Prometheus (Post-release)

A story can have the best intentions, the best symbolism, the most interesting concepts, but if it is poorly told... what's the point?

We've seen many stories/movies with grand interesting concepts that were downed by poor story and characters and poor effects. Prometheus isn't much different from that - not that Prometheus is poorly told... it just has some glaring stinkers in the story-telling, but the SFX and visuals are awesome. It just seems to try too much to bee too many things all at once, instead of sticking to that fundamentally interesting idea and story.
 
Sorry if someone already posted this in this thread somewhere. It's a thought provoking read, and for me clears a lot of things up. If this really was SRS Intentions, he's a genius, and this movie will become a huge cult hit.



cavalorn: Prometheus Unbound: What The Movie Was Actually About

That article seems to make sense. But if that was his intentions then he is not a genius, he's a pretentious ass for making it too complex and alienating non-Christians.

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Anyone who was hoping Prometheus would be another AVP really need to be put out of the misery...

It was another AvP. Let's compare.

1. Mr. Weyland hires what is supposed to be the best of the best on an expedition that he is funding. Like Prometheus, no one is told what is going on until they get close to their destination. The difference here is that Mr. Weyland in AvP has no problems being around the rest of the expedition, where as Mr. Weyland in Prometheus is hiding because.... no reason is given and nobody seems to care. Bonus points for AvP for hiring an good old actor to play an old man.

Conclusion: The expedition in AvP are going to explore what they hope to be a pyramid. Nothing concrete, but everyone is prepared to make a little history. In Prometheus, the expedition is going out supposedly to find the creators of human life on Earth from nothing more than a drawing of a tall man pointing at stars. There is nothing about these wall paintings to suggest anything that they created life, but this is what our lead characters believe. AvP has the better motivation. They just wanted to find a temple.

2. When the team is about to set out, the lead female character questions why they would want to bring weapons along.

Conclusion: Prometheus wins because the team ends up not bringing weapons with them except for the typical survival knife.

3. They go inside a temple and get lost.

Conclusion: In AvP, the temple shifts around separating the characters, who make comments that they are literally in a maze. In Prometheus, the temple doesn't shift and the characters get lost anyways. But there is no reason for the crew to get lost because they have advanced 3D mapping systems on both their wrists and onboard the Prometheus who they are in constant contact with. AvP actually gives our characters obstacles to overcome, while Prometheus just makes the characters dumb.

4. Both Weyland's are confronted with the creature responsible for building the temple and what is killing every body. Both are killed by this said creature.

Conclusion: The Predator has no interest in killing Weyland at first, until he is provoked. The Engineer kills Weyland because.... I don't know. I'm giving AvP this one because AvP Weyland is awesome and Prometheus Weyland is just a water balloon.

5. The lead female character, the alien and the "other" creature duke it out. The end results in the alien and the "other" creature dying and our female hero walking away. Both feature an end sequence where an alien pops out of the "other" creature's dead chest, hisses at the screen and shows it's second inner mouth as it cuts to credits.

Conclusion: Both suck. Both really, really suck.

In the end, AvP has the better characters, better motivations, and way better editing by having it's action scenes actually make sense in the context of the film, instead of appearing out of thin air and never being brought up again which was the case with Prometheus.

AvP > Prometheus

I hate both movies, but there's no reason why Prometheus should have been worse, if not as bad as AvP.
 
How many modern films touches themes and raises questions the way Prometheus does?

I think it holds up and even if you dont like it, you gotta admit its brave. Hell, even ppl that dont like it keeps on writing about it.
 
It was another AvP. Let's compare.

1. Mr. Weyland hires what is supposed to be the best of the best on an expedition that he is funding.
This goes to what we were talking about earlier, regarding people not paying attention to the film. Maybe you got that from the viral website? This seems to be a point everyone has missed, those that like and dislike the film.

Everything in the film points to that fact that this was a secret expedition directed by Weyland, and opposed by his daughter and the board of the company. She even tried to stop him several times. The crew were definitely not hired as the "best of the best". They were expendable, just as they were in Alien. Weyland did not hire the whole crew, and the reason he did not tell the ones he did beforehand is that no one would have believed him, which is exactly how they reacted when they WERE told. His daughter hired most, and she thought this was all nonsense as well, and said so, clearly. Based on what Weyland said in the film, and David's conversation with him, the only people that mattered as far as carrying out the expedition were Shaw and David. As it turns out, even Shaw mattered little to him in the end.

I can understand not liking the film, but this was clearly and understandably set up in the dialogue from the first 5 or 10 minutes of the crew waking from hypersleep.

The difference here is that Mr. Weyland in AvP has no problems being around the rest of the expedition, where as Mr. Weyland in Prometheus is hiding because.... no reason is given and nobody seems to care.
It sure looked like he was being cared for after David woke him up. In fact that is all the people in the room with him were focused on. Shaw asked why he was in cryo, and he answered.
WEYLAND
I only had a few days of life left in me here. Didn't want to waste them until I was sure that you could deliver what you promised. To meet my maker.

Oh god, I just responded to someone who seems to know AVP so well he has it memorized. I had successfuly blocked that POS from memory.
 
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That article seems to make sense. But if that was his intentions then he is not a genius, he's a pretentious ass for making it too complex and alienating non-Christians.

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Was Milton "too complex" and a "pretentious ass" for alienating non-Christians too? Or Dante? Or any other artist that uses judeo-christian imagery as a touchstone?
 
Was Milton "too complex" and a "pretentious ass" for alienating non-Christians too? Or Dante? Or any other artist that uses judeo-christian imagery as a touchstone?

If they are writing a book or poem for a Christian audience in times where other religions are occasionally persecuted then no, they are not being pretentious. If they are writing for an international audience that is largely non-Christian then yes, they are being pretentious.
 
For someone who's a stickler for the correct spelling of Advacnded I'll have to demote you from supreme overlord correction master to just overlord correction master... unless... you were referring to someone else. .P

:lol oh god. I'm gonna plead 'posting from a tablet'. And I had a touch of mildsunstroke yesterday. I'll take the demotion though, I've been trying to correct the various autocorrect flubs.

I saw an interesting debate on someone else's FB wall the other day... one of the people attacking Prometheus eventually fessed up and said, "look, I thought this was going to be a monster movie with guns and the alien. Instead, I got a film I had a hard time following".

Kudos to him for honesty. That's been exactly the sense that's been coming from a lot of the CHUD hatefest. I think our camp can be forgiven for suspecting that sentiment is fairly widespread, eh? Not *universal* for the anti camp, but not uncommon.
 
I saw an interesting debate on someone else's FB wall the other day... one of the people attacking Prometheus eventually fessed up and said, "look, I thought this was going to be a monster movie with guns and the alien. Instead, I got a film I had a hard time following".

I think that is really the problem. This movie was mis-advertised. The television ads showed them running around all action and adventure. That is why I did not like Austin Powers the first time I saw it: I was expecting something different.

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I think many movies suffer because they are marketed wrong. Dramas that look like comedies in the previews and so on. People were expecting another Star Wars when the original Blade Runner debuted. I think this is why Ridley stressed over and over again that Prometheus is NOT really an Alien prequel.
 
Based on the posts on this forum and a few of the alien forums, no one believed Scott when he said that. People went in expecting another Alien flick anyway.

I imagine how the reaction to the film would have been if it did not have the Alien baggage and Ridley Scott name baggage on it, if it was just a film from some unknown director/writer.
 
There would definitely be discussion, just not as on this level because there would not be over 30 years of Alien/Ridley baggage to weigh it down.
Actually... it's the Ridley thing and the fact that he went back to that universe that makes Prometheus interesting to me. I would just have liked he'd severed it more from Alien and the horror movie cliches, and concentrated on the quest for the creators of all life on Earth and actually had characters that weren't inherently dumb and throwaway characters on that mission. The search for the creator of human kind is and will always be a fascinating concept for a story, but not many are able to make it interesting in a story. I guess that's what Lindeloff added to that project, turning it away from a direct Alien kind of movie, so that's good on him... but... they didn't go far enough and besides coming up with ideas... there should have been a more skilled writer to turn those ideas into a story... as what we got basically reads as a synopsis of ideas that are carelessly tied together and then mixed with the b-horror movie formula and Alien - the two latter could and should have been removed completely.
 
If they are writing a book or poem for a Christian audience in times where other religions are occasionally persecuted then no, they are not being pretentious. If they are writing for an international audience that is largely non-Christian then yes, they are being pretentious.

Got it. Artists can't use Christian imagery/similie or themes anymore.

Of course, this is so prevelant in drama, there will be large blackout periods on TV where the offending films and programs are pulled from the schedules, but as long as you're happy. Doctor Who, Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek will have to be taken off the air, to start with :rolleyes
 
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