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Prometheus (Post-release)
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ProfKSergeev
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Experienced it again tonight, but on Blu Ray. Prometheus is one of Scott's best, certainly the equal of his first three films.
I am about 1/2 way through the bonus disc and all I can say is "WOW!!!" I am even more in love with this movie than before. I seriously don't know what is wrong with all the naysayers. This is one of the most interesting movies we have been offered in many many years.
I can explain what's wrong with me in regards to naysaying Prometheus if you'd like.
Kit Rae
Sr Member
Watched all of the deleted scenes. While none were absolutely necessary, every one of those scenes should have been in the film. Especially the Vickers and Janek scenes, and Shaw and Holloway scenes in their quarters. They add much more depth to the characters. I liked the more pissed off Shaw at the end too. Ridley cut too much.
He said the theatrical cut was his cut, and all of this stuff is what would have been added to a longer version. Every scene Ridley has talked about being cut is there and more. Pretty much nixes any hope for a real extended cut.
I'm sure someone is working on the bootleg extended cut already.
He said the theatrical cut was his cut, and all of this stuff is what would have been added to a longer version. Every scene Ridley has talked about being cut is there and more. Pretty much nixes any hope for a real extended cut.
I'm sure someone is working on the bootleg extended cut already.
Jedi2016
Sr Member
I agree about the scene with Vickers and Janek, that was a good scene. And it helped lay out more specifics of what happened at the Engineer facility, in a better way than the theatrical scene where Janek just says "It turned on 'em, it got out."
Don't agree about the Shaw/Holloway scene, though.. I liked Holloway the good guy, not Holloway the ******.
The other thing I noticed in the deleted scenes commentary is that several of those scenes are themselves cut down from what was originally shot. If they were including deleted scenes, why not include all of them?
I haven't watched the documentary or the film commentaries yet. I'm working an odd shift at work this week which severely limits how much time I have in the evenings to do things like watch TV.
Don't agree about the Shaw/Holloway scene, though.. I liked Holloway the good guy, not Holloway the ******.
The other thing I noticed in the deleted scenes commentary is that several of those scenes are themselves cut down from what was originally shot. If they were including deleted scenes, why not include all of them?
I haven't watched the documentary or the film commentaries yet. I'm working an odd shift at work this week which severely limits how much time I have in the evenings to do things like watch TV.
Kit Rae
Sr Member
But Holloway was a complete, condescending, *****. Not only to David and others, but even to Shaw as we see in that scene. Those scenes also really make it clear why he was so devastated and getting wasted. None of that was essential, except to clarify motivations even more for the mindless masses, but they were all good character moments.
The extended Vickers and Weyland scene was much better than the theatrical version as well. The extended Engineer scene was fine in it's longer cut, but I think I like the theatrical version better. Even though it seems 90% of the people who saw it did not get what happened in that scene, the long cut just gives the answers too easily. You should have to pay attention to that one.
Overall, Ridley had all the material needed to cut a film together without the audience having to think much or pay attention to subtlety to understand, but he intentionally trimmed certain things out to make it something you really have to pay close attention to. A bit too much trimming IMO.
The extended Vickers and Weyland scene was much better than the theatrical version as well. The extended Engineer scene was fine in it's longer cut, but I think I like the theatrical version better. Even though it seems 90% of the people who saw it did not get what happened in that scene, the long cut just gives the answers too easily. You should have to pay attention to that one.
Overall, Ridley had all the material needed to cut a film together without the audience having to think much or pay attention to subtlety to understand, but he intentionally trimmed certain things out to make it something you really have to pay close attention to. A bit too much trimming IMO.
If all the deleted scenes were in the film, I think there would have been a lot less discussion about motivations and while that discussion and all the supposition that has come from it has been interesting, I don't really care for artists who intentionally make something vague. I have talked about this before on here, but I don't want to use my own imagination with these things because that means I am just rattling the same old thoughts around the same old pathways in my own mind. I love art because it shows me the thinking of someone else's mind, often in ways that I would have never thought of on my own. I want to know what THEY think about a subject, so I can then bounce it off my own thoughts and beliefs. I don't want to be presented with a piece of art and be told to come up with my own thoughts about it. How boring and mundane is that? I have been thinking my own thoughts for 37 years. They don't change all that much... I want to know the artists intent which injects NEW thoughts!
While I thought it was a rather lame marketing ploy, the who thing about "Questions will be answered" in regard to the DVD set has been very true for me. Watching the cut scenes and listening to the make of documentaries has added an incredible amount of depth to this movie for me, has answered some of the parts that seem rather stupid (like Millburn) and has left me feeling more than ever that this is one of the best films that we have seen in years and years... perhaps in over 10 years!
I feel that more than anything, the cut scenes create motivations for a lot of the things we see in the final film and I think it is a real shame that they were cut out. The only two that I didn't really care for was the extended scene in the hypersleep chamber of the engineer's ship (I think just a few parts of that could be cut out although I LOVED Weyland telling the Engineer about building David in his own image... that made the Engineer's reaction so much better) and the fight scene between Noomi and the Engineer at the end, although it does explain why the engineer fell to the facehugger so quickly.
Still loving this movie, despite all those who hated it and count it among some of my very favorite. Not quite sure if it is a top 5, but it is very close. More than anything, I commend Ridley on going where he did, tackling the subject matters he did and interweaving that story into the ALIEN storyline. I think it is brilliant.
While I thought it was a rather lame marketing ploy, the who thing about "Questions will be answered" in regard to the DVD set has been very true for me. Watching the cut scenes and listening to the make of documentaries has added an incredible amount of depth to this movie for me, has answered some of the parts that seem rather stupid (like Millburn) and has left me feeling more than ever that this is one of the best films that we have seen in years and years... perhaps in over 10 years!
I feel that more than anything, the cut scenes create motivations for a lot of the things we see in the final film and I think it is a real shame that they were cut out. The only two that I didn't really care for was the extended scene in the hypersleep chamber of the engineer's ship (I think just a few parts of that could be cut out although I LOVED Weyland telling the Engineer about building David in his own image... that made the Engineer's reaction so much better) and the fight scene between Noomi and the Engineer at the end, although it does explain why the engineer fell to the facehugger so quickly.
Still loving this movie, despite all those who hated it and count it among some of my very favorite. Not quite sure if it is a top 5, but it is very close. More than anything, I commend Ridley on going where he did, tackling the subject matters he did and interweaving that story into the ALIEN storyline. I think it is brilliant.
Kit Rae
Sr Member
Not just the human race, but the beginnings of all life at the cellular stage. Or at least life as modified by the Engineers. They may have already been life on the Earth before this. Their black stuff just rewrote it at a genetic level. They show a DNA strand being taken apart and modified as the black stuff changed it, then we see cell division as the film title comes up. Some of the concept art for this sequence shows amphibious creatures coming from the ocean in the next stage.
That is one of my favorites. Out of all of the film characters, I thought Weyland was underdeveloped and needed more screen time. That line sums up his whole character very well.
Do they make a dvd that has the same content as the blue ray version ?
Borjis
Sr Member
I was thinking the same thing. The guy mentions more that was deleted and I was like "I want to see that!"
Well I’ve watched Prometheus ,this time on Blue ray. This is only the second time I’ve done so since it was initially released so I came to it with “fresh eyes” so to speak. I wondered how much my impressions of the film might have been changed.
Wow. It is an utterly beautiful piece to watch, breath takingly so at times, and I have to admit there has been nothing that comes close in recent years for projecting that other worldly feel into a film that SRS manages so brilliantly with his sci fi productions. It feels totally authentic. The 2D made it seeml far more like the film I was expecting to see and the blue ray enhanced it terrifically.
As we all know by now the sequel for Prometheus has been green lit by Fox. Previously a Ridley Scott film has always been about a single and completed narrative with in a movie (at least until Prometheus), and as such that was what I expected at the first viewing. So it was a shock to find it was so incomplete as a story. I really wondered where essential bits of character and plot development had gone from the script as it seemed so disjointed and abrupt at times.Why?
Then I watched the deleted and alternate scenes.
And low and behold almost everything I was looking for was there. And what a huge difference it would have made if they had been included in the film. Apart from the alternate opening, I felt every almost all of them should have been included or have replaced the existing scenes.
I watched this at a friends house and we sat open mouthed as scene after scene rolled by that would have explained nearly everything I had had a real problem with, amongst them the apparently inexplicable actions of the biologist when faced by an alien snake and the abruptly short fight with the engineer. But key to the films understanding was the removed but brilliant summary that expertly explained exactly why the engineer would suddenly pull the head off a robot and beat an old man to death with it for no apparent explanation at all.Because there it was in the conversation that wasn't included in the film. Unbelievable!
I was gob smacked by what I saw that had been intentionally cut out. It was so much better.I actually cheered when Shaw told David to “**** off at the end and it was explained why she suddenly asked for her cross back. The film I was expecting it to be was all there in the off cuts.
The REAL question is why did SRS choose to do this?
I guess the answer is that the potential routes left open to the story are now arguably larger and greater than if the cut or alternate scenes had been included in the first film.
Because of the money Prometheus has made SRS can command a much better budget and expand his vision of the story with the sequels. And having listened to some of the discussions on the extras disk he could really do wonders with it if he can decide to stick with one idea.
David is a gift of a character given the ambiguity of his actions, his links to both the Company and Weyland personal desires and his burgeoning sense of self realization. Shaw’s tested faith ,faced now by facts that are incompatible with her beliefs ,opens up a completely new way to develop her motives and actions.
I should point out that the next script will obviously require more characters being brought in as I can hardly see two people carrying the next film (the body count otherwise would have to be very low) and that will be tricky to manage but achievable. I can see a spectacular way to reverse every assumption that has been made about the Engineers ( including their origins) that would “reengineer” everything about Prometheus back to that first opening scene that made me gasp when I saw it (and there is a significant clue in the film to that I totally missed the first time).
So watching this for the second time was a far far better experience. As part of an on going narrative and series now it is a much easier to forgive and accept the open ended nature of the plot and the seemingly abrupt changes in editing and direction, though some of the “ flaws” still grate particularly now that I've seen those excised scenes.It would have been a far easier film to love, understand and respect.
Wow. It is an utterly beautiful piece to watch, breath takingly so at times, and I have to admit there has been nothing that comes close in recent years for projecting that other worldly feel into a film that SRS manages so brilliantly with his sci fi productions. It feels totally authentic. The 2D made it seeml far more like the film I was expecting to see and the blue ray enhanced it terrifically.
As we all know by now the sequel for Prometheus has been green lit by Fox. Previously a Ridley Scott film has always been about a single and completed narrative with in a movie (at least until Prometheus), and as such that was what I expected at the first viewing. So it was a shock to find it was so incomplete as a story. I really wondered where essential bits of character and plot development had gone from the script as it seemed so disjointed and abrupt at times.Why?
Then I watched the deleted and alternate scenes.
And low and behold almost everything I was looking for was there. And what a huge difference it would have made if they had been included in the film. Apart from the alternate opening, I felt every almost all of them should have been included or have replaced the existing scenes.
I watched this at a friends house and we sat open mouthed as scene after scene rolled by that would have explained nearly everything I had had a real problem with, amongst them the apparently inexplicable actions of the biologist when faced by an alien snake and the abruptly short fight with the engineer. But key to the films understanding was the removed but brilliant summary that expertly explained exactly why the engineer would suddenly pull the head off a robot and beat an old man to death with it for no apparent explanation at all.Because there it was in the conversation that wasn't included in the film. Unbelievable!
I was gob smacked by what I saw that had been intentionally cut out. It was so much better.I actually cheered when Shaw told David to “**** off at the end and it was explained why she suddenly asked for her cross back. The film I was expecting it to be was all there in the off cuts.
The REAL question is why did SRS choose to do this?
I guess the answer is that the potential routes left open to the story are now arguably larger and greater than if the cut or alternate scenes had been included in the first film.
Because of the money Prometheus has made SRS can command a much better budget and expand his vision of the story with the sequels. And having listened to some of the discussions on the extras disk he could really do wonders with it if he can decide to stick with one idea.
David is a gift of a character given the ambiguity of his actions, his links to both the Company and Weyland personal desires and his burgeoning sense of self realization. Shaw’s tested faith ,faced now by facts that are incompatible with her beliefs ,opens up a completely new way to develop her motives and actions.
I should point out that the next script will obviously require more characters being brought in as I can hardly see two people carrying the next film (the body count otherwise would have to be very low) and that will be tricky to manage but achievable. I can see a spectacular way to reverse every assumption that has been made about the Engineers ( including their origins) that would “reengineer” everything about Prometheus back to that first opening scene that made me gasp when I saw it (and there is a significant clue in the film to that I totally missed the first time).
So watching this for the second time was a far far better experience. As part of an on going narrative and series now it is a much easier to forgive and accept the open ended nature of the plot and the seemingly abrupt changes in editing and direction, though some of the “ flaws” still grate particularly now that I've seen those excised scenes.It would have been a far easier film to love, understand and respect.
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Welcome to the fold! While I appreciated the film while it was still in theaters, I completely agree with your take on the bluray release!
Jodo
Master Member
Yeah...I definitely think they should have left the Millburn scene in, as well as the Vickers/Janek scene. As Art said, the "God" dialogue for Weyland was also very well done, and although I don't think it should have all beed in there, the "in my image" part was excellent.
It's too bad they didn't leave at least those 3 scenes within the movie, I really wish they would have. At least for clarity's sake. :lol
It's too bad they didn't leave at least those 3 scenes within the movie, I really wish they would have. At least for clarity's sake. :lol
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