Resistance Crait Macrobinoculars / Neuro-Saav ND.621 Rangefinder (TLJ VD)

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  1. Anakin Starkiller

    Anakin Starkiller Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Im working on some 3d printable model parts to let people modify the single lens camera into something more or less passable
     
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    God bless you man!!


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  3. mgoob

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    similar, yes.
    But the shape is wrong.

    Since the VF hood was probably scratch built, perhaps 3D modeled & printed,
    I'm going to suggest that the 6 holed thing was also.

    It seems we have enough reference to reproduce this simple part w/ a sheet of styrene.
     
  4. almar bouwman

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    After seeing pictures like this I'm pretty convinced it's a real part. It's just a matter of finding it. We just need to dig deeper. And yes, this may take some time.[​IMG]

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  5. Anakin Starkiller

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    Here are the parts that I've modeled in 3d in order to convert one of the single lens Bell and Howells into a TLJ macro binoculars
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    I did a test print at 3dbub.com and it cost me about $14 to run them off. Once I check these parts out on a test build, I'll share the files
     
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  6. Red Hawk

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    Hey man, did you ever get the chance to test this out?
     
  7. Anakin Starkiller

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    I had the parts printed. But the print on the viewer was pretty lowsy. I may do it again.

    I want to complete my build before releasing the files.
    Anyone want to reprint the viewer for me?
     
  8. The Ninja

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    Following I would be interested in a Viewer if this becomes a run...
     
  9. Red Hawk

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    Sounds good. Thanks!
     
  10. TrooperPX

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    What do you need printed? I always have one printer free for small bits, just LMK and I can spool it today...

    We’re both in NY so it’ll get to you pretty quick.
     
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  11. Anakin Starkiller

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    Send me your e-mail and I'll send you my prototype files
     
  12. baptizer

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    Anakin:
    If you need me to print a prototype let me know. I also have the camera too in case you were curious how the prototype print sits, etc.
     
  13. TrooperPX

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    PM sent. LMK if it didn’t come through (only have ‘net access through my phone currently).

     
  14. The Ninja

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    Hows the development going any update on the parts?
     
  15. nailuj

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    Funnily enough I was quite literally about to ask the same question.
     
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  16. xwingercrash

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    I scored this Sportster recently and was about to ask too!
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  17. cjdesign

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    Could this piece be the greeblie for the front bottom circle port?? This was the crank nut. Once flipped, it matches the thickness of the doughnut greeblie needed?!! the grooves on the top fit over the filter buttons finger pull (black knob) perfectly. locks in place like it was meant to be.

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  18. cjdesign

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    While searching 6 pin din plugs I ran across a specific variety of plug that was similar in shape to the greeblie needed. it's not the exact plug but may steer us into another direction.
    Search "Circular MIL Spec Connector" raised circular shape with square plate with 4 holes at each corner, but no inline 6 pin pattern and most have a tall rim/flange and outer recess for the male plug to lock into. Our greeblie is mostly flat and doesn't have a recessed rim so that's throwing me off.

    I'll keep looking... s-l1600.jpg
     
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  19. mgoob

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    @cjdesign

    I think you found it: you can see the flathead screw thru the hole as well.
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  20. cjdesign

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    I'm still not 100%. Maybe I'll take a photograph of the prop with donut added in the same perspective, overlay them in PSD to see if they are the same proportion. I also experimented with removing the black dial completely before adding the greeblie. Doing this, created more space for the "donut" to drop down into the gap and clear the edge of the camera, which you can clearly see is underneath the greeblie.

     
  21. cjdesign

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    Does the outer rim of the bino prop look thicker than the actual B&H camera.
    At first I thought it was focal blurring making the edge look thicker, but Poe's pinky finger is 1/4 inch away from the edge so his finger would be blurry too. Optical illusion?

     
  22. mgoob

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    Me thinks you are ovethinking this bit.

    As I mentioned I think it looks correct.
    The framegrab isn't going to be that decisive, and if you're indecisive, just hold it in place w/ some double-sided tape you could remove later.
    Just a thought.
     
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  23. kurtyboy

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    Another part found as far as I'm concerned. Good eye, CJD.
     
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  24. Trooper_trent

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    Here's a thought. Notice that the other knob (film speed) has been completely replaced by something smaller. Compare the outer diameter of the original knob to what's used on screen. No light meter window, also a donut, thicker border, smaller outer diameter (note the difference in space between the knob and the curved "fender" where the film speed needle is). There's a much bigger gap between them, meaning the replaced knob is quite a bit smaller.
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    I'm not saying your'e wrong at all. I think you are exactly right. But just playing around with it, check out that same winder knob in place of the larger one instead of the filter selector and check out the gap between it and the fender. I think for this one what we're looking for is something just slightly bigger than the winder knob here, with a slightly bigger Inner diameter.
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  25. almar bouwman

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    Please note that inside this thing you can find another greeblie (bottom one). 26b9a95218018595d6653278e5782ee1.jpg 215ea6a919f550b2e73dd4a24ccce86c.jpg

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  26. Trooper_trent

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    You're not crazy. Yes it actually is. This prop is either a resin cast of the camera or it has been painted. But what you're seeing, on the right edge specifically is the metal edge PLUS the black plastic trip, which was either painted silver to match, or the whole thing is a resin cast and both parts were painted silver.
    Not to steal xwingercrash 's photo but his shot shows what I mean
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  27. Trooper_trent

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    Here’s where I am so far.
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    Still have some things to tweak but getting closer


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  28. almar bouwman

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    Looks great.
    What did you use for the square greeblie with the six dents (or whatever they are)?
    It looks like a one piece metal object.

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  29. halliwax

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    Looks great trent!!


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  30. Trooper_trent

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    What do you guys think about this for the switch looking thing that covers the holes?
    It’s clearly different than the one in the VD
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    I made some tweaks to my dimensions. Much closer now I think
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  31. almar bouwman

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    Looks awesome Trent.
    Still curious what greeblies you used and where you found them.

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  32. halliwax

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    I think you nailed it! I hate how the visual dictionary changes so many props.. it’s really frustrating

    Why can’t they just photograph the real prop and use that? Eeerr


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  33. Trooper_trent

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    I modeled and 3D printed them in resin on my DLP machine in high resolution. then painted and weathered to match.
    I can throw a greeblie kit up on my etsy if anyone is interested in them.

    I was lining up the shot angles to compare parts and thought this was kind of funny lol
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  34. nailuj

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    I'd take a greeblie kit if you did one. I have one off Kurtyboy which is good but have three B & H sportsters so could do with more. I'd take 3 viewer hoods as well if you decided to do one...
     
  35. The Ninja

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    Trooper_trent +1 buddy for an accurate Viewer Hood :thumbsup
     
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  36. cjdesign

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    Yes, I agree. it is a cast. notice no reflection in two of the lens and they are rough around edges. not as clean as the real camera.

     
  37. Pifman

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    Unless I missed it, is anyone going to point out that Poe’s doesn’t seem to have the glass in the lenses? Who will be first to bust theirs out :p
     
  38. Trooper_trent

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    I didn't know @kurtyboy was already doing them. if that's the case I'll probably just make a set for myself. Don't want to step on anyone's toes.
    Does he have a run somewhere? or pics or anything?
    I would definitely buy one of those sportsers from you though if you'd consider it LOL I can't find them anywhere!

    I'm working on the grips now.
     
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  39. nailuj

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    They were in the junkyard a couple of months back. Aluminium set with the little button cast and painted. I don't think there were many sets up for grabs.
     
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    Added grips.
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    After staring at it so long I’m starting to go back to the idea that it's ribbed rubber rather than separate ribs. Specifically in this shot (I know it’s the visual dictionary version but it’s probably the same on the screen used)
    The top edge of the camera has a groove across it that is not visible between the ribs
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  41. xwingercrash

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    No pride of authorship, Trent :). Glad the pic helped make your point. And good catch...I hadn’t noticed that



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    I see the highlight of that ridge between the ribs. enlarged and despeckled in psd and indicated by arrows. Screen Shot 2018-10-09 at 4.41.13 PM.png
     
  43. xwingercrash

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    If you square up with Marcus and offer a kit I would take one too. Shipping for his kit to the U.S. would probably cost more than the kit itself.


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  44. Trooper_trent

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    also, the space between the ribs is glossy rather than textured like the rest of the camera


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  45. cjdesign

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    your photo has been contrasted and blurred so it's hard to see. In my original, even after despeckling to calm the halftone dot. i still see the highlight perfectly and also see the same top fade from dark to light in between that's present on top. agree to disagree i guess.

     
  46. Trooper_trent

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    Yeah the brightness has been increased to see the details better but it's also a bit higher resolution than the one you're referencing. But yeah there's no point if this is the only photo there is. I'm also trying to think about what's more likely when it comes to making the prop. Did they just have some ribbed rubber and glued a section on each side, or did they individually place separate rods and cut holes to stick the ends in? There just happens to be a tripod mount / handle screw hole exactly where the grips are, which to me indicates they were trying to cover it up by adding the grips, so it wouldn't make sense to add separate rods since it wouldn't cover up the hole.
     
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  47. Trooper_trent

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    Printing a rough draft of the viewer. There's not much to go on reference wise for the details so it's a lot of guesswork.
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    to your point... i think they molded it so anything is possible. i would agree drilling holes and inserting rods is a tedious task, but as I look at the photo we are referencing and I see rods and when I look at the screen grabs from the movie and see ribbed rubber. Maybe Both?

     
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    Viewer looks awesome!


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    OK so the viewer printed out really nicely and all in all is a good size and fit. I'm going to make a couple of tweaks and print another one before showing how it turned out but it looks good.
     
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