Revell's Resistance X-Wing, with some mods..

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  1. mcusanelli

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    Hey guys,
    I thought I'd share some pics of my X-Wing build. I know that many are unhappy with this new 'beginners' kit, but it was Force Friday, and there it was on the shelf at Target, so I figured I'd see what I could do with it. Turns out, it's a nice basic kit with some surprisingly detailed parts, super-clear canopy, and some nice engraving, at least I think so! The first thing I decided to do is fix the cockpit, and find a pilot that looked right. Fortunatly, I've never thrown away any pilot figure in 45 years of modeling (in fact, all those figures eventually led me to become a sculptor, with a little inspiration from ILM's magnificent artists whose work I'm for ever greatful to!) so, a 1/48 Airfix jet pilot who is way to small for 1/48 scale fit the bill. He was modified with superglue paste (Lock-tite and baby powder) solder wire, and sculpting wax for the fine details I can't do any other way. He got rubber molded and cast in Alumilite, because I know I'm going to do another one of these), and painted with acrylics. The cockpit was cut apart, because all of it's elements are usable,electronics got tossed, and the side consoles and seat were added to a cut down Monogram F-86 cockpit tub. This was then trimmed to fit up against the computer equipment part at the rear, and the control stick made from a piece of paper clip and some masking tape. I also took BB-8's head, and sunk it further down into his socket, to use as the body, and made a new smaller head from a chunk of sprue. I added a piece of styrene rod around the opening to make him appear smaller. The detail was then painted on. I added some height to the seat with some of the plastic left over from the electronics package. All of the interior was painted with British Ocean grey, washed with black, and drybrushed to pick out the details. The instrument panel and coaming are excellent as is, just need a good paint job to bring them to life. The holes in the fuselage for the sounds were filled in with 'crazy-paste', and the cannons were cut off, pinned, and rotated so the orientation of the 'c' things was correct. Apple Barrel and Folk-Art paints were used throughout, custom mixed where necessary. Weathering was done with black washes, I might go back and chip some paint here and there, and maybe make a couple of panels bare metal. Hope you like it!
     

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  2. Gnar Gnar Jinn

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    Very nice job...

    I too picked up this kit, along with the falcon... I haven't started work on the T-70 yet, but I'm pleasantly surprised by the falcon, while simple, the kits are more accurate than I expected, and a wash really transforms them...

    I've been thinking of trying to use the force for change T-70 for my reference, and am trying to figure out my approach... Did you paint before or after assembly?

    *Edit* Did you use acrylics on the ship itself? or just the pilot?
     
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  3. Galactican

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    @mcusanelli : Very well done! :) Too bad you didn't use the electronics. I'm waiting for the Level 2 version since this has better proportions and is much closer to 1:48 scale. However, I too find it a bit weird that the new kits do not come with a pilot figure since all the previous ones did.
    @Gnar Gnar Jinn : I'd love to see some pics of your (washed) Falcon! :)
     
  4. mcusanelli

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    Thanks guys! I had to scrap the electronics to get the BB-8 dome out, and once I stared cutting apart the cockpit, the whole thing got wrecked anyway. It did sound cool though! Back in the day, if the MPC X-Wing had this feature I would have loved it! I only use acrylics, and the Apple Barrel and Folk Art paints are the best I've ever encountered, and are very inexpensive, and airbrush beautifully, stick well to plastic, and even can be applied with a make-up sponge. That's what I did on the bottom fuselage where I filled it in, and on the laser cannon holes.....I cheated on the rest, and used washes of black directly onto the white plastic. I'll seal the whole thing with Micro-scale Clear Flat once I do a little more weathering. And the lack of a pilot was disappointing - but considering how little room there was in the shallow cockpit, he would have looked bad anyway...Kinda like the MPC Snowspeeder pilots!
     
  5. mcusanelli

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    Marcel,
    You know, I keep looking at pics available on the web of the T-70, and I can't see where the lines of this kit are wrong....Maybe it's my eyes! Hell, I have to wear 2 pairs of glasses to see the small parts and to do the pilot, but I think it's pretty close. The only thing I see is the thickness of the cannons, obviously thick so kids (or me!) won't break them....Can you tell me what I'm not seeing? I'm going to get the level 2 kit also, can't wait.
     
  6. blakeh1

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    It looks so much better with a great paint and weathering job. Nice work!

    I'm holding out for the level 2 kit as well, but I may pick one of these up if cheap enough to grab the electronics from it
     
  7. Galactican

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    First of all, the Level 1 kit is smaller than the Level 2 one. In addition, judging from the pics on the Revell home page the Level 2 is sleeker, has finer details (most prominently featured with the guns) and the proportions are fairly dead-on compared to the "real" thing. Here are the images for you to compare:

    sources: http://revell.de/_swSplashContent/product_images/sw-level2/poes-fighter-level1.png
    http://revell.de/_swSplashContent/product_images/sw-level2/poes-fighter-level2.png

    I don't know if it is the perspective of the shots taken but to me the Level 2 version looks much better than the Level 1 one. Too bad that they did not put the electronis into them, too. :)

    It would be great to see some comparison pics of the two.
     
  8. Gnar Gnar Jinn

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    Ask and you shall receive. first time ever doing a model, so the Level 1 Falcon was a nice and (way too) easy icebreaker. Paint needs a lot more work, but them oils take forever to dry...

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    Started off looking like this

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  9. thorst

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    Regarding that comparison picture, I wonder even more what Revell thinks of us modelers. They are almost two individual designs.

    Someone should explain to them the terms "model", "accuracy", "proportions" and "details". According to those images, Revell doesn't seem to know their meaning.

    A sentence from their website:
    "For almost 60 years now Revell has stood for unique expertise in the development and making of true-to-the-original plastic model kits." (http://www.revell.de/en/company/about-us.html)

    :confused

    Thorsten
     
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  10. mcusanelli

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    Gnargnar,
    That is awesome! I'm absolutely getting one!
    Marcel,
    Thanks for the info on the two models, for some reason, and I do think it is me, my copy doesn't seem as stumpy as the pic from Revell......Could the pics be of a prototype of some sort? I may just be dense!
     
  11. Gnar Gnar Jinn

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    I think my level t-70 looks better proportioned than the one in the pic as well.

    It's funny though, I swear the level 1 kit for the falcon is more accurate than the higher level kits. :D
     
  12. jake88

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    I have a level 1 and looking at the level 1 pic you posted, the real thing in person looks much longer and more like your level 2 pic. They may have some slight proportion difs but all in all look pretty close.
     
  13. Galactican

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    Hum, maybe you are right. Too bad I don't have access to the models yet. There is absolutely NO shop selling them anywhere online. Nothing on e**y, a****n, my local model retailers, nothing even on the Revell main page. I guess there is some sort of preliminary home order shopping ban. So I can only judge from the pictures Revell has given... It could be a different lense used for the pics but IMO it would not make much sense to put pictures of out-of-shape models on the main page. Strange. Very strange. [​IMG]

    INDEED!!! :) That fact can be seen in Revell's product pic. Thank you very much for the pics. Your weathering adds A LOT to it. :thumbsup Now it is very hard for me not to skip it... :D

    Is there only the engine sound or are there any other sound effects for the Falcon?

    It is a real shame that they went the easy route and took the old big easy-kit Falcon for the Level 2. I had so many hopes for a new accurate mold and was so disappointed when I saw the pics on Force Friday night. It is really a missed opportunity because with some work they could have delivered a really good large and accurate rendition of the Falcon. The small one proves that they CAN..! :unsure
     
  14. blakeh1

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    Seeing those comparison pics vs the original poster's pics it does indeed seem there is a difference between the level 1 kit pic on Revell's page and the actual level 1 model.

    I wonder if that level 1 pic they are using is an earlier prototype. The actual level 1 kit sure seems to be sleeker and longer like the Level 2 kit
     
  15. mcusanelli

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    I used to work in house for a small toy company, doing prototype models and sculpts. It was a very small group in a small office, so we all saw many aspects of how things worked. I remember that photos of new product needed to be done waaaaay ahead of time and many times, pics of cobbled together models of the at that time unavailable test shots would make it into adds and catalogs, so many times before we ever got a test shot of parts! i know it was long ago, but I wonder if that kind of thing still happens. Who knows! A big company with lots of product to get done, presure from licensors, and believe me, the headaches from licensors can be hell to deal with - Sometimes their decisions lead you to believe they don't know what the hell they're doing, and the people making the product look stupid in the end. I worked for one LARGE company once, and a whole line of toys that marketing thought was great, got pushed into production, even though everyone knew it was crap. the line failed, they lost millions, and of course they fired the R &D team who made the prototypes - Somebody had to be blamed! I really don't think Revell thinks anything negative about modelers, in fact, I think that a lot of decisions that are made on some of these models are out of their hands. To me, they are still a great company, and you have to look at the kits yourself and make your own decisions about what's worth your modeling efforts.
    I'm glad you liked my photos, thank you for the kind words, by the way, it means a lot to me. As a side note, i've been building / modifying th Revel Falcon, the one everyone hates....Got it at walmart on clearance, couldn't stop my self. It really is a very nice kit - Great detail, and once you lower the side walls, it looks like a whole different model, so i think I'm might post some pics of that project next.
     
  16. Gnar Gnar Jinn

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    This kind of thing happens all the time... I see it constantly on TV's, Monitors and other electronics. Saw it this week even! With most manufacturing in China, often times the product managers and marketing teams never see the final product in person until the first production shipment across the sea!
     
  17. Dobber

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    the Level 1 Falcon has 3 sound effects: engine sound, proton torpedoes firing, and blasters. It also has the engine lights when the sound are activated.

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    Recently got the Poe X-wing, have to say it looks quite better than that catalog photo. Proportions seem a little closer to the level 2, but it definitely suffers in the engines 'and laser canons. Still, not bad for practice I suppose.

    Here's a photo of it assembled out of the box. Going to tear it back down and see if I can mod the canons and do a little paint job...

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  19. mcusanelli

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    Maybe my eyesight isn't playing tricks on me after all! You guys see it too. That catalog shot has to be of a mock- up. I'm starting to like the look of Poe's X-wing, didn't like the colors, but they're growing on me. I do think the landing gear suffered from making it retractable / removable. But i almost never build a 'flyin' machine' with it's gear down, so the parts went into the vault. The plastic on the cannons seems to be a bit like vinyl, but I was able to drill into it easily to pin them, and Lock-Tite superglue worked well on them. In retrospect, the barrels are a bit thick, and would look better if some wire were substituted. I look forward to seeing what you do with your kit!
     
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    There is a reason why I am a "Revell-Fan"..! ;)

    Thank you very much for your infos. Meanwhile I do think that they have indeed put a mockup on their site (which caused A LOT of .. well, I'd say, "not very positive" response from modelers all over the world). Agree on the landing gear, but remember how many scratchbuilt an lg for their Revellogram Viper since it came with none. I like having the opportunity to display my model in different ways (even though some of them SCREAM to be shown in action; Viper and X-Wing look better in flight, the Falcon may sit on Bespin's landing platform, too - IMO ;) ). I'm looking forward to seeing more of them. :)
     
  21. Reelo

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    While I'm seriously upset about their SW products line (even though I might still get some "for my son") I love Revell's recent 1:32 Luftwaffe kits (109, 190 etc) They make great kits. Just not great SW kits.
     
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    FYI, I'm a member of www.zealot.com , and there I am known as "Revell-Fan" (mainly because I have grown up with their kits and because they were the first to release BSG and Buck Rogers model kits). ;)
     
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    Galactican,
    You're very welcome! I was a Monogram / Revell fan growing up too. I'll never forget when my older cousin finished his 1/32 scale Spitfire. I was in so in love with that model, I never forgot it, so for birthdays and Christmas, those were always on my list! It's amazing how they still hold up today, and with a bit of TLC they can be fantastic! And I still think the original Monogram Viper is still a better looking kit than the Moebius kit. Now if they would only re-release that buck Roger's Starfighter!!!!
    Reelo - Have you seen the Spitfire Mk 1 that came out last year? It's just beautiful, and it was released for $30...If that was another company, it would have been at least three times as much.
    I found this last night , and there are some pics of the next new X-Wing, and if you look closely, I think the images might be of another mock-up / doctored picture. It looks good, but there's something about it that makes me think this isn't the actual model...I bet it's going to look better in person too! Lets hope....
    http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234988338-star-wars-the-force-awakens/
     
  24. Reelo

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    Yes, haven't bought it though. I'm a Luftwaffe (specifically Bf 109) nut.
    But Revell's recent 109G-6 and G-10 in 1:32 are awesome kits. Cheap, and very very detailed. The only negative points would be the seat-harness moulded onto the seat, and the gear-legs which are split in 2. Thankfully, seats can be sanded and legs can be replaced for metal ones (Eduard has them in bronze and they are gorgeous)
    The biggest critique from me would be that they split the cowling in a way where seams are a mere 1-2mm away from natural panel lines, which is totally stupid. Makes for complicated filling, sanding and rescribing. Other than that, Revell's recent offerings are great.
     
  25. rbeach84

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    Just to throw out that my personal experience with Revell has been quite variable (I think I am still showing the 'scars' from opening their 1/48 F-14 kit which obviously wasn't what was depicted on the box top photo - which was actually I suspect a Tamiya 1/32 scale kit.) Then once Monogram (at the time not yet composited with Revell) issued their F-14 kit, it was obvious the two entities were completely different in their 'mindset'. Tragically, we mostly lost that 'Monogram flavor' though again the Revelogram Co, can still produce excellent model kits as well as some real stinkers (such as the beautifully produced but weirdly inaccurate F/A-18E/F SuperHornet kit...) Given their track record, it is truly disappointing that Revellogram cannot produce nice, accurate and affordable models of the SW vehicles -certainly the technical skills are there! Why this is, I cannot fathom since as a systems guy, I would have thought such silliness would have been rooted out of their process a long time ago.

    But then, perhaps 'wham-bam' quick, cheap & dirty for max bottom line profit is the intention. I suspect the cost of the Disney license is such that they need a quick return to keep the holding company happy. The term 'squeeze the market' comes to mind...
    Sigh.
    R/ Robert
     
  26. thorst

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    ... and now they are reissuing the old Star Wars easy Kit pocket-kits without prepainting as level 3 kits... :facepalm

    Browsing through their products, I really wonder what is the benefit from those box-scales today? Even a kid must be disappointed when the figures from the models of one company don't fit together in scale.

    Revell's policy is just against any real modeler. Sad that they have the absolute monopoly here in Germany's stores - wish there was at least some competition.
     
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    Again, a few thoughts from my old days in house at the toy company....They started out, the two owners, putting together toy bow and arrow sets on a ping pong table in the basement, and over 30 years, they became a 15-20 million dollar company. They knew their product, and what the customers wanted. Successful, right? Then their kids came into the picture, and of course, arrogantly, they thought they knew better. They didn't. In 5 years, they went chapter 11, and a few months later , they were out of business. They knew nothing about the business and ruined everything. I think the same thing goes on at Revell. The owners have changed many times, and the people in charge of new product development probably don't even know that adult modelers are collecting and building sci-fi kits, and think that SW is purely a kid thing, so why should they put the effort into a kit for a 'kid' (I'm a 52 year old kid!) that they put into an Me-109 or a Spitfire, that not too many kids would buy nowadays anyway. I've seen this in action, and was told, 'Stop worrying, it's good enough, nobody cares'. If they only knew!
    Having said all this, I still love Revell's stuff, and personally, I'd like to see lots of builds of their SW stuff, let's see what some good modeling can do to transform these fun kits into beautiful models! If no one objects, my next model posting is going to be another Revell Star Wars kit, hopefully you'll like what I did!
     
  28. Galactican

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    The Y-piece at the rear of the Revellogram Viper is much closer to the original studio model than the Moebius whereas the Moebius features the better thrusters. The Revellogram has raised panel lines and the Moebius' nose is too long. So it is even. ;) Well, there will be a new model soon which hopefully combines the best of both worlds..! (You know what I mean! ;) )

    Speaking of Buck models, a few days ago I made a major coup on e**y. Not the starfighter but the Marauder - sealed box in mint condition for about 40 bucks! Still waiting for it to arrive. :)

    - - - Updated - - -

    Is that confirmed?
     
  29. thorst

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  30. blakeh1

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    It's purely to save packaging cost. They have predefined packaging sizes they can fit the models into instead of having to now get a new box size made. Although I'd really rather they scale the model up or down to the nearest established scale/box size.

    The "pocket kits" though are harder to do that with, although by chance, some pocket kits wind up matching the scale of some of the easy kits

    Still box scale is my only real complaint against Revell
     
  31. thorst

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    Box scale is a major complaint, but I would add insufficient research, inaccuracy, huge panel lines, bad detail because of minimizing parts count and missing love, compromises because of "play"-features such as moving parts, worse-than-state-of-the-art fit, relatively high price for what you get (compared to Bandai)...

    I made much too long the mistake to buy their kits because they are not too bad, but its not fun to look at them and having to make compromises as for how much you want to correct them because if you did everything, you end up with a scratch build. That's not how I want to spend my time and money for a hobby, if I choose to buy a kit.

    Just my opinion.
     
  32. mcusanelli

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    I agree about box scale too, it's like they went backwards in their thinking to the 1950's when no one seemed to care about scale. It's a problem if you want to use figures with your models. As a figure guy, it's the first thing I look at when I get a kit. With only a couple of exceptions, the figures Revell included in the SW kits are terrible, and usually undersized. I have several of the Clone Wars Jedi Starfighters, one of my favorite ships, it is a great little kit, about 1/40 scale. The pilot, Ahsoka, looked, I swear, like it was made out of bubble gum. Tossed it out. Converted / sculpted my own pilot. Yet, the cockpit is beautiful, and the canopy is super clear. Same thing with the movie Jedi Starfighter, excellent model, great cockpit detail, and another lame figure. At least it was close to scale. Now, I sculpt figures for a living so it's no problem for me to come up with a pilot, but I'd be * if I couldn't and wanted to have a pilot in an in-flight model. For a kid, they'd be fine, for an adult, not so much. And yet, the ARC 170 kit has 3 very acceptable clone pilots, great clear parts...And no cockpit detail whatsoever, save for three basic seats. Very dopey. I guess for me,after a life time of modeling,and remembering all the years when no one was making these kits, I'm happy to have them, they're relatively inexpensive - Unlike Finemolds - and I don't mind adding and fiddling with 'basic' and bringing it up to a higher standard. For me, it's fun and challenging. Maybe I am crazy after all!
     
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    LOL! I was waiting for this comment since I first saw the pic! :D
     
  36. blakeh1

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    So if I understand the Revell site correctly, they are listing the Level 1 X-wings as 1/78 scale and the Level 2 x-wings as 1/50.

    Can anyone confirm if the level 1 is indeed close to 1/72? I could be wrong, but it looked much bigger than 1/78

    As far as those listed scales, I guess they are close enough to 1/72 and 1/48, but why the hell couldn't they just tweak them a bit to be 1/48 and 1/72. (although to be fair Fine Molds models are listed as 1/72 and 1/48 but very few if any are truly those listed scales. The 1/48 tie for example is closer to 1/65 and the 1/72 versions are too small as well.)

    It looks like the Level 1 tie is 1:51 and the Level 2 is 1:35

    If they are marketing these as toy friendly for kids, wouldn't you try to at least keep the level 1 kits in scale with each other even if you don't necessarily stick to an established scale.
     
  37. Galactican

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    The Level 1 TIE and the Level 2 X-Wing could be a nice couple since both are about 1/50 which is fairly close to 1:48. ;)
     
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    I read somewhere that the designer said it is 1/59 scale. I don't know for sure, but the pilot I converted was a supposed 1/48 Airfix dude, and he was WAY too small for 1/48. When I look at him compared to the pics of JJAbrams, and the pilot standing next to the full size X-Wing, he seems to me to match up nicely. I guess he's about 1/55 - 1/60 scale , so he works. If someone had the dimensions of the full size ship, we could probably figure it out for certain. It's absolutely NOT 1/78 scale, but I don't know about the TIE, as I passed on it for now. Other pilot figures that would work size-wise are the pilots from the old Monogram Mosquito bomber, very small for their stated scale, and the figures from the Aurora Flying Sub, or the re-relesed Monogram/Revell issues. The pilot from their old P-47 Thunderbolt would work too.
    I already have a pilot underway for the upcoming level 2 kit....Can't wait!
     
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    Definitely larger than 1/72, like mcusanelli noted, probably close to 1/55.

    I think the same probably goes for the tie.

    Here's the new x-wing between a 1/48 fine molds and 1/72 bandai. The tie photo is a fine molds 1/48 tie wing compared to the revell.

    Your x-wing was an inspiration btw, mcusanelli - nice work.

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  40. blakeh1

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    Hmmm, maybe the wesite has things reversed and the level 2 kits will be 1/78 while the level 1's are 1/50?

    Then again, they list there large easy kit tie as 1/65, but the figure inside is clearly larger than 1/48 and closer to 1/40 range

    I guess that's why they stick with box scale, they don't have to worry about figuring out what scale fictional objects are:lol:facepalm
     
  41. Galactican

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    Erh, well, naw. I guess they DO make the kits in the common scales 1:48, 1:72 and so on and the scale info on the box is just a typo. :D;)
     
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    jhazard,
    Thank you very much! I'm glad you liked it! I did a bit more weathering, and 'personalized' it, with the barber pole deco on the lazer cannons, and a stripe on top of the fuselage. I also sanded some of the blue stripes down to make it more worn. I'll post a couple of pics tomorrow when there's more light. I really had fun with this kit, i hope you do too:)
     
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    Look forward to seeing it! Weathering mine now, toying with just making new laser canons. Not bad for a "toy"

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  45. Galactican

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    :lol :lol :lol

    I knew he was German! :) :) :)
     
  46. Gnar Gnar Jinn

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    Mine just says participant...

    (please tell me someone got this)
     
  47. mcusanelli

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    Here are some more pics, all done! IMG_6093.JPG IMG_6094.JPG IMG_6095.JPG IMG_6096.JPG
     
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  48. Reelo

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    That *does* look fantastic. Well done!
     
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    Excellent!
     
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