Prometheus (Post-release)

[NAZGÛL]

Definitely a whoa. I still personally think the Engineer didn't get enraged until he realized David was an android. I have absolutely no evidence to back it up, but since the Engineers (apparently) base so much of their tech of on biological manipulation, I can see them being horribly offended (murderously so) at a purely mechanical form of life.

Charlie

Agreed.

Gods make fire. Men learn to make fire. Gods get pissed.

Jockeys make life. Men learn to make life. Jockeys get pissed.

David bleches his hair when trying to learn to be human. When spokened to, the Jockey touched Davids hair and attacks.

 

[Kit Rae]

Perhaps the fact that it was not David's natural hair color set him off?:cool

 

[Jedi2016]

Definitely a whoa. I still personally think the Engineer didn't get enraged until he realized David was an android. I have absolutely no evidence to back it up, but since the Engineers (apparently) base so much of their tech of on biological manipulation, I can see them being horribly offended (murderously so) at a purely mechanical form of life.

Well, he didn't look mad, right up until David started having a very bad day. Look at his face when Shaw is talking to him.. he's not even slightly irritated that I can see, he just looks mildly confused because he can't understand what she's saying. I have a hunch that, if he had understood her question, he would have answered it.

What's most interesting about that article is that there was a much longer conversation that was cut. I MUST SEE THIS.

 

[SmilingOtter]

Why would Scott have been so strongly about subtitling David's comments?

 

[Kerr Avon]

Why would Scott have been so strongly about subtitling David's comments?

Because even he knew that his movie made no sense at that point, and instead trying to shroud it in 'mystery' would be like him being the tailor in the Emperor's New Clothes.

He's naked.

 

[SSGT Kitten]

Why would Scott have been so strongly about subtitling David's comments?

I go with it adds a lot of mystery, and I think it still does. We don't know (i.e. SRS hasn't confirmed) what David says. With his earlier comment about wishing your parents dead, what if he DID betray Weyland. He's most likely programmed to not kill Weyland, but there may be a loophole if the Engineer does it. Or he could be loyal to Weyland. He may have said gibberish. Who knows? That is part of the fun. I personally prefer the idea of the loyal David.

Charlie

 

[Mr Webber]

Whoa:

Find Out What David Said to the Engineer in PROMETHEUS

Wow, i can see a whole reverse Tyrell/Weyland Roy/David/Engineer thing going on. Was kinda hoping that stayed a mystery for a while longer though. If the BR/DVD ends up being a special cut and not just deleted scenes,it would be far more interesting, i know SRS has said it wont but things change.

 

[Nwerke]

Too bad Scott keeps saying it is the reason in interviews.

A) he's floated the fact that they considered the idea; has he actually stated openly that it is the reason too? I missed that. B) he's also out there saying this system is Zeta Reticuli when we know it isn't, and doubtless other nonsense I haven't yet caught up with.

Ridley is just not a sci fi fan, or knowledgeable in these areas.

Because even he knew that his movie made no sense at that point, and instead trying to shroud it in 'mystery' would be like him being the tailor in the Emperor's New Clothes.

He's naked.

I suspect you are dead right.

 

[blipper]

The whole infected-Fifield thing is just bizarre. As others have said it feels off in the editing and there was certainly an alternate version shot with a much more interesting 'creature'. I think it does raise the quite reasonable suspicion that the writers also don't have a clear logic nailed down for the black goo beyond 'it does stuff'.

 

[Nwerke]

Aw dammit. That IS much more interesting. Gollum-like but clearly superior. Dammit.

How much of that is shopped, I wonder - just the head? - so this is a reconstruction, basically...

 

[blipper]

I don't know Nwerke - hard to tell these days with all the sophisticated digital jiggery-pokery, but I'm inclined to think it's a legit cut moment - it's from an article in American Cinematographer you can read here.

It's also interesting that the different trailers showed two different versions of Fifield for the same scene:

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[Jeyl]

Say, why wasn't this the Space Jockey? His proportions are more correct and he's a lot more creepier looking than those handsome Squidward clones.

 

[Colin Droidmilk]

I outlined my fears about the movie to a friend last week. A great Alien fan, he'd avoided all trailers and internet buzz, and kept himself ignorant of all aspects of the film, even the Von Daniken plot points. I told him, 'maybe you should prepare for this a little...' Well, he went in innocent as a new-born babe and reported back: 'All your fears were well-founded'. Actually he went further and said all the performances were dreadful including Fassbender's. In his view the praise heaped on Fassbender-as-robot shows people 'don't appreciate the hard work Holm put in'. He liked watching the eye-candy but said Scott had p***ed away the mystique of Alien on a meh concept, and that the film angered him.

I'll probably go see it this weekend...if for no other reason than to earn full participation rights in these threads, ha ha...

 

[letmebestormy]

There's clearly logic in the black goo. If it gets on your face it turns you into a CG creature OR a zombie version of yourself - whichever is cheaper.

 

[pnag]

I outlined my fears about the movie to a friend last week. A great Alien fan... said Scott had p***ed away the mystique of Alien on a meh concept, and that the film angered him.

That's the trouble. People were expecting an Alien movie! It's not. It's a Space Jockey/Engineer movie.

Leave your expectations at the door, and it's pretty good. Not perfect, but pretty darn good.

And as for Fassbender being bad? Sorry - but that's simply incorrect!

 

[Too Much Garlic]

That's the trouble. People were expecting an Alien movie! It's not. It's a Space Jockey/Engineer movie.
Leave your expectations at the door, and it's pretty good. Not perfect, but pretty darn good.
And as for Fassbender being bad? Sorry - but that's simply incorrect!

I see people who like it say that so often, yet it is continually explained by those who didn't that they went in expecting it WASN'T an Alien movie. I certainly didn't go in expecting an Alien movie and I think for the most part the Alien nudges were jarring and unneeded.

The movie just doesn't hold up, story-wise. It's so simple and straightforward and retarded and leaves you no real mystery, except some misplaced idiotic character reactions and motivations that is beyond unreasonable stupid that is supposed to be seen as mysterious, and shows you everything nearly up front and in your face with the characters doing basically nothing to discover, figure out or explore. No sense of mystery... it's all delivered on a big platter of WTF moments.

Felt like the type of stories I wrote when I was 8 years old. The kind that goes... and then this happens and then that happens and then something explodes over here, and then that happens and this cool stuff happening there, and... and... and... the end.

 

[Nwerke]

I look forward eagerly to your outraged fulminations, Steve! :lol

Interesting take on Fassbender. I love Ian Holm to distraction, but there's much to be said in favour of Fassbender's work too IMO. I don't see the link there. They're two different robots.

As for the "meh concept" - we've known that for two years. I'd have gotten angry myself if I was ten years younger. The film at least tries - as a friend said the other day, 'that counts for a lot with me these days'.

 

[Nwerke]

Thanks b for the AC link. I thought possible fan PS work since there's a kind of noticeable ring of distortion around his head, but maybe that's just compositing or something...

 

[pnag]

The movie just doesn't hold up, story-wise.... and then this happens and then that happens and then something explodes over here, and then that happens and this cool stuff happening there, and... and... and... the end.

In all fairness, that's your opinion. I felt very different about it, and can back it up too - that's the beauty of interpretation.

As I pointed out to a friend of mine, who loves the original 'Alien' (and who most critics consider a classic) - Ripley goes back for a cat. A CAT!!! It's terrible.

 

[GrenadeKing]

This is the first time I've actually been disappointed by the film honestly. That creature is easily 20 times more frightening than the zombie we got in the theatrical release. Why wasn't that left it? That thing is awesome!