Joek3rr
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No, Rey demonstrated that the Force can still control people's actions.
Rebels Freddie Prinze Jr. Star Wars rant
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No, Rey demonstrated that the Force can still control people's actions.
Cephus
Master Member
What? Brie Larson says she isn't even aware that people hate her guts. She doesn't pay any attention at all. When you look like a fool, feign ignorance, I guess.
vader45
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Could not agree more. Prinze is just telling us adults who hated TLJ to screw ourselves by saying Star Wars is for kids. We don't count as part of the fandom? Star wars did what it set out to do in 1977, appeal to kids. It's not our fault said kids of then and the PT era grew up. That doesn't mean we have to immediately stop liking the frachise on our 18th birthday. If something impacted us in ways we will never forget it will be in our lives till death. People grow and do change but past influences do not. Our childhood still exists in our mind and will be there as part of who we are as adults. If it wasn't for Lucas and his crazy idea I wouldn't have made the friends I have and the experiences I took that I couldn't do as a kid. So ya screw you Prinze
There are a lot of cartoons I have not watched in years but are still find of them as they were part of my life.
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Axlotl
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I never saw the OT as kids movies. Kids movies in 1977 was silly stuff like The Shaggy Dog and Herbie the Love Bug.
Adlibs used to say "For ages 5 to 105" - that's what Star Wars was.
George can say he made them for 12-year-old boys, but this 5 to 11-year-old loved them well into his teens - and so did all his friends, boys and girls alike. Heck, we were still having Star Wars marathons in our 20s.
Look at the old pictures of people lined up around the block to see Star Wars. It's not just 12-year-old boys, it's mostly teenagers and families.
Star Wars was just good old-fashioned timeless storytelling, like The Wizard of Oz or The Sound of Music or Lord of the Rings. A fun adventure the whole family can enjoy.
This idea that Star Wars is for kids is an excuse that George made up to defend Jar Jar Binks in the prequels. That's where it started, and that's all it is - an excuse. George retconning history (again) to cover his ass, and fanboys taking his nonsense as gospel because he's their genius movie messiah.
Adlibs used to say "For ages 5 to 105" - that's what Star Wars was.
George can say he made them for 12-year-old boys, but this 5 to 11-year-old loved them well into his teens - and so did all his friends, boys and girls alike. Heck, we were still having Star Wars marathons in our 20s.
Look at the old pictures of people lined up around the block to see Star Wars. It's not just 12-year-old boys, it's mostly teenagers and families.
Star Wars was just good old-fashioned timeless storytelling, like The Wizard of Oz or The Sound of Music or Lord of the Rings. A fun adventure the whole family can enjoy.
This idea that Star Wars is for kids is an excuse that George made up to defend Jar Jar Binks in the prequels. That's where it started, and that's all it is - an excuse. George retconning history (again) to cover his ass, and fanboys taking his nonsense as gospel because he's their genius movie messiah.
niennumb1
Master Member
They can’t used that as a excuse “Star Wars is for kids” anymore...
The story board team comes up with all these stories to explain and connect everything..
I was 12 went I saw ep1 in theaters was the prequels for kids back then too!? Because I didn’t give a damn about taxes, and trade blockade..
I wanted to see lightsaber fights
The story board team comes up with all these stories to explain and connect everything..
I was 12 went I saw ep1 in theaters was the prequels for kids back then too!? Because I didn’t give a damn about taxes, and trade blockade..
I wanted to see lightsaber fights
Joek3rr
Master Member
Actually there's video somewheres from 77 with George saying when set about writing Star Wars film, he set about wanting to write a children's film.
I feel triggered by this article and must now retreat into my Safe Space for a few hours and breath into a paper bag.
Freddie’s Epic Rant has knocked me down and rocked me to my core with his use of words and imagery. He has caused me to re-evaluate not only the true meaning of Star Wars, but also the true meaning of life
Someone please get me a Jonas Brother—any of them will do—to weigh in and reaffirm my subjective view of Star Wars.
I get where he is coming from in referring to “Star Wars” as a fairly tale. That’s a valid point.
I giggle at the use of the term “Epic”though...
“Epic” in 1944:
“Epic” in 1969:
“Epic” in 2019:
Freddie’s Epic Rant has knocked me down and rocked me to my core with his use of words and imagery. He has caused me to re-evaluate not only the true meaning of Star Wars, but also the true meaning of life
Someone please get me a Jonas Brother—any of them will do—to weigh in and reaffirm my subjective view of Star Wars.
I get where he is coming from in referring to “Star Wars” as a fairly tale. That’s a valid point.
I giggle at the use of the term “Epic”though...
“Epic” in 1944:
“Epic” in 1969:
“Epic” in 2019:
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When he was trying to use Luke's journey to defend Rey, he's leaving out a big part of the story. Luke and Leia are offspring of THE CHOSEN ONE! They also probably are more powerful than most Force users and probably learn things as quickly as Anakin did. So it does make more sense for Luke to learn things quickly. However Rey didn't just learn quickly she became a fully trained Jedi in a couple days.
Also I think he made a comment about fans being made because a girl has the Falcon. No, Chewie owns the Falcon, Rey is just along for the ride. If they did actually say she owns the Falcon, that's speciesism, and it wouldn't make sense because obviously Chewie would inherit the Falcon. There are some stupid fans, but unless everyone missed it Mara Jade is one of, if not the, most loved of the EU characters. I mean that's because she was a well written character though.
Also I think he made a comment about fans being made because a girl has the Falcon. No, Chewie owns the Falcon, Rey is just along for the ride. If they did actually say she owns the Falcon, that's speciesism, and it wouldn't make sense because obviously Chewie would inherit the Falcon. There are some stupid fans, but unless everyone missed it Mara Jade is one of, if not the, most loved of the EU characters. I mean that's because she was a well written character though.
Darth Lars
Master Member
There was a interview in 1976, with George Lucas saying the film was for "adolescents". The audience was supposed to be able to identify with Luke and Leia, and in the script Luke is 18.
That the movie resonated with a younger audience was not intended, but lucky because it meant that he could sell merch. I'd think that is why he changed the direction of the franchise towards it being more for kids.
But Star Wars has always been appreciated much by adults, and I'd like to think that Lucasfilm during the prequel era did try to cater to fans of all ages, even if fans were not always receptive to what Lucasfilm did.
That the movie resonated with a younger audience was not intended, but lucky because it meant that he could sell merch. I'd think that is why he changed the direction of the franchise towards it being more for kids.
But Star Wars has always been appreciated much by adults, and I'd like to think that Lucasfilm during the prequel era did try to cater to fans of all ages, even if fans were not always receptive to what Lucasfilm did.
Cephus
Master Member
It doesn't matter what he intended, it matters what he did. Star Wars is for all ages whether he planned it that way or not.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Wait, what now? So the offspring of the Chosen One can excel quickly. But for some reason, it took Anakin 10 years, to become a Jedi.
And lifting some rocks is all it takes to become a fully trained Jedi? Well geeze, the Jedi might as well start sending toddlers out into the field. Cause even they can do that.
Sorry, in sure someone smart told him things, but he didn't understand them. Tip: if you think the criticism boils down to people just not liking a girl flying the falcon: you don't understand the discussion.
There's plenty of threads already. Do some reading. You will learn a lot.
There's plenty of threads already. Do some reading. You will learn a lot.
Joek3rr
Master Member
I don't know man. Even when it's pointed out that she really hasn't done anything that other characters haven't already. But for some reason those other characters get a pass, but she doesn't. I mean I have heard countless times how having her win her first battle is poor writing. But Anakin and Luke both had their big win in the first film.(heck Anakin had 2 big wins!) But for some reason when it comes to Rey isn't allowed to have her big win in her film. I starts to see a double standard. And complete misunderstanding of the Force.
Is it really a double standard though?
The difference is that Rey did it unassisted. She never needs help from anyone in TFA. Luke had lots of help in the first film. Somewhere in all of our discussions I even made a list of how often Luke's friends save his life, including the climax of the first film. Had Han not showed up that very second Luke would have been blasted out of the sky by Vader.
Throughout that first trilogy we see a progression of Luke's character over the span of a few years. Emotionally. Physically. We see his strength and proficiency with the Force grow. Part of the problem with the ST is its truncated. It takes place over the course of perhaps a week, not giving enough of a realistic time line for Rey to have learned all she needs to know. That has to do with the writing and one of many reasons I point out its flaws.
The difference is that Rey did it unassisted. She never needs help from anyone in TFA. Luke had lots of help in the first film. Somewhere in all of our discussions I even made a list of how often Luke's friends save his life, including the climax of the first film. Had Han not showed up that very second Luke would have been blasted out of the sky by Vader.
Throughout that first trilogy we see a progression of Luke's character over the span of a few years. Emotionally. Physically. We see his strength and proficiency with the Force grow. Part of the problem with the ST is its truncated. It takes place over the course of perhaps a week, not giving enough of a realistic time line for Rey to have learned all she needs to know. That has to do with the writing and one of many reasons I point out its flaws.
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In all honestly I think this “force awakening” in rey was screwed up..
And it all comes back to, the original plan of Rey being lukes daughter and having her mind erased/blocked by kylo when she was little..
She was trained young with all the other padawans.. she would have knowledge of the force and how to use it, and would explain how all of a sudden she’s using force powers like flipping a light switch..
Which this whole plan/plot changed when RJ took over..
You can not tell me that wasn’t the original plan...
And it all comes back to, the original plan of Rey being lukes daughter and having her mind erased/blocked by kylo when she was little..
She was trained young with all the other padawans.. she would have knowledge of the force and how to use it, and would explain how all of a sudden she’s using force powers like flipping a light switch..
Which this whole plan/plot changed when RJ took over..
You can not tell me that wasn’t the original plan...
I just find it irksome that every Jedi in Star Wars history has needed instruction of some kind, including space *****, Anakin, and yet Rey gets a pass from all that solely because the script dictates it. She never needs help with anything actually, not just with the Force. Considering all she accomplished in TFA without fail before she ever met Luke, it seems silly for her to suddenly seek instruction.
It would have been different if she was powerful but couldn't control it fully and needed help to learn how to focus her power, but she didn't seem to have any trouble whatsoever before.
Rey is so self reliant to the point where I often wonder why she even needs friends?
It would have been different if she was powerful but couldn't control it fully and needed help to learn how to focus her power, but she didn't seem to have any trouble whatsoever before.
Rey is so self reliant to the point where I often wonder why she even needs friends?
People have explained it to you over a hundred times. You can disagree, that's no problem. Everyone has their own opinion, but if you honestly don't see it after all this, then you're just dense.
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