Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Post-release)
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Bones_68
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Yep, same here. The Empire soundtrack in particular is burned into my psyche forever. That's the one that always takes me back instantly.
Lucas is on record somewhere saying he didn't really think Star Wars was working until he heard it with Williams music attached. Say what you want about the man in his later years, but I always admired him for giving Williams his due.
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I really liked his score for The Incredibles.
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squirk
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Could someone please help me out?
When Chirrut, Baze and Cassian are in their cell in the Gut, and Chirrut is reciting his mantra, what exactly does Baze (and Cassian, too?) say? Something about "prayer", right before Chirrut says something like "He's irritated because he knows it is possible."
I am guessing it is something disparaging Chirrut's continued devotion to the Force, but after four viewings I still can't make it out.
When Chirrut, Baze and Cassian are in their cell in the Gut, and Chirrut is reciting his mantra, what exactly does Baze (and Cassian, too?) say? Something about "prayer", right before Chirrut says something like "He's irritated because he knows it is possible."
I am guessing it is something disparaging Chirrut's continued devotion to the Force, but after four viewings I still can't make it out.
Snikt
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I agree with everything you said except what you said about SPR. In my opinion, its the greatest war movie ever made. Its superb in every way. I watched it on memorial day and cried. The emotions man. I miss old Spielberg.
Snikt
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They SKywalker/Jedi/Force saga is what seperates it from the rest of sci fi stuff, thats what makes it so cool, and different. If there wasnt any mention of those things, it would just be any old generic sci fi movie. Tell me you havent seen aliens, and space ships before....in outer space. Cmon. Thats why the OT is the best is because it focuses on characters we care about. The mystic and the scientific meld into an awesome addition to a basic story. When you put too much into it, and try to explain it (midichlorians) it fails and doesnt work. Why do you think Star Wars is more successful as a movie franchise than Star Trek is? At least in my opinion anyway. Then again, that might be for another thread with this group
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Pretty sure it started off being about Skywalker and the Force...I just watched ANH last night. Unless Im interpreting your last sentence wrong.
JD
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Agreed with Solo on the score....what JW's did, and what this one doesn't.
I do like Krennic's theme, and I *can* visualize what's going on onscreen during the score for the Vader whoopass scene.
But that's about it. A lot of what Verta used to call "treading water".
I listened to the soundtrack CD during a road trip. Wow, is this NOT a score for the car! VERY quiet passages punctuated by very loud blasts. I'd think the CD had paused or something because I couldn't hear anything, crank it up, and then get an ear bleed when the dramatic part hit. I might have to normalize the whole thing in Audacity before trying that again. I can just imagine the R1 sound mixers tearing their hair out having do make similar adjustments to make it punch through dialogue/effects during the quiet parts. It's really hard to keep up with such a range during a sound edit--this score is not sound editor friendly!
I have enjoyed the odd Giacchino score, though. The Incredibles is terrific. Granted, it might just mean he's a better mimic of John Barry (which was requested) than a good composer himself, I don't know.
I do like Krennic's theme, and I *can* visualize what's going on onscreen during the score for the Vader whoopass scene.
But that's about it. A lot of what Verta used to call "treading water".
I listened to the soundtrack CD during a road trip. Wow, is this NOT a score for the car! VERY quiet passages punctuated by very loud blasts. I'd think the CD had paused or something because I couldn't hear anything, crank it up, and then get an ear bleed when the dramatic part hit. I might have to normalize the whole thing in Audacity before trying that again. I can just imagine the R1 sound mixers tearing their hair out having do make similar adjustments to make it punch through dialogue/effects during the quiet parts. It's really hard to keep up with such a range during a sound edit--this score is not sound editor friendly!
I have enjoyed the odd Giacchino score, though. The Incredibles is terrific. Granted, it might just mean he's a better mimic of John Barry (which was requested) than a good composer himself, I don't know.
The Emperor must not have fully trusted Tarkin if Vader was there to keep him in check. I think Tarkin thinks he is in control when Vader really is. The Emperor would have to be THE dumbest dictator ever to give a person enough power to destroy you. There's no way the Emperor could survive the Death Star blowing up a planet he was on.
Whoever said the Force was forgotten? The Rebels were saying "May the Force Be With You" all over the place in the OT. Some people might have forgotten, but it was never said or implied that people didn't know what it was or didn't still believe in it.
SW did introduce mysticism in a very solid sci-fi setting. But it also described a universe with incredible detail and life, as I described earlier. I'm just saying the later movies did more of the former and less of the latter. I don't dislike the mysticism but I miss having the sense of a breathing, populated universe.They SKywalker/Jedi/Force saga is what seperates it from the rest of sci fi stuff, thats what makes it so cool, and different. If there wasnt any mention of those things, it would just be any old generic sci fi movie. Tell me you havent seen aliens, and space ships before....in outer space. Cmon. Thats why the OT is the best is because it focuses on characters we care about. The mystic and the scientific meld into an awesome addition to a basic story. When you put too much into it, and try to explain it (midichlorians) it fails and doesnt work. Why do you think Star Wars is more successful as a movie franchise than Star Trek is? At least in my opinion anyway. Then again, that might be for another thread with this group
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I should probably rephrase that. Yes, the story is about Luke but it feels as if it's happening in the setting of a greater galactic civil war. Luke and his buddies had an important part to play with the destruction of the Death Star but, in later films, it seems like the entire rebellion is driven by Luke and his pals and the function of every other rebel soldier is only to support them.
That's what I meant.
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G W Zipper
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So let's say Tarkin was going to go rogue and blow up the planet the emperor is on. Which planet would that be? We might assume Coruscant, but do we have any real reason to believe that's the case? Besides, even if Tarkin knew where Palpatine was, do we really think he wouldn't have defenses of his own, other than Vader? After all, sith apprentices aren't known for being that terribly faithful...
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jedi573
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So. Watched it today for the third time; have seen it once each weekend it's been out.
The Leia shot at the end looked different on the third viewing today. First two showings I saw (second viewing was last weekend) it showed a brief side profile, showed the plans, and then that odd, uncanny valley shot of the face with the funky smile.
What I saw today was a faster movement, more continuous hold on the face, and a different, more realistic smile and facial movement in general.
I was seeing it with a friend who was on his first viewing, and I was paying close attention to the shot to better gauge his reaction to it when talking about it after the movie. Anyone else notice a different version? Is this reasonable that they would have a different cut of the film with slightly-improved VFX on that closing shot three weeks after release? Or was it just my distortion of how it looked and it wasn't so bad after all?
Hmm.
The Leia shot at the end looked different on the third viewing today. First two showings I saw (second viewing was last weekend) it showed a brief side profile, showed the plans, and then that odd, uncanny valley shot of the face with the funky smile.
What I saw today was a faster movement, more continuous hold on the face, and a different, more realistic smile and facial movement in general.
I was seeing it with a friend who was on his first viewing, and I was paying close attention to the shot to better gauge his reaction to it when talking about it after the movie. Anyone else notice a different version? Is this reasonable that they would have a different cut of the film with slightly-improved VFX on that closing shot three weeks after release? Or was it just my distortion of how it looked and it wasn't so bad after all?
Hmm.
I would be surprised if they had had time to work on it ,given that its been the holiday season, but to down load an updated movie file is a fairly easy task for cinemas , so its a possiblity.
More commonly I have noticed occasional VFX issues from cinema versions corrected upon the release of the DVD's. As I mentioned before, I always find there is a general slight improvement in viewing quality, particularly with the blurays, so that most VFX shots these days look seamlessly integrated with the live action. The "deaged" characters in Marvel always look much better on home screenings, rather than on the cinema.
Given the time constraints they were under to rework R1 anyway its a minor miracle the overall film works as well as it does. The BO performance has been strong and the approval ratings high, and its a great film but alot more has been leaking out about how much was reshot and it was larger than I ever imagined, much closer to that figure that was banded about originally.
There were many multiple takes and versions of scenes, and as we know now an almost completely revised ending. So much so apparently, you could cut a significantly different film together with the alternatives. There does seem to be a trend for this these days,particularly where the script has been rather rushed out that the director shoots a mass of footage in the hope that what they eventually cut together quickly works. Unfortunately this ends up being more the work of a commitee, rather than a single directors vision, but its the new way with franchises.
And, thanks to digital production softwear that makes the time savings possible its all the more likely to continue to happen.So much can be done so quickly in post production.Which makes the real heros these days the guys that are running those departments, the compositors, matte and digital animation artists who must have nearly burned out getting R1 to the screen on time. It must have been the VFX supervisors nightmare!
I personally would really like to see a directors cut of R1 somewhere down the line, given the size of the SW fan base out there ,there would be strong market for it,because given the pressures they were under to get this out there must be an improvable version, despite the fact its a great film.
Its whether or not Garth Edwards gets the time to go back to this, whether Lucasfilm and Dsiney let him, and if , given the huge volume of VFX blockbusters waiting completion ,they simply have the people available to redo it later down the line.
Plus, with all thats inevitably got to be happening after Carries sad loss to us alll , its what they might have to do with VIII now, so that reworking it and the episode IXs script honors everything she and her Leia brought the SW universe.And thats going to be a harder challenge I imagine.
More commonly I have noticed occasional VFX issues from cinema versions corrected upon the release of the DVD's. As I mentioned before, I always find there is a general slight improvement in viewing quality, particularly with the blurays, so that most VFX shots these days look seamlessly integrated with the live action. The "deaged" characters in Marvel always look much better on home screenings, rather than on the cinema.
Given the time constraints they were under to rework R1 anyway its a minor miracle the overall film works as well as it does. The BO performance has been strong and the approval ratings high, and its a great film but alot more has been leaking out about how much was reshot and it was larger than I ever imagined, much closer to that figure that was banded about originally.
There were many multiple takes and versions of scenes, and as we know now an almost completely revised ending. So much so apparently, you could cut a significantly different film together with the alternatives. There does seem to be a trend for this these days,particularly where the script has been rather rushed out that the director shoots a mass of footage in the hope that what they eventually cut together quickly works. Unfortunately this ends up being more the work of a commitee, rather than a single directors vision, but its the new way with franchises.
And, thanks to digital production softwear that makes the time savings possible its all the more likely to continue to happen.So much can be done so quickly in post production.Which makes the real heros these days the guys that are running those departments, the compositors, matte and digital animation artists who must have nearly burned out getting R1 to the screen on time. It must have been the VFX supervisors nightmare!
I personally would really like to see a directors cut of R1 somewhere down the line, given the size of the SW fan base out there ,there would be strong market for it,because given the pressures they were under to get this out there must be an improvable version, despite the fact its a great film.
Its whether or not Garth Edwards gets the time to go back to this, whether Lucasfilm and Dsiney let him, and if , given the huge volume of VFX blockbusters waiting completion ,they simply have the people available to redo it later down the line.
Plus, with all thats inevitably got to be happening after Carries sad loss to us alll , its what they might have to do with VIII now, so that reworking it and the episode IXs script honors everything she and her Leia brought the SW universe.And thats going to be a harder challenge I imagine.
Father
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In hindsight it should have been called Suicide Squad - A Star Wars Story.
Nothing about the score particulalry didn't scream "I need this!!"
I don't really get why the themes from the other movies can't be used. Most of them are not specific to characters as much as just being iconically Star Wars.
The plot holes were minimal IMO. I am not as deeply entrenched in the canon though.
I found the lack of Jedi kind of refreshing. Probably becaue there was enough in EP 2 and 3 to last a while. I did kind of hope the blind guy was going to flip the lever using the force at the end though.
I find it a little irritating that the K-2SO droid was never seen before or after this movie. We have had R2 Creepio for 3 generations.
Nothing about the score particulalry didn't scream "I need this!!"
I don't really get why the themes from the other movies can't be used. Most of them are not specific to characters as much as just being iconically Star Wars.
The plot holes were minimal IMO. I am not as deeply entrenched in the canon though.
I found the lack of Jedi kind of refreshing. Probably becaue there was enough in EP 2 and 3 to last a while. I did kind of hope the blind guy was going to flip the lever using the force at the end though.
I find it a little irritating that the K-2SO droid was never seen before or after this movie. We have had R2 Creepio for 3 generations.
Toadmeister
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There are solutions to this, simply cut and past a K-2SO droid into future video and disk releases . Of course if that were done, purist fans would cry foul like Lucas' Special Editions!
There is no solution that will satisfy all fans! Instead, come up with your own solution in your imagination such as K2s only existed in certain ground-based garrisons or none were ordered for the Death Star and fleet due to software issues...
My point is, they are just movies that span decades and were not created in a linear order. If that spoils your enjoyment, try Star Trek as they have no such continuity issues, none at all.
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I had my third viewing yesterday and really enjoyed the soundtrack. I haven't listened to it removed from the film but I found it very effective and often poignant. David Collins provides his first of many breakdowns if the score on the most recent Star Wars Oxygen podcast and it's a terrific listen.
http://rebelforceradio.libsyn.com/star-wars-oxygen-vol-38-rogue-one-part-1
http://rebelforceradio.libsyn.com/star-wars-oxygen-vol-38-rogue-one-part-1
Bones_68
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It's interesting to go back and read everyone's reactions to the CGI Tarkin and Leia. I've only seen the movie once so far, in 2D. I felt like Tarkin mostly worked except for a couple of shots that held too long but I was floored by the Leia shot. It didn't seem wonky to me at all, really.
KrangPrime
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i remember it looking badly pixelated and jumpy.. or giving off that effect.
I thought it was a remarkable achievement and know of many people who were not aware of Peter Cushing and thought it was a real person.
Toadmeister
Sr Member
That is high praise when an audience can't tell it's an effect. My 9-year old was one of them.
I wish I could view those scenes in that way. Even though I tried remaining spoiler free, I knew what was coming and knew Crushing or Fisher wasn't there. This forces scrutiny and somewhat ruins the effect for me. Overall, I appreciated how it was used for storytelling.
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