RAIDERS: Ark of the Covenant BUILDERS GROUP

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by agent5, Feb 27, 2006.

  1. agent5

    agent5 Sr Member

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    I've been thinking of opening an Ark of the Covenant builders group for some time now. I've had a couple other members ask me the same since I'm such a big fan of Raiders of the Lost Ark. My initial thought on this is that there have been a handful of Ark's made and none of them have been close enough to what we see on screen that I've passed interest on them. Nothing at all against those who made them as they were the best anyone could do with the recources available at that time, but they were just not 100%.

    Last year the original stunt Ark was here in Chicago and I was able to document the Ark from every available angle on film and on video. Measurements were also taken (against the glass) and were triple checked by myself and a couple other members as best as possible. Some members contacted me to compare notes and ask questions and the possibility of an Ark builders group came into play.

    Since June of 1981 I've always dreamed of having this prop. Since joining the RPF many moons ago I am still very much in awe of the talent that makes this board come alive. I know that there are many here who can make this fantasy a reality but of course, it'll take some time, effort, money, skill, honesty and dedication. So, I'm looking to get a core group of people together who have a similar interest in this prop and to finally see this done the right way. People who have a natural love of this film and of this prop.

    I know this will be a long road as most everyone has jobs and families outside of just wanting to chill, but I know that with patience and dedication we can see this through to the end. I'm sure there is more than enought source material out there and I know we have the talent. All we need is the commitment. So, I'm looking for anyone who has interest and thinks they have anything to offer. We can use a variety of people but will ultimately need those who can sculpt, work in wood, fabrics, embroidery and people who know about gold plating/leafing. Of course, anyone who already has the cherubs will be of great help too. Also very important is if anyone has any other source materital to share or can get ahold of some in any way. :thumbsup Any and all people who wish to contribute in some way will be accepted and greatly appreciated.

    What I WOULD NOT WANT out of this group is the thought of profitablility from the project. I simply want to put a core group of people together so we can all get the prop we've always wanted and NOT just hit ebay soon after getting it done for some quick cash. We'd be doing this for the core group and the core group alone.
    I'd hate to see individuals join JUST to get information for their own projects so they can take them to ebay and make some quick cash, although I suppose that's just a part of what goes on sometimes and can't be stopped. Still, it'd really * me off it that were the case. This would be for serious individuals, not for those who just wanna join to see all the pics or chat about the Ark. This would be a group for work, but fun work. :love I know for the most part this board is full of honest, hardworking people who care about what they do and of course, their props so I'm really hoping this can become a reality.

    So, who has any interest and what can you contribute to this group if it flies?
     
  2. xeno

    xeno Well-Known Member

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    I think it's a great idea, but like you said
    you can be sure your info and replicas made will
    show up on ebay,

    the trick is how to get people
    join an not sell the info or an Ark:)

    the problem starts when moulds are made for
    certain parts and the selling starts.

    the Ark is still on my to do list, I'll be honest and
    say that I don't have the space to put it, but want
    to build one for the fun of it,
    so I'll prob sell mine after it is finished.

    I am a modelmaker and I would like to help
    if I can, pm me for the help I can offer ;)

    you can look at the R2Builders group, they have all the info
    freely available for everyone who joins, but not a lot ends
    up on ebay (surprisingly :D )

    Xeno
     
  3. trooperprop

    trooperprop Well-Known Member

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    Hello,

    This is a great idea... I also have been thinking about the Ark
    as a prop replica in my room :thumbsup
    I think making this is really
    doable.
    I sculpt myself and would love
    making a sidepanel. I think I can do that.

    Are there any original cast Cherubs outthere?

    Keep this threat going.

    Greetings from the Netherlands,


    BasD
     
  4. Durasteel Corporation

    Durasteel Corporation Well-Known Member

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    The unopened version right...... bosses do terrrrrible things if we open it....terrrrrrrible things.


    yeah Id love to make this....I have a metal, wood, fiberglass, sculpting and love shop. :D
     
  5. agent5

    agent5 Sr Member

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    Yes, there are plenty of cherubs out there. The most popular cast item from the Ark and easiest to display.
     
  6. howlingwind13

    howlingwind13 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    OOOOHHH. I want in. I would definantly be interested.
    Mike
     
  7. Eaglewood

    Eaglewood Sr Member

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    Stelter

    Check this guy out--Im not sure if he is a member but I think he has the talen and the connections for what is needed.
    Count me in for whatever.

    You can see what I can offer at AMT

    Get it going.....
     
  8. vistaVision

    vistaVision Well-Known Member

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    This is a great idea. I've been looking at everything/anything posted regarding the Ark, and there has not been much. A builders group can be a perfect place for all of us to share what info/skills we have.

    Xeno brings up the R2 Builders Group as a model. I've found this group to be extremely helpful in building an astromech replica, a project that would have been a real challenge without the group.

    I have a great deal of experience in modelmaking, woodworking, sculpting, etc. and will be happy to get very involved.

    Oh, hello Bas. Nice to see you here. I guess I owe you an email and some photos. Been having some trouble with my digital camera, but those problems have been worked out...

    Anyway, count me in. I would like to be very active with this project.

    Sincerely,
    Marcus David Kraus
     
  9. LZeitgeist

    LZeitgeist Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I'm very interested.
     
  10. Darth Cross

    Darth Cross Well-Known Member

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    I'd like to be involved also. While not as experienced or talented as some of the people here, I've managed to mold, cast, and assemble a few things from scratch. (To include props and a droid or two) :D

    Richard
     
  11. moffeaton

    moffeaton Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I'm in, too. It's actually the one prop my wife has asked for.

    A friend of mine found some fabric that pretty much matches the stuff on the carrying poles - will start making emails. I have 4 Cherubs - two from 1st gen molds (sharp, but the bases aren't really the best) and two where I am taking the best one and reworking the face/* to make it prettier and even. I think these came from AIM originally? I got them from a member at an EC prop party.

    We probably have access to a laser cutter - don't want to volunteer his services, but that might come in handy for the fluer-de-lis "gallery railing"...
     
  12. houdiniguy

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    I'm in, too
     
  13. agent5

    agent5 Sr Member

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    Thanks for the replies everybody. I've done a little research into some of you and I'm impressed with the work I see as well as the resumes. While some of us are way more talented than others in certain areas, we'll still need commited people to source materials, etc. and also put up some funds if necessary. I know it's better to have more than a few minds at work and the people here have proved themselves to be a very talented group of individuals. I'll give what I have and will certainly listen to any feedback and to whatever anyone has to offer. I always welcome any and all discussion. After all, in the end, we'll all get what we want if we all work together. I believe that we can nail this thing, inside and out. The whole thing overall does not appear too difficult, just a little time consuming.
     
  14. TFrosst

    TFrosst Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I know the groups should be open to anyone but I honestly think to avoid some problems, anyone that wants to sign up should pass some criteria. They whould be a member of both the RPF and COW as an example, and have a certain number os posts. That way, we know who the person is etc.

    Regarding the ark, I was at the museum exhibit last year as well. With a little bit of ingenuity, I was actually able to take the measurements off the actual ark :love . No glass between it and the ruler. I've got the measurements and photos at home so I can't get to them right now since I'm at school. I've already turned the top piece of the leg and it is 100% on. I think it'd be great if we had some people that could sculpt. I'm able to make technical items (such as turning pieces, making the cabinet) but when it comes to artistic items, i'm stuck.
     
  15. CaptCBoard

    CaptCBoard Well-Known Member

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    Definitely interested.

    Scott
     
  16. replicaprops

    replicaprops Official Licensee RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    You know im in.
    I built this Ark, but have been wanting to redo it and fix some accuracy issues
    [​IMG]
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  17. dkwd

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    Wow. That looks sharp.

    I would be interested in a builder group. Unfortunately, I wont have the space to properly display on for at least 5 years.

    Plus, I would want to try and build as much as possible myself - to keep the costs down.
    But, I'd certainly be up for measurement to store away until then.

    David
     
  18. kapow

    kapow Well-Known Member

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    Very interested. :D
     
  19. yodakiller1138

    yodakiller1138 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    INTERESTED.... :D
     
  20. Aegis159

    Aegis159 Sr Member

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    COW??

    I'm definately interested as well.
     
  21. kapow

    kapow Well-Known Member

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    Moo. And still interested. :p
     
  22. JediCarl

    JediCarl Well-Known Member

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    I'm interested as well.

    In fact, I've always thought of creating a 1:1 Ark to keep my INDY collectibles in. :love
     
  23. houdiniguy

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    MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.MUST HAVE ARK.

    :)
    Tom
     
  24. Jedirick

    Jedirick Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I'm not a member of COW...guess I'm out. :D

    Frankly You may wish to voice your particular concerns. Unfortunately being a member here does littte to insure security or guarantee performance.

    Chances are as with many projects, we must turn to sources outside our own forum.
     
  25. agent5

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    I've sent mails to everyone interested asking for your e-mail addys so I can send you the group invite. So, if any of you for some reason did not get a mail, shoot me a pm here with your addy and we'll get this going.

    Thanks, Jason

    By the way, does anyone know where Got Maul is at? I thought he'd be one of the first in line.


    Rick,
    I hear you on that. You're always takign a chance with these sorts of things and I'm just hoping for the best. I was also thinking of what may have to be farmed out, but perhaps we can nail a sufficient ammount of talent and info in one fairly small group. Some of the stuff I've already heard sounds very promising. I think once all the available info is laid out for eveyone that we'll have enough to get the job done right. Of course, if you have interest, you are more than welcome. :thumbsup
     
  26. dkwd

    dkwd Well-Known Member

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  27. Jedirick

    Jedirick Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I'm definitely interested. have acquired a number of pieces from sithlord who has been more than kind. i have one plated cherub...love to get another.
     
  28. Montagar

    Montagar Legendary Member Community Staff

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    Very, very interested. :thumbsup
     
  29. Prop Runner

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    If I can help with CAD, would be glad to assist. :)

    My wood worker, Leo, could also whip up the wooden cabinet and tapered hardwood poles, just not the cherub sculptures or engraving.

    I can be reached at proprunner@aol.com

    - Gabe
     
  30. TFrosst

    TFrosst Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Now we're talking. The parts arent' the problem for now, the drawings are. It'd be great if you could help us out Gabe.
    Agent5, myself, and I believe some others have measurements. We first have to compare everything and have measurements we all agree on.
     
  31. gobler

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    Shot you a PM A5. I'm up for this.

    Cheers,
    Jeff
     
  32. Prop Runner

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    Way cool. If I let you guys stress over the accuracy and dimensions, all I need are dimensioned hand-sketches or red-lined photos to use as references for the 3D model. I can even shade it in gold. :p 3D CAD makes visualization MUCH easier than 2D sketches, and the best part is you can tweak the numbers endlessly until a concensus is reached. Of course the 3D CAD model will serve as the basis for accurate blueprints, but that's only after everybody's agreed on the numbers. :)

    - Gabe
     
  33. kropserkel

    kropserkel Well-Known Member

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    Finally. Great builder's group idea.
    We're interested also. Sculpture, vac metallizing, etc. here.
     
  34. lonerthx

    lonerthx Well-Known Member

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    Count me in.

    When I mentioned that I planned to have an Ark at some point, my wife raised an eyebrow, it was my suggestion to use it to store all our extra blankets, sheets and pillows that swung her heh.
     
  35. howlingwind13

    howlingwind13 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    PM sent.
    also a club Obiwan member
    mike
     
  36. Cenobyte

    Cenobyte Sr Member

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    I would really be interested in this project..
     
  37. venkman71

    venkman71 Well-Known Member

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    I am SO in,...I'm already there.

    Look. Open the Ark. There I am. Boo. :p
     
  38. Got Maul

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    need you say more. Count me in Jason. Lots of Acme meetings from this point on. Kropserkel - this will be a good one...with you on board, no doubts in my mind this will be anything short of magical.

    sorry for the delayed response, over here in Florida for business (though having a beer for y'all)
     
  39. agent5

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    I hear you on that, Jose. Yes, there is some incredible talent interested in this project and like I said, so much of the info I've heard from others even at this early stage has gotten me very excited about this. :love

    So far I've gotten e-mails or pms from 6 interested parties. The rest of you, shoot me a mail or pm with your addy.
     
  40. Sith Prop Lord

    Sith Prop Lord New Member

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    VERY interested. :thumbsup


    PM sent.
     
  41. darcjedi

    darcjedi Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    i'm not a club obi wan member, but im definately interested.
     
  42. LZeitgeist

    LZeitgeist Well-Known Member

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    PM sent...
     
  43. yodakiller1138

    yodakiller1138 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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  44. moffeaton

    moffeaton Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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  45. agent5

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    Thanks alot. I had that pic but in very poor quality so I'm very happy to have it looking good. What issue is that in?
     
  46. TFrosst

    TFrosst Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Got an even better one for you.

    [​IMG]
     
  47. belloq

    belloq Well-Known Member

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    Why is that article being hosted on a Master Replicas site? Is that something they posted in the blog or what? Thanks.
     
  48. TFrosst

    TFrosst Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I's an old article about the restoration of Lucas' props for an exhibit in Asia back in 1993(I think).
     
  49. jvasilatos

    jvasilatos Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Count me in too.

    That Ark pictured on the first page of the thread by darthscifi was the one I commisioned, but after the amount of development time it took and the fact it would not have a "plated" look as I originally expected, I passed on it (I spent a lot of time trying to find out if the wooden box had any chance of being vacu-plated or metalized and in the end it wasn't possible... I just wish I had fully known that before the commission because it was disappointing to pass on it in the end and request a refund.)

    The key question I have, because I don't think building the parts to the accurate measurements would be difficult, is IF they can be vacu-plated or metalized? That's the deal breaker for me, and if parts could be made with the reflective quality of a C-3PO or Cylon like what Kropsekal has put out, I'm all over this.

    I have replicas of all of Indy's other props and this would be the crown jewel of my collection if I could get one that had the correct reflective surface.

    JV
     
  50. Darth Cross

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    The best method (IMO) would be to apply gold leaf to the wooden parts of the ark. That's what was done on most items through out history to make them appear to be cast from gold. And in my travels in Europe I've seen many fine objects that were gold leafed centuries ago that still look like they're made from solid gold. And, of course, that would certainly add to the "historical" accuracy. :D

    Richard
     

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