Father
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Or more specifically the tail rotor spinning to stop right between the legs of the male hero inches away from splitting his ballbag.
Robocop Reboot (Pre-release)
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Or more specifically the tail rotor spinning to stop right between the legs of the male hero inches away from splitting his ballbag.
Mola Rob
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Here's a few.
Specific to action
- The big muscled dude who has to crack his neck before a fight to signify his manliness. Boy can't get enough of that!
- The super hero pose when landing from a long jump.
- Wire-fu action that looks about as realistic as Joan Rivers’ face.
- The big showpiece CGI sequence that goes on for fifteen minutes even though it got boring after two minutes.
- The sulky boy/man who has father and/or authority issues who learns to be responsible and a strategic genius over the course of two hours.
- The snarky dialogue between a man and woman signifying they’re perfect for each other.
- The not so subtle setup for a sequel.
- The media name dropping about who will be the next villain in any given franchise…like this is the only important thing to anyone in the world today.
- The super duper “banging on the drums” that inevitably shows up in any movie soundtrack nowadays.
- Cillian Murphy as a villain. He can play a good guy to you idiots.
I agree. I also think part of it might be that the 80s was the tail end of the renegade film makers like you had in the 70s who weren't afraid to try things and the execs weren't either. Not to mention in the 80s not all the studios were owned by corporations like pepsi.
I was watching a documentary on Richard Zanuck and he even said alot of the passion went out the door when the studios were bought by big corporations and ceased being their own entities. he got his understanding of film making while growing up on the studio in the golden years his dad was running them then he had to work his way up from story department. Oddly OCP in the original 2 movies kinda reminds me of hollywood, clueless folks messing with stuff they shouldn't be.
Now all you got is guys with dollar signs in their eyes and no clue of what a movie should be.
Reading the last several posts I feel like a guy looking at cold women on a nudist beach, I can see everyone's points and they are all good.
For me I am can separate the two movies. I love Robocop it was and still is a great movie. This new one once I see it, if I like it it will just be another version of the same idea. I can enjoy remakes without them ruining the originals for me.
For me I am can separate the two movies. I love Robocop it was and still is a great movie. This new one once I see it, if I like it it will just be another version of the same idea. I can enjoy remakes without them ruining the originals for me.
Father
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Did you not see Rambo? That movie was HI-larious. I don't think that was the intent though. :/
The gratuitous gore in that movie was in keeping with the original Robocop, it just lacked the biting humorously undertoned jabs that Robo made at the media, corporations, etc. Maybe they'll make another Rambo now that he's home again where he joins Occupy Wall Street.
Anyway... this new Robo doesn't look like it has any intention of trying to go that route. It's all about style and effects and an unstretched face.
I'm sure it's already been said, but I just have to put my 2 cents in.
The only reason why Robocop is considered a classic is not because it was an action film but because it was a satire.
I saw Robocop on a free pre-release screening in college in 1986(?). I thought it was going to be some standard Sci-Fi action B-movie. And, had that been the case, nobody today would have even remembered the film ever existed. It was a pointed black comedy that was unlike anything else we'd seen before - not for the effects (which were on par with effects of the era), but for the subtext.
Robocop (not unlike like, Fight Club) was frequently misunderstood by viewers and many film critics who thought the violence was more exploitative than necessary ... which was missing the point entirely.
In fact, the funniest thing about Robocop was that, as we laugh at the comical excess of violence, we are actually participating in the film's thesis about dehumanization of violence in social media .... i.e. we, the viewers, are actually a part of the film's ultimate joke. Unfortunately, not everyone "got it." Robocop is a black comedy.
You can't reboot satire in the same way that you can't update an old joke... because it's been told before.
But in the typical Hollywood fashion (a la Total Recall) the purpose of funding a "reboot" is simply to cannibalize the name of a known commodity in order to augment the marketing of an otherwise typical Hollywood special-effects "blockbuster." It's nearly impossible to sincerely reboot a film that is, at it's core, a social and political satire specific to one time in US History (arguably some remains relevant today, but the distinct corporate setting was really reflective of that time in the 80's when films like Wall Street were also set).
It's conceivable that an insightful writer might use the Robocop platform for an updated modern social and political commentary, but we all know that's not likely going to be the case with this "reboot" borne in an era full of "reboots.
This new film is just going to be an effects extravaganza with the name "Robocop" attached to it, that's all. I predict that thirty years from now people will still remember Robocop (and Total Recall) as Verhoeven films. I think the reboots will be eventually forgotten.
FWIW I haven't read anything about the upcoming film (but I will) so this post is a knee-jerk reaction to the knowledge that a reboot is happening. I'm 99% certain I'm right.
The only reason why Robocop is considered a classic is not because it was an action film but because it was a satire.
I saw Robocop on a free pre-release screening in college in 1986(?). I thought it was going to be some standard Sci-Fi action B-movie. And, had that been the case, nobody today would have even remembered the film ever existed. It was a pointed black comedy that was unlike anything else we'd seen before - not for the effects (which were on par with effects of the era), but for the subtext.
Robocop (not unlike like, Fight Club) was frequently misunderstood by viewers and many film critics who thought the violence was more exploitative than necessary ... which was missing the point entirely.
In fact, the funniest thing about Robocop was that, as we laugh at the comical excess of violence, we are actually participating in the film's thesis about dehumanization of violence in social media .... i.e. we, the viewers, are actually a part of the film's ultimate joke. Unfortunately, not everyone "got it." Robocop is a black comedy.
You can't reboot satire in the same way that you can't update an old joke... because it's been told before.
But in the typical Hollywood fashion (a la Total Recall) the purpose of funding a "reboot" is simply to cannibalize the name of a known commodity in order to augment the marketing of an otherwise typical Hollywood special-effects "blockbuster." It's nearly impossible to sincerely reboot a film that is, at it's core, a social and political satire specific to one time in US History (arguably some remains relevant today, but the distinct corporate setting was really reflective of that time in the 80's when films like Wall Street were also set).
It's conceivable that an insightful writer might use the Robocop platform for an updated modern social and political commentary, but we all know that's not likely going to be the case with this "reboot" borne in an era full of "reboots.
This new film is just going to be an effects extravaganza with the name "Robocop" attached to it, that's all. I predict that thirty years from now people will still remember Robocop (and Total Recall) as Verhoeven films. I think the reboots will be eventually forgotten.
FWIW I haven't read anything about the upcoming film (but I will) so this post is a knee-jerk reaction to the knowledge that a reboot is happening. I'm 99% certain I'm right.
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Father
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At least with Total Recall there's original source material that could have been used instead of recycling the movie as the source material. Sort of like I Am Legend... It would be refreshing when a reboot stuck closer to the original source. Like if they ever did another Dune movie... I liked David Lynch's Dune, but it wasn't 100% true to the book in every regard.
Problem is a lot of the newer generation of toolbag directors don't bother to read the book that a movie is based on, even if it's a short story, and just use the previous movie as a sort of Cliffs Notes.
Alex Maxwell
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I'm still confused as to why they stuck his flesh-and-blood hand on the robot body rather than keep him all robotic except for the face. It just seems like a kind of silly and round-about thing to do as far as surgery goes. Not judging it as a remake, it just didn't impact me all that much. The trailer lacked a substantial hook [for me personally]. Now, there are things that irritate me in regards to the original as far as the suit and the manner in which he needs to be turned into robocob. Robocop is supposed to be kinda tanky, slow, but damn effective. The current suit of the remake lacks that bulky shape language.
Oh, and they got rid of his Auto 9 for something that just looks like a tweaked Lawgiver Mk II. I was very displeased that we aren't getting the modified Beretta Auto 9. That is like changing the shape and design of Batman's batarangs.
Oh, and they got rid of his Auto 9 for something that just looks like a tweaked Lawgiver Mk II. I was very displeased that we aren't getting the modified Beretta Auto 9. That is like changing the shape and design of Batman's batarangs.
Father
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The hand is definitely retarded. Unless they give a really good explanation for it, it makes no sense.
They definitely could have done better with the gun too. Why does everything have to be CG'ed. I'd have been happy with the old Auto 9 as well.
nitrox
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Which has happened in every Batman movie, ever.
Alex Maxwell
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There is a movie where the batarang isn't bat shaped and isn't thrown?
nitrox
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The Batarang is bat shaped but the design and overall shape of the bat changes in pretty much all the movies. Throwing a batarang has no bearing on your original statement at all, that is the usage of the object.
Sandman0077
Sr Member
I think he's getting at the fact that Robocop is known for using a beefed up beretta. Like Batman is known for using batarangs. They could have easily used a updated version of the Auto 9, but instead they chose whatever that pos is he's using now.
To me Robocop belongs in the 80s when things weren't so tranquilized. Being PC has been distorted into something else now -- this movement of subjugated obedience more along the lines of Robo 2 where the therapist says "I type it, you think it." People act like they more clued in yet many trust anything they read or see on the internet. The 80's had charm and flare - large excessive violence was the norm - theres no way he can be what he was or more importantly what he's supposed to be in our modern times.
Jose Padilha: "I love the sharpness and political tone of RoboCop , and I think that such a film is now urgently needed. But I will not repeat what [Paul] Verhoeven has done so clearly and strongly," ... "Instead I try to make a film that will address topics that Verhoeven untreated. If you are a man changes into a robot, how do you do that? What is the difference between humans and robots? What is free will? What does it mean to lose your free will? Those are the issues that I think."
In other words, he's remaking Blade Runner.
In other words, he's remaking Blade Runner.
Wetwired
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In sweden "Robocop" was cut 12 minutes for the theatrical release. All violent scenes. When I confronted one of the censors at "statens biografbyrå" about it and asked why "Young Guns" hadn't been cut at all, the answer was that it was timeperiod appropriate. That "Robocop" took place in the near future seemed to have alluded them.
rodneyfaile
Sr Member
If they took this reboot to the edge, pushed some boundaries, would it make as much money as a PG-13 Ironman clone?
Mola Rob
Sr Member
It remains to be seen if it will make any money at all but in my opinion playing it safe is going to hurt the industry in the long run.
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