Resistance Crait Macrobinoculars / Neuro-Saav ND.621 Rangefinder (TLJ VD)

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  1. Red Hawk

    Red Hawk Active Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    So after spending many more hours than I care to admit to my wife, though happy to share with my fellow addicts here, I found and was able to procure the basis for the macros the Resistance used in the old rebel base on Crait, at least the ones shown in the Visual Dictionary for The Last Jedi. Pics here are of the Bell & Howell Zoomatic Director Series with Electric Eye, specifically the one with the tri lenses. There are quite a few tells on this specific camera that make me pretty sure it’s the right one though there is also the issue of those missing lines on the sides, could be same camera different model or could just be an added greeblie. Let me know what you guys think.

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  2. Dminor

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    I've always had a soft spot for old cameras like this one. As a matter of fact, before I really got into prop making I was trying to get my hands on one of these cameras. Kinda wish I had, now that I know it would be a great addition to my SW collection. hahaha

    Also, I think they just added greeblies.
     
  3. Anakin Starkiller

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    The only mod I can see is removing the crank and adding a viewer. I've got my own on the way, so we'll have to compare notes when I start my build. :)
     
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    wicked cool! :thumbsup
     
  5. Red Hawk

    Red Hawk Active Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    You got it @anakinstarkiller. Not sure about the two screws / nuts / whatever added to the front glass viewer and then adding those four lines on either side of the case, was thinking some kind of rubber stripping just painted and glued in place. The case for the camera itself comes with a pretty long leather strap that might be usable, will have to see.
     
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  6. PropWeasel

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    How much is the going rate for the camera?
     
  7. Red Hawk

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    I bought this one from a camera collector I know for $35 and a cup of coffee and I have another coming off eBay that I paid $20 + shipping. There are plenty of Zoomatics out there, just be sure to find one with the tri lens.
     
  8. Mike J.

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    I've seen em on eBay for about $30 and up, not including shipping.

    You may want to hit your local thrift stores, antique stores, etc. Even if you don't find one of the right cameras, you may find a decent donor for greeblies for cheap.
     
  9. PropWeasel

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    all the tri lens version are gone that I can see. I bought one last night for $40 and a few minutes later the guy refunded my money and cancelled the sale...... :(
     
  10. trooper

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    sounds like some one sniped you after the auction ended :facepalm
    that crap ticks me off!!
     
  11. PropWeasel

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    It was a buy it now auction so I was perplexed..
     
  12. Mike J.

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    Odds are someone else sent him a private message offering more.
     
  13. trooper

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    I have called up ebay in the past and they have looked into the messages the seller gets. if they say he took another offer, I would fry his feedback

     
  14. Howlrunner

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    I had a look but couldn't find any Zoomatics. I did come across a Bell & Howell Sportster IV vintage camera though, which to me looks almost exactly the same as the Zoomatic. Only differences I can see really are the text and one black trapezoid shaped greeblie below the Animation/Stop/Run/Slow Motion selector which would need removed and replaced with a different greeblie.




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    I have this one (with original case) on the way - got it for £15 including delivery.
     
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  15. Mike J.

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    That looks like a real good match – congratulations! And now we have another keyword to search for.
     
  16. Red Hawk

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    Nice! Great find Howlrunner! Now to find that viewer.
     
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  17. Red Hawk

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    Started disassembling the Zoomatic. Was hoping to find some of the top greeblies hiding under the black faux leather cover but no luck with the square piece or the small black knob near the bottom of the VD pic. Howlrunner have you started tearing your Sportser down yet? Be interested to see if the cameras have the same tops, if so then I’ll start crafting up some custom greeblies.

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  18. Howlrunner

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    Mine has not arrived yet. Will post up progress when I get it.
     
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    Parts of Star Wars on FaceBook - https://www.facebook.com/PartsofSW/...037424152213/1413362848786325/?type=3&theater - have identified the camera as the Bell & Howell
    Director Series Design 410 8mm movie camera - so that's another option.

    They've also identified the strap mounts Talon - Sling Swivel and Screw Set (1-inch) - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CJEQXYC?th=1&psc=1 and think that the strap is from a Yugoslav National Army (JNA) leather magazine pouch as used for the Shoretroopers in Rogue One.

    And they think that the screw mount on the Bell & Howell camera was covered with a small strip of rubber First Order Stormtrooper belt material (4 ridges wide).
     
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  20. lonepigeon

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    That's everything we've been able to ID so far. The strap is a "best guess" as everything lines up, but of course there are no distinctive markings left on the binocular strap.
    We've been looking at this prop since The Last Jedi Visual Dictionary leaked awhile back. We waited to make sure the prop was visible on screen (so many background props end up in those books). It was awesome to see Poe with it and we ordered our cameras as soon as the movie ended :)
    I was hoping to spot the unknown greeblies on other Last Jedi props, but no luck yet.
    Might not get much further until better reference is available. Fingers crossed this thing shows up in an exhibit!

    PS - The leather strap was removed for the movie so it's kind of an optional accessory. They did leave the mounting screws for the sling mounts.
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  21. The Ninja

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    Well-done... Do we have a source for the "small strip of rubber First Order Stormtrooper belt material (4 ridges wide)."
     
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  22. lonepigeon

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    I was working on it, but it seems the First Order trooper costumers don't have a source that they're sharing with each other.
    There are FO replica belt makers that sell belt kits and completed belts. We might have to see if they'll sell their scrap cutoffs. Not much is needed for the binoculars.
     
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  23. DeLano80

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    Is that tri lens some sort of add on option for the camera?
     
  24. Fozz

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    Maybe they used a basic rubber floor mat?
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  25. Red Hawk

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    Great work, Chris!! Now just to ID the viewer and the two small, white circle greeblies on the front and we’re in good shape. Might have to wait for the Blu-ray for those.
     
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  26. The Ninja

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    The viewer might be a resin cast project for trooper like he did with the Luke hero macro...
     
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    Could the Stormtrooper belts they used actually be a serpentine belt used on car engines? Many different styles and rib choices.

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  29. lonepigeon

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    The trooper belts are rubber floor matting. McMaster Carr used to have the right size, but they no longer carry it.
    I forgot I still had some scrap pieces in a parts box. The same stuff is used for C-3PO's midsection.
    I picked mine up years ago at Home Depot (or maybe Lowes?) IIRC last I looked they didn't carry it anymore either. It was on the big rolls by the outdoor carpet etc.
    A 1/2 inch strip works great. It's a little over 4 ridges. Matches the prop pic perfectly.
     
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  30. lonepigeon

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    really loved this prop when I saw it, and very happy to see the bandwagon is already off.

    still searching for one myself!
     
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  32. redbutton

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    I'm lookin too!
     
  33. Howlrunner

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    Received my Sportster yesterday and stripped it down this morning - had to completely dismantle the thing to try to get the black trapezoidal greeblie off as I thought it was screwed on from the inside. Turns out it was just glued on. :facepalm Still, I probably wouldn't have gotten it off without applying hard pressure from the inside through the pre-cut slot.

    But man is the glue that the faux leather is stuck down with disgusting!

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    Looks to me as if the shell of the Sportster and the Zoomatic are exactly the same, except for the slot in the Sportster next to the three holes (which is an easy fill and weather over if needed).
     
  34. Red Hawk

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    Looks great, Howlrunner! Nice job getting it all torn down. At least all that awful glue holding the faux leather gave you a great weathered look!

    Also agreed that both versions of the camera look just about exactly the same. I was hoping we’d see that small, black cylindrical looking greeblie on yours under the black trapezoid but oh well must have just been added after.
     
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  35. Weldon

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    This is my first post, here, having found RPF only recently while researching info on this very prop. My Ebay Bell and Howell arrived a few days ago and I got started stripping and gutting it today. Still have to clean up leftover glue from pulling up the leather material. No big hurry as there's not a lot more I'll want to do 'till more detailed pictures turn up. Inner mechanics came out fairly easily, although I did have to pry (carefully) a little bit with a screwdriver. I took the larger dial above the lens off (marked perpetua on mine, sportster on others) because, to my eye, the one in the LJVD picture looks like it's been replaced with something a little smaller diameter and taller with, maybe, a lighter button in the middle and a lever? Was hoping that there might be parts underneath the original button, but no. I also got the sling swivels (1 inch) shown in a previous post. They are close, and probably good enough, but I'm not convinced they are perfect. On holding them up to the camera body, they look the right size but are definitely big. I can understand why they would not have used them, with the strap, for the scene. Can't wait to see more detailed pictures of the actual prop, and what others here come up with.
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  36. Howlrunner

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    BTW, white spirits on a disposable cloth removes the leather glue gunk really easily. :thumbsup
     
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  37. Red Hawk

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    So I received the First Order Stormtrooper belt from Trooper Bay. The spacing and height and shape of the ridges I think are off. I guess it’s possible that this material was used with four individual strips being cut from it and possibly being rounded more. It’s also entirely possible that the actual FO Trooper belt material was used and this reproduction is not precisely the same as that one. What do you guys think?

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  38. lonepigeon

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    The ribbed material used by FO belt makers is incorrect. It's way too thick. The actual screen used belts use a thinner ridged material glued to a layer of foam rubber (the two layers tend to separate). While the rubber material they're using makes for studier belts, it doesn't work for our needs.

    The rubber sheet I used in my post above is the correct thickness and works well.
     
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    The one you have there is definitely closer than this one from Trooper Bay, certainly has a closer rounded top. Where is that strip from? I’m still not 100% convinced that it’s exact since it appears that the strips in the VD image are deeper and sit more flush to the sides of the camera. It’s probably too much work for a prop maker to do it this way, but could they have taken a strip like the one you have and cut it into strips to get the depth correct?
     
  40. Fozz

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    It looks that between the ribs the camerabody is visible. Maybe they drilled 4 holes on both sides and put 4 metal bended rods on. That's a quick job for a prop maker.
     
  41. The Ninja

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  42. kurtyboy

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    Well spotted. It's either four rods or four separate wires going into holes. You can definitely see the camera body between them, and they are not even perfectly parallel.
     
  43. Weldon

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    When my friends an I were making Star Trek and Star Wars props in high school woodshop back in the 70’s, we used to use solid core soldering wire in various gauges to make those kinds of details. It conforms easily to almost any shape and can be filed/sanded easily to make it look flatter.
     
  44. kurtyboy

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    Does anyone know a rough time stamp for when these appear on screen?
     
  45. The Ninja

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    Dont know the time stamp, but Poe uses them to view the Walkers just before Luke comes out of the base to confront Kylo Ren.
     
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    Roughly how far in is that? 30 mins? 1 hour? etc?
     
  47. baptizer

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    I'm guessing like 2hr05min to 2hr15min. The movie is 2hr30min long and this was really close to the end of the movie.
     
  48. kurtyboy

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    Thanks both of you.
     
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    If these were what you're referring to, I don't think it's them. Whatever these are, they're symmetrical; two lenses and two red lights.
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  50. The Ninja

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    Not that character, but around that period of the movie, your looking for when Poe is standing outside viewing/ranging the Walkers.
     

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