Rewatched Tron Legacy (ramble on)

I didnt think Id like it at all opening night. I walked away thinking "that was not Tron"
Days passed more started to feel abit better in my head after rethinking about parts.
Then after a rewatch on DVD I felt like alot worked...and worked well.
Now I feel comfortable say.."Yes, this is a Tron movie"!
Cant wait for more...
Love the soundtrack too.
 
How did Murphy's character start working for Encom if he didn't get hired? Am I missing something?

I wondered about the hiring, too. That stuck out more than the cg. I loved the movie and it hit harder on the second viewing.

The way I picked up, especially with the board room scene and "The Next Day" video, is that Dillenger Jr. had to work his way up to where he is. I figured the name Dillenger sort of came with a stigma that Jr. had to work hard to shake from. Alan says in "The Next Day" that "Junior earned his place" when Ram asked him about who of the board was out and brought up Dillenger Jr.

Honestly, there are some scenes where the digital Jeff Bridges doesn't work. For the opening scene, I think that if they had just saved showing the digital head until the final moment when he turns around and says "We're always on the same side" (which to me is actually the best shot of the CG in the whole scene), it would have had a better impact too (making that the first time we see the CG, but it being the last time Sam sees Flynn). The rest of the time, I think most of the CG scenes work because in some cases, they are covered with distortion (all the flashback scenes and the TV news broadcast after Flynn disappears are good example) and depending on the lighting (the scene where Sam comes face to face with CLU for the first time is a good example while the EOLC scene isn't). But that's just 1% of the time, the other 98% of the time worked out well (the other 1% is when CLU is wearing a helmet).

Now, I know many people may not like Quorra, but I do. I think Olivia Wilde did a great job in showing the innocence and nativity of the character (whereas before she was primarily known for her head strong and overtly sexual Thirteen character from House, which is actually opposite of Quorra. And for Wilde to take on the role of Quorra actually shows that she's not just a pretty face and meant only for "the hot and sexy chick" role, but shows that she could potentially be a more diverse actress than she initially appeared to be, if given the chance and the right role).

As for why the film has the name TRON if he was only in it for about .00002 comment, let me tell you something: What else COULD you call it? People see the world of the story as "The TRON universe." TRON 2.0 was set in that universe, yet doesn't feature the original TRON anywhere (though Bruce Boxleitner was in the game as Alan and there are references to TRON himself in the in-game e-mails). Why? Because that is how the world of the story is designed and people associate that world with TRON. That's why people call the Star Trek Universe the Star Trek Universe (and not the Enterprise Crew universe), why the Star Wars Universe the Star Wars universe (and not the Skywalker and Company universe). The name TRON is a brand that is associated with that world and those characters in that particular story. Besides, TRON was in the film. He was in the film more than that, but as Rinzler. It's only after we discover the truth about Rinzler do we realize he's been there the whole time.
 
I'm guessing that's probably the laser switching to read the second layer of the disc which is why it happens at the same exact point every time. I see it on some movies too every once in a while.

didnt think od that one, but its the only disc in my collection of over 800 discs that does it. right after he fixes cora and is awaiting her to re awaken and at the end of that scene its freeze time - the dvd player then has to be turned off at the mains as everything locks up and no function works be it open the tray, turn off, forward , menu etc etc.
 
It's not that I thought it was a bad movie per se. I've actually watched it about 5 times now. I just thought it wasn't a good TRON movie. It just felt too disconnected to the first one. Just not in the same universe, yeah I know computers upgrade and all, but still it just seemed to have no relation to the first one. It felt more like a Matrix movie than a TRON movie.

They could have just changed the title and the charactors names and just made it a totally new movie unto itself. Then I think it would have worked better.

And the idea of the ISOs was, to me, just pointless. It didn't really add anything to the movie.

Again, it's not a bad movie, it's just a bad TRON movie IMHO.
 
The best movie going experience I ever had was seeing Tron Legacy in IMAX 3D. That was friggin' awesome! :cool:thumbsup:thumbsup

When the next Tron comes out, I'm hitting the IMAX.
 
Just not in the same universe, yeah I know computers upgrade and all, but still it just seemed to have no relation to the first one. It felt more like a Matrix movie than a TRON movie.

Of course it's the same universe, and of course it doesn't have the same relation to the first film. We're talking about a different type of computer system with a different type of O/S. The servers we see in T:L is different from the Encom-511 servers from the first one. We're not just talking about a different overall appearance, but we're talking about an entirely different system, with different hardware and software configuration. For all we know, the inside of a smartphone may look like the inside of Flynn's hideout in T:L while another computer, let's say a laptop, may have a florescent green sky and a red grid design. Remember, Flynn's Grid was meant to be a sandbox server. Sandbox software may be drastically different than the typical file server software that Encom was using on the Encom-511. So, obviously the look is going to be drastically different.

But from a filmmaker's standpoint, the original in-computer world looks rather cheesy nowadays. I'm not knocking the film, but I can see why design of the world presented in the first film wasn't used in this film. Yes, it is easier to recreate it, but it is so far detached from what a modern audience would get. It's sort of the same reason behind why Abarams' redesigned Enterprise and interior. You could recreate the TOS bridge no problem (as fans have done it with for fan films like The New Voyages aka Phase 2). But in comparison to what we've seen in the other shows of Star Trek, the bridge design is rather cheesy and is far disassociated from the original show's design. The same is true with the world of TRON. At the time it came out, it was amazing. Anyone who grew up in the 1990s or later would look at it and think it's way too cartoony. Yes, we could have had a mid-way point, and we did (with the TRON 2.0 game), but can we really show the evolution of the in-computer world without boring the audience to death? With their short attention spans, no. But I can say this: I bet that when it comes to the next TRON film (if and when it comes out), the inside of the Encom servers are going to be even more drastically different from what we've seen in the first film or the second one (because as Larry pointed out, the inside world of a modern computer may be drastically different than an old Apple II).
 
Didn't Bruce Boxleitner confirm that Tron 3 was already in the works during D23 a few months back?

Bruce Boxleitner Confirms Tron 3 for 2013 | WorstPreviews.com

"The fan asked if Boxleitner will return for the third film, obviously trying to get the actor to confirm whether the third film is even being considered. "That's already a done deal," he said about returning for part 3. "It's already in the works."

Film Thrasher: THE NEWS BUNDLE: Bruce Boxleitner Confirms 'Tron 3' to Fans at D23 Expo

"The video above, taken from AICN, is a fan interaction with Bruce Boxleitner, the man who plans Alan Bradley/Tron, at the D23 Expo last weekend. Mr. Boxleitner assures that Tron 3 is a done deal, and that work will start next year for a 2013 release!"



On a side note, I also enjoyed Tron Legacy very much. I was never really a big fan of the original film (although I did enjoy it) but I enjoyed this film much more.
I thought the film set up the process for a sequel very well and really got me interested in knowing what might happen next.

SPOILERS -

BTW, regarding the chip around Sam's neck...What do you think was on it?
I thought for certain it was his fathers ID info (so that he may possibly bring back his father in the next film), but many people think it's the entire grid.

???



DS
 
Sorry, try again.
Not only was it not pointless, it was, to a large degree, the point.

Sorry, disagree.

It seemed to me the point of the movie was Sam trying to rescue his Father from a system taken over by Clu.

The ISOs just seemed like a side plot that never went anywhere. Tell me again, how exactly did they change the world?
 
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At the end, Kevin sacrificed himself to prove a scientific/philosophical point. Souls generated in the grid independent of his work, and Quorra was a living hottie in reality at the end because of it. Everything that happens in the film is in service of proving ISOs are capital-L life.
 
Sorry, try again.
Not only was it not pointless, it was, to a large degree, the point.

They may have intended it to be the point but the way it was written it really did turn out to be not much more than a side point. IMO, when all is said and done, it wasn't the miraculous super stupendous thing that Kevin was babbling about.
 
They may have intended it to be the point but the way it was written it really did turn out to be not much more than a side point. IMO, when all is said and done, it wasn't the miraculous super stupendous thing that Kevin was babbling about.

Yes, it was. The ISOs (more specifically, Quorra) are a representation on the character level of Kevin's journey of self-realization, and the central thematic statement of the film, depicted by the entire movement of the narrative. It can't be ignored or isolated (forgive me) from the rest of the story.

The whole is contained within the part.
 
Yes, it was. The ISOs (more specifically, Quorra) are a representation on the character level of Kevin's journey of self-realization, and the central thematic statement of the film, depicted by the entire movement of the narrative. It can't be ignored or isolated (forgive me) from the rest of the story.

The whole is contained within the part.

According to you and your textbook analysis it can't be isolated. But to me and others it was an underdeveloped side note and a trivial attempt to give an otherwise entertaining action movie more depth. Your interpretation is only one of many. Neither is right, neither is wrong. I respect your viewpoint even if I don't agree with it. :lol
 
I agree the Isos were underdeveloped, but they were the more interesting point.

The unnecessary side plot for me was CLU trying to take over the world to heighten the stakes. Not only was there no reason for this ("I will create the perfect system. Also, TRY AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD.") but it would've gotten really awkward when they go through the portal and all their armor turned into leather jackets and jeans, and their bad-ass ship and weapons evaporate.

I wished they'd gone a bit more in depth with the Isos, because they are pointing to why there are people living in the computer anyway. The programs are living beings too somehow, and that was interesting, not in a "we've over-explained this concept" kind of way, but in a way worthy of more time devoted to it.
 
At the end, Kevin sacrificed himself to prove a scientific/philosophical point. Souls generated in the grid independent of his work, and Quorra was a living hottie in reality at the end because of it. Everything that happens in the film is in service of proving ISOs are capital-L life.

Exactly. Flynn stated that the ISOs would drastically change a lot of concepts in the our very world. If their existence proves that Kevin Flynn's statement of "the conditions were right" and they came to be without his involvement, then that pretty much explains that life can exist without "God having a hand in it." That's the "religion and philosophy" portion of Flynn's statement to Alan about changing the world. "Science" would also change since Quorra, a digital being, is now in our world, imagine what her DNA and physical being could represent in changing medical sciences (Flynn pretty much said it himself, "disease- history!", which suggests that somehow her DNA and her physical being could be used as the bases of many medical breakthroughs, possibly including the possible cures for some of the most deadly cancers and viruses). We get a greater idea on what could potentially be changed due to her and her being out in our world now.

To some, it seems like a dead end, BUT, this is only one film. For all we know, we may actually get more on how her existing can end up changing our world, as well as some end results of changes due to her existing, in the next film. Basically, due to the ISOs and Quorra being the last one, there's a LOT of ground the could be covered from a writer's point of view. It could clearly be the ISOs were purposefully set up in the first film so that we could see the end results in the next film.
 
If Tron has to be explained to me like a lecture on Citizen Kane, then I feel it's missed the point.

I'll take the original.
 
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