Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)
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Organic Mechanic
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OK, so, I admit I'm WAY behind the discussion. I only read the first 5 pages or so before I had to reply here.
What is with all of the Yoda bashing?
Yeah, he looked rubbish in TPM, and they took his backward speech pattern to the extreme. I get that.
Folks keep accusing the character of being stubborn and closed minded though. Am I the only one who noticed that Yoda was the only character in the whole PT who saw it coming from the get-go? I mean, little green dude was right. About everything. All of the time.
Also, yeah. A Yoda movie would blow.
OK, so, I admit I'm WAY behind the discussion. I only read the first 5 pages or so before I had to reply here.
What is with all of the Yoda bashing?
Yeah, he looked rubbish in TPM, and they took his backward speech pattern to the extreme. I get that.
Folks keep accusing the character of being stubborn and closed minded though. Am I the only one who noticed that Yoda was the only character in the whole PT who saw it coming from the get-go? I mean, little green dude was right. About everything. All of the time.
Also, yeah. A Yoda movie would blow.
Edwardowan
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re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)
I liked her in Leon a.k.a. The Professional (in a somewhat perverse kind of way but that was the point right?
) but once I saw her in Mars Attacks I thought she was the lamest most wooden actor since Keanu Reeves! She just seemed so... bored. Its been ages since I've seen that film and maybe her character was supposed to come across that way? anyway, I was not thrilled when she got cast as Padme' but was very pleased with her in it . Not so pleased with the film as a whole of course but Portman did just fine. I've since seen many but not all of her films and she really is a talented actress but I don't go out of my way to see her films.
I liked her in Leon a.k.a. The Professional (in a somewhat perverse kind of way but that was the point right?
) but once I saw her in Mars Attacks I thought she was the lamest most wooden actor since Keanu Reeves! She just seemed so... bored. Its been ages since I've seen that film and maybe her character was supposed to come across that way? anyway, I was not thrilled when she got cast as Padme' but was very pleased with her in it . Not so pleased with the film as a whole of course but Portman did just fine. I've since seen many but not all of her films and she really is a talented actress but I don't go out of my way to see her films.
re: Star Wars Standalone Film (Dir: Gareth Edwards)
For me that's the only point. :lol
I wouldn't say he was right about everything but I don't really get the hate either. Only thing is that he should never have wielded a lightsaber on screen...
For me that's the only point. :lol
I wouldn't say he was right about everything but I don't really get the hate either. Only thing is that he should never have wielded a lightsaber on screen...
Organic Mechanic
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Right. I always assumed he was above the need for combat myself.
Right. I always assumed he was above the need for combat myself.
Jannix Quinn
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I hope we get a movie with Dexter Jettster's backstory. I'm really interested in how he has a 1950's diner.
I hope we get a movie with Dexter Jettster's backstory. I'm really interested in how he has a 1950's diner.
Organic Mechanic
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Mmmm. Also, how does he get away with juicing Jawas?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Mmmm. Also, how does he get away with juicing Jawas?
Inquiring minds want to know!
JLeezy23
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Think I can pull off a young Han? Lol
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Think I can pull off a young Han? Lol
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Organic Mechanic
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Boba Fett? Is that you?
Boba Fett? Is that you?
rodneyfaile
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Law & Order: Coruscant
Law & Order: Coruscant
Timmythekid
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Yeah, we could find out how he was actually a literal clone of Han, not just a Han-Lite metaphorical clone.
Best idea I've heard floated is a bounty-hunters version of The Good the Bad and the Ugly. The PT made Jedi dull, so Snyder's hypothetical 7 Samurai doesn't really do it for me, but bounty hunters open up a whole wide range of characters and motivations.
Yeah, we could find out how he was actually a literal clone of Han, not just a Han-Lite metaphorical clone.
Best idea I've heard floated is a bounty-hunters version of The Good the Bad and the Ugly. The PT made Jedi dull, so Snyder's hypothetical 7 Samurai doesn't really do it for me, but bounty hunters open up a whole wide range of characters and motivations.
astroboy
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Am I the only one who thinks the story of our heroes is done? They created a possibly huge universe of stories. Why do we need to keep going back to luke, Han and Yoda? At this point, that feels like fan service. What happens after the empire? Remember, there's a lot of soldiers out there with a lot of fire power. Will the empire be replaced? Maybe by something similar to the Lucian alliance? Let's have a story of gangsters and mercenaries
Am I the only one who thinks the story of our heroes is done? They created a possibly huge universe of stories. Why do we need to keep going back to luke, Han and Yoda? At this point, that feels like fan service. What happens after the empire? Remember, there's a lot of soldiers out there with a lot of fire power. Will the empire be replaced? Maybe by something similar to the Lucian alliance? Let's have a story of gangsters and mercenaries
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Return, he would, yes.
Frank Oz ready to return to Yoda for ?Star Wars? spin-off movie | Hero Complex ? movies, comics, pop culture ? Los Angeles Times
Return, he would, yes.
Frank Oz ready to return to Yoda for ?Star Wars? spin-off movie | Hero Complex ? movies, comics, pop culture ? Los Angeles Times
Too Much Garlic
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If Frank Oz gets to control the character and not just do the voice, that would be so much better. They could create a rig similar to the Dinosaur Input Device that was created for the first Jurassic Park movie... and then basically do a kind of motion capture, with Frank Oz and team performing the movements, instead of animators who never got the character right.
If Frank Oz gets to control the character and not just do the voice, that would be so much better. They could create a rig similar to the Dinosaur Input Device that was created for the first Jurassic Park movie... and then basically do a kind of motion capture, with Frank Oz and team performing the movements, instead of animators who never got the character right.
rodneyfaile
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What about different styles set in the Star Wars universe? How about a noir detective story set on Coruscant? Yes, I'm actually just asking for another Blade Runnner.
How about a movie made up of several vignettes, similar to Sin City. Maybe one or several of the new characters would take off.
What about different styles set in the Star Wars universe? How about a noir detective story set on Coruscant? Yes, I'm actually just asking for another Blade Runnner.
How about a movie made up of several vignettes, similar to Sin City. Maybe one or several of the new characters would take off.
Edwardowan
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well, since Yoda is dead after Jedi, any movie with Yoda would be a prequel and we don't know what other adventures or challenges he had prior to the clone wars... although, it was said the Jedi didn't have to deal with Sith for almost 1000 years until the clone wars being Darth Plagueis and Sidious were on the down low training and plotting so there wouldn't necessarily be any story for yoda in that regard I would think.
As for Han, again, prequel backstory for the stand alone films works but yes, no need for further story for Han but then for many people life begins at 50!
And Luke, well, its a given he has a new challenge to train new Jedi which is the basis or at least the ground work of the next sequels anyway.
I am sure new characters will develop and become more important than our older heroes... it will be a pass the torch and continue on kind of thing but many would wonder whatever happened or became of the other characters if they weren't at least mentioned. So yes, its indeed fan service... Luke is all but in his 30's perhaps at the end of Jedi... at the oldest? I know for me I have had my greatest adventures and influences on people in my world after the age of 30. No need to retire Luke from the story line in my opinion.
well, since Yoda is dead after Jedi, any movie with Yoda would be a prequel and we don't know what other adventures or challenges he had prior to the clone wars... although, it was said the Jedi didn't have to deal with Sith for almost 1000 years until the clone wars being Darth Plagueis and Sidious were on the down low training and plotting so there wouldn't necessarily be any story for yoda in that regard I would think.
As for Han, again, prequel backstory for the stand alone films works but yes, no need for further story for Han but then for many people life begins at 50!
And Luke, well, its a given he has a new challenge to train new Jedi which is the basis or at least the ground work of the next sequels anyway.
I am sure new characters will develop and become more important than our older heroes... it will be a pass the torch and continue on kind of thing but many would wonder whatever happened or became of the other characters if they weren't at least mentioned. So yes, its indeed fan service... Luke is all but in his 30's perhaps at the end of Jedi... at the oldest? I know for me I have had my greatest adventures and influences on people in my world after the age of 30. No need to retire Luke from the story line in my opinion.
Edwardowan
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or better yet, like they did with Andy Serkis for Sméagol/Gollum.
However, Oz is the voice but not the face... but ya, it may help with facial expressions but we would probably have needed Stuart Freeborn for that but he passed a few days ago sadly but at the ripe old age of 98! I hope I live that long! Then again Freeborn wasn't an actor so he may not have been useful in that regard... basically I just talked myself into a circle on this.. ya, Frank Oz for facial motion capture
or better yet, like they did with Andy Serkis for Sméagol/Gollum.
However, Oz is the voice but not the face... but ya, it may help with facial expressions but we would probably have needed Stuart Freeborn for that but he passed a few days ago sadly but at the ripe old age of 98! I hope I live that long! Then again Freeborn wasn't an actor so he may not have been useful in that regard... basically I just talked myself into a circle on this.. ya, Frank Oz for facial motion capture
Too Much Garlic
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YES. All that. With the standalones you can do all kinds of stories, settings, moods, genres.
I only thought Stuart Freeborn sculpted the piece, not operating it. They can easily create a digital Yoda by scanning an original head, hands, feet, body, etc. and then give it a slight de-aging scrubbing - overseen by an artist.or better yet, like they did with Andy Serkis for Sméagol/Gollum.
However, Oz is the voice but not the face... but ya, it may help with facial expressions but we would probably have needed Stuart Freeborn for that but he passed a few days ago sadly but at the ripe old age of 98! I hope I live that long! Then again Freeborn wasn't an actor so he may not have been useful in that regard... basically I just talked myself into a circle on this.. ya, Frank Oz for facial motion capture
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Edwardowan
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exactly. but wouldn't Frank Oz controlling the character change the personality of what is already established by previous puppeteers and animators? would Oz even know how to "act" like Yoda? Not saying freeborn would either but since it was sculpted based on his face with a little bit of Einstein I would think animating Yoda's facial expressions would work more realistically using freeborns facial muscle movements. but moot now anyway
In the end I think yoda moved around just fine. Not sure how Oz would improve upon that. scanning an original sculpt would be a great idea as the digital yoda was close but still had the "too many wrinkles" syndrome in my opinion. it was better in Rots but AoTC he was too pruney.
exactly. but wouldn't Frank Oz controlling the character change the personality of what is already established by previous puppeteers and animators? would Oz even know how to "act" like Yoda? Not saying freeborn would either but since it was sculpted based on his face with a little bit of Einstein I would think animating Yoda's facial expressions would work more realistically using freeborns facial muscle movements. but moot now anyway
In the end I think yoda moved around just fine. Not sure how Oz would improve upon that. scanning an original sculpt would be a great idea as the digital yoda was close but still had the "too many wrinkles" syndrome in my opinion. it was better in Rots but AoTC he was too pruney.
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