Rebels Freddie Prinze Jr. Star Wars rant

First, George hates the ST and I fail to see how George's word is the end all be all when Disney owns the property and trashed his treatments, so his argument holds little weight in that regard.

Second, again he dismisses all valid critical discussion and STILL makes backhanded remarks against fans who disagree by accusing them of being sexist. Nice job ********.

Plus he, AGAIN, tries to make the ridiculous argument that it's for kids. Well I know a bunch of middle aged adults who love "kids" movies.

Just more self righteous comments used to deflect critical thought.

I can't take the grandstanding as if he's somehow above everyone else.
 
I don't think I'll bother reading the video. The quotes in the article say enough.
"...he gets a fairy godfather instead of a fairy godmother, who teaches him how to be the best Jedi in the world in no time ****ing flat”.
He wasn't the best Jedi. In the world. Or anywhere. Even if I were to take that Freddie's expression to mean "He became a really good Jedi, considering how little training he had" rather than meaning 'literally the best Jedi out of any of the still living Jedi', I would have to say - no, he wasn't a really good Jedi. Certainly not by the end of ANH. Not by the end of ESB. By the end of RoTJ, was he a Jedi? I dunno, maybe by default.

"One of the biggest complaints over the past two years from a certain set of Star Wars fans is how powerful Rey is in comparison to Luke at the start of the current trilogy. But Freddie pokes holes in that theory with his precision lightsaber. And he points out the hypocrisy some fans have in relation to how many give Luke a pass on how fast he became a badass Jedi. After all, Obi-Wan never taught him to lift things with his mind. But he did it at the start of Empire anyway! And yet Rey gets eviscerated by some for holding her own against Kylo Ren. Double standard much? "

Luke pulling a lightsaber out of the snow to his hand doesn't compare logically with Rey being able to take on Kylo in a duel. Kylo can freeze a frickin blaster bolt in mid air! Luke's innate strength in the Force can't excuse Rey's impossible ability. At least, not until we find out if there is a reason for Rey having incredible Force ability. I dunno... did she have a transfusion of Midichlorian enriched blood from the secret Jedi bloodbank to which all Jedi masters have contributed over the eons? Or was she willed into existence by the pure energy of the Force itself? I mean, Anakin was an immaculate conception right? *smh*

*sigh*

Writing that took longer than if I watched the video but I suspect I'll remain more calm this way.
 
It's just doubling down on the accusations of sexism. Layered in with yelling at critical thought as if it has no merit because he gets paid by Lucasfilm and no one dare question their authority.

I wish he would shut the **** up already. I've had enough of the sanctimonious attitude of these guys. Yet they wonder why I don't want to continue buying their products?

Just keep running Star Wars into the ground and baffle at how it keeps losing money. The more you tighten your grip Lucasfilm, the more fans will slip through your fingers. It's attitudes like his that make me want to see it fail just to spite them. This is why fans like me say things like Star Wars is dead. It's one thing to make a bad movie, but to insult the fans for not liking it kills any good will left for the series. It ignores them as if they have no reason to be upset.

Eventually people leave.
 
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Psab keel said:
First, George hates the ST and I fail to see how George's word is the end all be all when Disney owns the property and trashed his treatments, so his argument holds little weight in that regard.

Second, again he dismisses all valid critical discussion and STILL makes backhanded remarks against fans who disagree by accusing them of being sexist. Nice job ********.

Plus he, AGAIN, tries to make the ridiculous argument that it's for kids. Well I know a bunch of middle aged adults who love "kids" movies.

Just more self righteous comments used to deflect critical thought.

I can't take the grandstanding as if he's somehow above everyone else.
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Uh no Geroge doesn't hate the ST. He wasn't thrilled with TFA. But by all accounts he really likes TLJ. Secondly, they are still drawing Geroge's ideas, maybe not the exact story, but still his ideas on the Force. Where do you think the whole World Between Worlds came from?

Not everyone that is sexist, but I've seen a fair number of comments on YouTube, Reddit, and other places, that would say otherwise. There's sexism on both sides. Does it make it right? No. But it's there.

I don't agree with his methods. But you know a lot of these guys get hundreds if not thousands of negative, vile, derogatory comments aimed towards them on a daily basis. But oh boy when someone on their side decides to fire back. 'Look how they treat the fans!!! Boohoo!!'. Maybe he who is without sin cast the first stone? I'm not saying what how he saying this is right. But maybe we need to call out those "fans" who wish other fans would just die.
 
ZeroSum said:
I don't think I'll bother reading the video. The quotes in the article say enough.
"...he gets a fairy godfather instead of a fairy godmother, who teaches him how to be the best Jedi in the world in no time ****ing flat”.
He wasn't the best Jedi. In the world. Or anywhere. Even if I were to take that Freddie's expression to mean "He became a really good Jedi, considering how little training he had" rather than meaning 'literally the best Jedi out of any of the still living Jedi', I would have to say - no, he wasn't a really good Jedi. Certainly not by the end of ANH. Not by the end of ESB. By the end of RoTJ, was he a Jedi? I dunno, maybe by default.

"One of the biggest complaints over the past two years from a certain set of Star Wars fans is how powerful Rey is in comparison to Luke at the start of the current trilogy. But Freddie pokes holes in that theory with his precision lightsaber. And he points out the hypocrisy some fans have in relation to how many give Luke a pass on how fast he became a badass Jedi. After all, Obi-Wan never taught him to lift things with his mind. But he did it at the start of Empire anyway! And yet Rey gets eviscerated by some for holding her own against Kylo Ren. Double standard much? "

Luke pulling a lightsaber out of the snow to his hand doesn't compare logically with Rey being able to take on Kylo in a duel. Kylo can freeze a frickin blaster bolt in mid air! Luke's innate strength in the Force can't excuse Rey's impossible ability. At least, not until we find out if there is a reason for Rey having incredible Force ability. I dunno... did she have a transfusion of Midichlorian enriched blood from the secret Jedi bloodbank to which all Jedi masters have contributed over the eons? Or was she willed into existence by the pure energy of the Force itself? I mean, Anakin was an immaculate conception right? *smh*

*sigh*

Writing that took longer than if I watched the video but I suspect I'll remain more calm this way.
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Luke goes from 0 to 100 in 4 years. Most of that in the year between ESB and ROTJ. He did what many do in 10 years. But with that said we've seen kids and toddlers with a better grasp of the Force than Luke or even Rey.

You know, people seem to forget that the young hero always has their first victory in the first film. The Force acting through Rey to defeat an emotionally unbalanced, wounded Ben Solo, was Rey's victory in the first film. Like Anakin destroying the Lucrehulk control ship, or Luke blowing up the Death Star. That was her victory in the first film.
 
I'm not wishing death on anyone.

That's ludicrous.

It's just a movie.

I just can't stand the attitude because they often paint with a broad stroke, lumping fans like me in with the lunatics who send death threats.
 
One of the biggest complaints over the past two years from a certain set of Star Wars fans is how powerful Rey is in comparison to Luke at the start of the current trilogy. But Freddie pokes holes in that theory with his precision lightsaber. And he points out the hypocrisy some fans have in relation to how many give Luke a pass on how fast he became a badass Jedi.
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Complete fallacy. Luke may not have had much instruction, but he did have it. We saw him train with Obi-Wan. We saw him train with Yoda. We saw him fail two of Yoda's lessons. And when he went to face Vader the first time he got his ass handed to him. Luke lost.

Rey had no instruction at all in the Force, she just magically knows how to use it. And she beat the snot out of Kylo twice.
I gave it a pass in TFA because I expected the next installment would give some insight to her abilities, but hack fraud Ruin Johnson perverted my expectations and gave us nothing. Rey is more of a mystery now then she was before.
 
Plus what took Luke years to barely accomplish with help, only took Rey a few days at most to just about master with no help at all.

This is one of the reasons why I can't relate to her. And she's a girl. ; ) apparently I hate girls because I'm sexist, according to Freddy Prinze Jr.

I must be an idiot too because he feels the need to explain it to me because he has insider knowledge on the Force that the public doesn't have.

Or is it that those ideas could have simply been presented better in the films, and I'm not sexist or an idiot?

Hmmmmmmmm.....

I better go back to my room (mother's basement)
 
robn1 said:
Complete fallacy. Luke may not have had much instruction, but he did have it. We saw him train with Obi-Wan. We saw him train with Yoda. We saw him fail two of Yoda's lessons. And when he went to face Vader the first time he got his ass handed to him. Luke lost.

Rey had no instruction at all in the Force, she just magically knows how to use it. And she beat the snot out of Kylo twice.
I gave it a pass in TFA because I expected the next installment would give some insight to her abilities, but hack fraud Ruin Johnson perverted my expectations and gave us nothing. Rey is more of a mystery now then she was before.
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Actually Luke didn't get much more instruction then Rey. Which in short is, open yourself up to the Force. Telekinesis, telepathy, and all that jazz. What we might call feats in the Force. Luke figured out for himself. He had no instruction. Heck Luke goes from being beaten in one film, to a year later, without any contact with any of masters, he suddenly becomes one of most skilled swordsmen in the galaxy. No instruction from any Jedi masters happening. Pretty dang good for kid who just learned about the Force a few years earlier. Same goes for other characters that we see. There are toddlers and kids who have had zip in the way of Force instruction. But they still are moving things around with the Force.

Actually Rian does explain Rey's power. For starters he has her say that she's always known about the Force. Contrast that to Luke who didn't find out about the Force until he was 19. And Rian also has Snoke say "Darkness rises and Light to meet it." What did Freddie say about the Force balancing itself?

The Force through Rey, defeated Ben, once. Not twice. She had her victory in the first film, just like Anakin and Luke before her. Its just TFA rhyming with TPM and ANH.
 
robn1 said:
Again: We saw Luke receive instruction from Obi-Wan and Yoda. Rey received none.
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Neither did these two. That didn't stop them from using the Force. Heck one hasn't even been taught to speak yet.
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This is what happens when you take a successful simple, concise and complete 3 part story and try to blow it up into a franchise. I really wish George had just moved on instead of bothering with the prequels. He could have retired a wealthy film maker without all the flak he's gotten since the SE came out. Imagine what it would be like if he just let others have fun in the EU with books, game, comics, cartoons, etc. He'd still be cashing fat checks and nobody would be blaming him for ruining their childhood :lol:
 
i kinda see where Freddie is coming from though... just on a different subject...

i get frustrated too at all the internet drama.. freddie took the bait though and feel for it.. this is the exact same thing that killed brie larson, if she just shut up and ignored the internet comments i think we would have a different situation

now he's just adding fuel to the fire.. i dont think lucasfilm will be happy seeing that video with all the F bombs.. especially while talking about star wars eek
 
Joek3rr said:
Actually Luke didn't get much more instruction then Rey. Which in short is, open yourself up to the Force. Telekinesis, telepathy, and all that jazz. What we might call feats in the Force. Luke figured out for himself. He had no instruction. Heck Luke goes from being beaten in one film, to a year later, without any contact with any of masters, he suddenly becomes one of most skilled swordsmen in the galaxy. No instruction from any Jedi masters happening. Pretty dang good for kid who just learned about the Force a few years earlier. Same goes for other characters that we see. There are toddlers and kids who have had zip in the way of Force instruction. But they still are moving things around with the Force.

Actually Rian does explain Rey's power. For starters he has her say that she's always known about the Force. Contrast that to Luke who didn't find out about the Force until he was 19. And Rian also has Snoke say "Darkness rises and Light to meet it." What did Freddie say about the Force balancing itself?

The Force through Rey, defeated Ben, once. Not twice. She had her victory in the first film, just like Anakin and Luke before her. Its just TFA rhyming with TPM and ANH.
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Rey demonstrate mastery BEFORE meeting luke. As in pulling the saber away from Kylo and kicking his ass BEFORE getting any instruction whatsoever.

Luke had a year to work on what Ben told him, and spend substantially more time with Yoda than Rey with luke. Rey was there over right and was given 3 parable based lessons by Luke (i know a fourth was cut). That's it.

Trying to compare the two as even remotely comparable is ludicrous. Maybe if you wanna take 6 vs 9, but we're not there yet. And hell, she's shown as much in a matter of a week's worth of knowledge as Luke have 4 years to work with it all in ROTJ, if not surpassing him.

Now, no one (at least not me) is saying Luke is the greatest ever. We only know him vs and old vader. But in no way should someone with a weeks worth of access be in the same league as someone with 4 years of it, period.
 
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