged to make a part their own, even if they are taking over a very specific character from a previous movie. Take the character of Rhodes from the Iron Man movies for example. They switched the actors out between 1 & 2 and Don Cheadle plays the part quite differently from Terrence Howard. Few people, that i know of anyway, even batted an eye. Granted i liked Terrence Howard 10x better in the role, but still...

 

[TheSpider]

re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)

Remember what happened the last time they tried to make a live action movie that wasn't episode _? They gave us the holiday special.
I trust Disney enough to do a good job on 7, 8, and 9, but if they decide to do any stand alone movies, just make them animated, and leave the big budget live action films to 7 - 9.