Rewatched Tron Legacy (ramble on)

[CB2001]

I love Legacy.

There is a little glitch that keeps bugging me.

When they talk about Flynn, they mention his two most famous game programs as Space Paranoids and Tron.

Well Alan wrote Tron is it was NOT a game.

Just sayin'.

And the Soundtrack is awesome, first new soundtrack I have bought in 10 years.

Well, according to Flynn Lives ARG and even the TRON: Betrayal comic (and its even mentioned in the non-canon TRON 2.0 video game), after the events of the first film, Kevin Flynn developed an arcade game based on his experiences in the computer system from the first film. And he even asked Alan if it was okay to reuse his program's name for the arcade game. So, there are basically two in-story items named TRON: 1. Alan's Security Program 2. The arcade game that Kevin Flynn created based on his adventure from the first film.

I hope that clears up any confusion, as it appears that you were mixing up the arcade game with Alan Bradley's program.

 

[micdavis]

I did not know that. Thank you.

I never played, owned or was aware of anything that happened in the game.

 

[CB2001]

I did not know that. Thank you.

I never played, owned or was aware of anything that happened in the game.

It's no problem. The filmmakers tried to give the hint in the film that after the events with Flynn that he made the arcade game about what happened to him (not only is the game mentioned in the news report, but the arcade machine featured in the film was the same arcade game that was released at the time the original film came out by Bally/Midway, only with the main marquee changed to show that the game was created by Encom within the film's universe. So, logic deduces that for the story universe's version of the TRON game is the same as the game in our world).

 

[Laspector]

You know what? I am actually going to retract some of the things I have said earlier.. Legacy was on one of the movie channels the other night and I watched it again..I will have to admit that this time I really enjoyed it. It's still not the Tron movie I would have liked but it really is NOT a bad movie.

The disc war is really cool...The light cycle game, while still not what I wanted, was indeed pretty cool...The music is awesome.

The cinematography is really good. I may get blasted for saying this--but there is a lot of a "Kubrick" feel to the look of this film. The stark contrasts of color, the linear perspective, the lighting--all kind of reminded me of 2001 and Clockwork Orange....

There is also a lot of Bladerunner going on in this movie.

I think this thread has helped me appreciate this film more than I did before. I think I was finally able to let go of what "I wanted" and just go with it. And I really enjoyed it the most on this 6th or 7th viewing.. Looking deeper into more of the underlying motivations of the charactors, that have been explained here, opened my eyes a little bit.

So bravo you guys! I am always willing to admit if I am wrong and I think I was.

I still have a few nitpicks though; no 90 degree turns on the lightcycles and I wish that when they had done some of the flashbacks of Flynn and Tron they had done that in the style of the first movie. It could have been a little different but I think it would have helped to tie the two movies together. And I still think the Rinzler/Tron deal was not played up enough. It still seems like an afterthought to me..

BUT, all that said, I have changed my opinion of this movie:thumbsup

 

[firesprite]

You know what? I am actually going to retract some of the things I have said earlier.. Legacy was on one of the movie channels the other night and I watched it again..I will have to admit that this time I really enjoyed it. It's still not the Tron movie I would have liked but it really is NOT a bad movie.

The disc war is really cool...The light cycle game, while still not what I wanted, was indeed pretty cool...The music is awesome.

The cinematography is really good. I may get blasted for saying this--but there is a lot of a "Kubrick" feel to the look of this film. The stark contrasts of color, the linear perspective, the lighting--all kind of reminded me of 2001 and Clockwork Orange....

There is also a lot of Bladerunner going on in this movie.

I think this thread has helped me appreciate this film more than I did before. I think I was finally able to let go of what "I wanted" and just go with it. And I really enjoyed it the most on this 6th or 7th viewing.. Looking deeper into more of the underlying motivations of the charactors, that have been explained here, opened my eyes a little bit.

So bravo you guys! I am always willing to admit if I am wrong and I think I was.

I still have a few nitpicks though; no 90 degree turns on the lightcycles and I wish that when they had done some of the flashbacks of Flynn and Tron they had done that in the style of the first movie. It could have been a little different but I think it would have helped to tie the two movies together. And I still think the Rinzler/Tron deal was not played up enough. It still seems like an afterthought to me..

BUT, all that said, I have changed my opinion of this movie:thumbsup

Kudos to you for being able to keep an open mind and your willingness to admit to change. :thumbsup

 

[DARTH SABER]

The cinematography is really good. I may get blasted for saying this--but there is a lot of a "Kubrick" feel to the look of this film. The stark contrasts of color, the linear perspective, the lighting--all kind of reminded me of 2001 and Clockwork Orange....

I consider myself a pretty big Kubrick fan and you wont get any complaints from me about the Kubrick style comparison. I noticed the same thing when I saw the film. Aside from the scene which seemed to be inspired by Kubrick (2001: A Space Odyssey dinner scene, Clockwork Orange Zuse dance act), the cinemtagraphy used a lot of symmetrical centered composition, which very few directors use since it takes a bit more work to pull off. It was refreshing to see a film use this type of composition again, instead of the rule of thirds.

 

[Wakeem]

What do you mean by linked copy?

I guess I'll have to define what I mean in my next post. But it is a big idea presented in Legacy that it seems like many missed.

If you feel it damages any characters motivations and intelligences, could you please point out examples of what you mean?

I'll get to what I believe are the problems with Legacy. I want to watch it one more time and get my notes together.

Anyone else think Clu was a linked copy of Flynn?

 

[Larry Young]

Anyone else think Clu was a linked copy of Flynn?

I'd love to answer you but I don't know what you mean. Unless you mean linked clone? Of course many missed it as it is a term of art.

 

[Qrest Fourstar]

I rewatched it the other say myself. I love the flick, great sequel. I will admit tho, the lip sync on the young kevin flynn is off a bit, but otherwise looked spectacular.

Also looking forward to the new cartoon series.

 

[Larry Young]

I'm not sure the sync is off; I watched TRON the other day and Jeff Bridges has a wacky speaking musculature. I think the sync looks off because live Bridges looks like that when he speaks.

 

[MFP 2020]

I'm not sure the sync is off; I watched TRON the other day and Jeff Bridges has a wacky speaking musculature. I think the sync looks off because live Bridges looks like that when he speaks.

I think the sync looks off because they can't do CGI lips any better than they do in the E*Trade talking baby commercials.

Having the villain look inferior to secondary characters really just accentuates the not-quite-there CGI. I was happier with the movie the first time I saw it. It was a CAM version on a friend's smartphone.

All this is just my opinion. You can have your own, if you want to be stupid.

(I kid.) :angel

 

[CB2001]

Oh, and by the way....

Will We See Cindy Morgan Return As Yori/Lora For Tron 3?

I TOTALLY hope this happens.

 

[micdavis]

Lacey Underall......yeah baby.

 

[Jeyl]

Well, from what I've read, Spinmasters (the company that made the toys) had no idea about how little screentime the helmet had in the film when they made the figure. By the time they found out, they began planning a Series 3 line that would have included not only an unmasked Quorra, but a pre-Clu Coup TRON without helmet as well. But that fell through due to the decline in sales (who knows, they may resurrect the line due to TRON: Uprising).

Really? I thought the reason they put the helmet on her was because Olivia Wilde wouldn't let Spinmasters have the rights to her likeness. You remember the Terminator Salvation toy line? Playmates couldn't clear Christian Bale's likeness so all of the John Conner figures were essentially regular resistance figures that were wearing huge helmets with goggles so you couldn't see his face. The best one was the smaller John Conner figure that wore a face covering scarf with glasses and a cap. Funny part is when you actually watch the movie, that's what Kyle Reese wears! Not John Conner.

The only toys I got from the Tron line were the diecast vehicles, especially the light jets.

 

[Wakeem]

Really? I thought the reason they put the helmet on her was because Olivia Wilde wouldn't let Spinmasters have the rights to her likeness.

Sideshow Toys better get Olivia Wilde's likeness for their Quorra statue. Or else no sale.

 

[nickytea]

Don't worry, Spinmaster had the likeness rights. Over on the Tron-Sector boards one of their employees let slip that there was a helmetless Quorra ready to go before the line got dropped.

 

[CB2001]

Really? I thought the reason they put the helmet on her was because Olivia Wilde wouldn't let Spinmasters have the rights to her likeness. You remember the Terminator Salvation toy line? Playmates couldn't clear Christian Bale's likeness so all of the John Conner figures were essentially regular resistance figures that were wearing huge helmets with goggles so you couldn't see his face. The best one was the smaller John Conner figure that wore a face covering scarf with glasses and a cap. Funny part is when you actually watch the movie, that's what Kyle Reese wears! Not John Conner.

The only toys I got from the Tron line were the diecast vehicles, especially the light jets.

As nickytea said (above), Spinmasters had the rights to Olivia's likeness. It's just that they weren't properly inform on the amount of time the helmet was featured. If they did, they probably would have released a helmetless Quorra as a part of Series 1. But it was after they saw the movie they realized the mistake. It wasn't a likeness rights issue.

Like I said before, fans over at Tron-Sector have a whole topic dedicated to customizing the figures. In fact, one user is trying to figure out how to replace the one block LED that are on the board so that you can just swap out the LED in Rinzler instead of replacing the whole board. But since the figure's torso is casted in orange, it's hard to say if it'll do anything. And some of the headswaps and suggestions for figures I've seen have been rather impressive.

It's safe to say we won't be seeing a Series 3 for the T:L line now. In fact, if you look on the back of the card for Series 2, the one figure that actually had a very limited run was the Castor figure (good luck coming across one of them. One user over at the Tron-Sector did manage to get his hands on it, but they are really rare). When the next film comes out, and if Quorra is a character in that film, and if Spinmasters does the figures for the next film, then it's safe to say that we'll have a Quorra figure that won't have a helmet.

 

[Bandit-Jedi]

Time to join in on the fun.

I can say that seeing Tron: Legacy in the theater the first time I left myself open and allowed for it to stand on its own. I came out thinking it was a good movie, not great.

Time goes by and the Blu-ray is released in which I get the 5-disc set so it would eventually force me to get a 3D HDTV (which it did) and over the past year i have become a LEGACY NUT!
Watching the film at home allowed me to become immersed in The Grid and really connect with the characters in the film. Certain aspects that didn't affect me the first viewing definitely resonate on multiple viewings such as the Genocide of the ISO's, as their towers are attacked and you hear the screams and it just reminds me of the horrible reality of the events of 9/11. The moment in Flynn's where CLU is studying all these objects and remembering the interaction with Kevin and the broken promises he saw. With Quorra, what can I say...I'm in love with that character (as well as Olivia Wilde) and her innocence. The way she laughs and her eye movement during the awkward moment in the dinner scene, yet she is determined and strong. Definitely a great female character for a film.
The world that was created for these characters to interact in is unbelievable, just as it was in the first.
I completely look forward to another Tron film.

I can't say how much better this film is in 3D. It really puts you on the Grid when watching it at home. The first time I watched it here I actually ducked when Sam threw his disc at Rinzler after he had gotten his Dad's disc back. The lightcycles are AMAZING in 3D, as are the light jets. The jet walls that are created just pull you in so well.

 

[Nexus6]

...It's one of those movies that if I see it on one of the movie channels while surfing channels, I'll stop and watch it, no matter where it is in the movie.

* Love the characters (I know Qorra isn't a lot of people's favorite, but I like her a lot)
* Loved seeing Bruce on the big screen again
* Love, love LOVE the score by Daft Punk
* I liked the story in that it built off the prior movie's storyline and didn't spoonfeed me explanations of what's going on. They gave just enough to get people up to speed without making people who've seen and enjoyed the first movie feel like we're being forced to sit through tons of unnecessary exposition...

I agree with all ^THIS^.

I liked the film quite a bit when I saw it in the theater. I find I like it more with each subsequent viewing.

 

[ModernDayMarc]

Like Bandit said, time for me to join in =]

I love, love, LOVE, LOVED this movie!
I left the theater xmas eve last year so blown away, I couldn't believe it. I thought "hey: i'll like this. I loved Tron, why not!?"

I believe not having unrealistic expectations is key to accepting a movie like this when you think of the amount of time it took them to make a sequel, and what kind of changes and impact that has on a story and how you have to detach yourself a little bit from what you're so familiar with (ie, the original film).

I was obsessed after first viewing. I saw Legacy 3 times in the theater, and wanted to go back for more but it stopped showing! =] I immediately got the soundtrack and listen to part or most of it literally almost every day since I got it. Loved the story, loved the dialogue, the references to the first movie, loved the actors/acting. The design/look of everything in the grid was just stupidly amazing.

But for me, what fascinated/intrigued/made me love it in a whole different way apart from all other films I love, were the COSTUMES! I've never thought about cosplaying, or costume making, or props or anything like it until Legacy. Making my costume, and finding this site, and talking to all the nice people on here has been such a fun adventure. I wouldn't be here if it weren't for the awesomeness of Legacy =] I owe it all to Legacy.
And I think I can speak for others that found their way here solely because they thought it was just as amazing as I did.

Not to mention, going to cons and Halloween parties this year in my costume, and the massive reactions and compliments I got from it made me feel so out-of-this-world euphoric, it's hard to articulate it in words. I owe that feeling not only to everyone on this site that helped me and inspired me along the way, but most obviously, all the talented people that made Legacy happen.

THAT'S how much I thought this film was the best movie I've seen since I saw Star Wars when I was 5.