Who's Jeff?Editing themselves into Wil Wheaton's after show?
Jeff's Kiss.
It's a Kev Smith thing.... I watch too much Fatman Beyond...Who's Jeff?
Gotcha!It's a Kev Smith thing.... I watch too much Fatman Beyond...
Ironically tho, his co host, Marc Bernardin is one of the listed producers on the front titles...
He actually talked about Picard on a recent ep and had little to say other than he was in the room, and some of the ideas they talked about are in it, but mostly it's a diff show... didn't sound like he even watched it.
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Don't get your hopes up, it's still under the Kurtzman heel.Interestingly, according to Rob Burnett, season 3 will be back to TNG form for Picard. He's been in contact with Terry Matalas and according to him, Matalas has full reins in Season 3 (Chabon, Goldsman and Kurtzman have less involvement). Rob's been hyping up Season 3 on Twitter and said he's blown away by the script. Let's hope he's right.
Yeah, I’ll believe that when I see it. Except I won’t see it.Don't get your hopes up, it's still under the Kurtzman heel.
I'm sure you believe that now...addiction is a funny thing!never again.
NuTrek is about as addictive as trenchfoot.I'm sure you believe that now...addiction is a funny thing!
Looking forward to S3 then..OK… I just finished suffering through Picard S2 despite having sworn never to watch it—I had a compelling reason that I won’t go into now. It’s not important anyway.
I’ve read through much of the thread and you guys have adeptly covered just about every problem with this disaster of a show, so I’ll just touch on the lowlights in my notes (yes, I took notes—never mind why).
I found the first two episodes promising, but the show jumped the shark pretty early in E3 when Picard was relegated to a side character in his own series—a common technique now (see SW and MCU). Picard has gone from central character to sideline persuader; he spends the whole season persuading other characters to do what the plot needs done.
E4: Kirk Thatcher’s reappearance was excruciatingly cringeworthy and should have been cut. And Seven can suddenly drive a car now? That really broke the needle on my BS-O-Meter(TM). And the Borg Queen getting into a character’s head to plant self-doubt—nah, never seen that before.
E5: What, the eeeeeeevil ICE Nazis forgot to take Pedro’s phone? The psychologist revealed as being Q fooled nobody—they did nothing to disguise DeLancie’s voice. There’s nothing more taxing on my patience than a story whose characters can’t see the painfully obvious. The Europa mission is the “butterfly effect?” We get this explained at the end, and of course it’s more woke wish fulfillment (and a retcon of First Contact). And the party heist plan is lifted right out of one of the Mission Impossible films—the one where Simon Pegg has to go through the “gait measuring” security system while Tom Cruise does that underwater disk swap. At least they stole it from another Paramount property.
E6: A MUSICAL NUMBER???? WHAT IN THE HIGH HOLY EMULSIFIED **** IS THIS????? AND THE BAND, OF COURSE, JUST PICKS UP THE TUNE AND PLAYS ALONG? WHERE IS SECURITY DURING ALL THIS? WHY DOES GOD HATE ME?????
E7: Picard’s entire coma episode, and his whole childhood backstory subplot, is just story padding to get them to ten episodes. And also, simultaneously, a reductionist retcon. At the very end, we’re told that Picard’s entire TNG character arc was just a little boy running away from his repressed pain. Thanks for s***ing on seven years of our lives, Kurtzf***. On a production note, the orange-teal lighting contrast is just as big a cinematography cliché as the anamorphic lens flares that JJ Abrams first polluted the Trek timeline with, and which are just as overused here.
E8: More padding, this time from a character (the FBI agent) whose sole purpose is to hold Picard in place for 60 minutes.
E9: Yeah, let’s interrupt the climax with a flashback. Cuz slowing down the action is always such great technique. And a decades-old firearm Picard just happens to find in an old box in a dungeon just happens to be in perfect operating condition and LOADED! Wow, such writing craft. I truly am in awe.
Kudos to whoever guessed that Agnes was the Borg queen under the mask on the Stargazer. I didn’t see that coming, but then again, I wasn’t anywhere near invested enough to even think about it.
So this was every bit as terribly, lazily written as Strange New Hair. Never again.
But wasn't it shot Back to Back with S2 with the same crew?I sat in on a James Cawley talk yesterday, and he said something arresting:
Season 3 of Picard is actually Season 8 of TNG. All the actors are back, and this time they get a proper sendoff. James was on the sets, he knows everything that happens, and said if you loved TNG, you will love S3 of Picard.
He said Patrick brings his A-game.
The showrunner is new, the first guy is gone, and the new guy is a TNG devotee who apparently didn’t much care for S1 & 2.
Finally, my own comment. I’m not upset by the idea of Q having mortality issues. But what do you do with that? That’s what’s important, and S2 left the interesting stuff on the table.
I’d rather see Q come close to death but survive, and then, see how it changed him. What does a slow, withering brush with death do to someone who’s never even considered mortality? To an infinite creature, suddenly made finite? Does it humble him? Bring him closer to Humanity? Make him more understanding of Humanity’s flaws? Or does surviving make him even more arrogant?
That’s what I’d pay to see, and especially to see John De Lancie perform it. I mentioned it to him in the bridge chat, and he thought it was a good idea. But sadly, as I said, the show left all this potential on the table.
I sat in on a James Cawley talk yesterday, and he said something arresting:
Season 3 of Picard is actually Season 8 of TNG. All the actors are back, and this time they get a proper sendoff. James was on the sets, he knows everything that happens, and said if you loved TNG, you will love S3 of Picard.
He said Patrick brings his A-game.
The showrunner is new, the first guy is gone, and the new guy is a TNG devotee who apparently didn’t much care for S1 & 2.
Finally, my own comment. I’m not upset by the idea of Q having mortality issues. But what do you do with that? That’s what’s important, and S2 left the interesting stuff on the table.
I’d rather see Q come close to death but survive, and then, see how it changed him. What does a slow, withering brush with death do to someone who’s never even considered mortality? To an infinite creature, suddenly made finite? Does it humble him? Bring him closer to Humanity? Make him more understanding of Humanity’s flaws? Or does surviving make him even more arrogant?
That’s what I’d pay to see, and especially to see John De Lancie perform it. I mentioned it to him in the bridge chat, and he thought it was a good idea. But sadly, as I said, the show left all this potential on the table.
Not forgetting The Omnipresent WesCrush.. Who's bound to swoop in for the final episode saving the day after being elevated to Q status.Hopefully Raffi and Seven of “Never Kill Anyone Again, Just Because They Deserve It” Nine get dropped off at a starbase in the first 5 minutes of Season 3, episode 1.
I can’t see a proper outing with the TNG crew with those two incongruent and insufferable characters in tow.
It’s a shame what they have done to the Seven of Nine character.
Well, same “crew” is very different from the same showrunner. He would have done his own prep, approved his own scripts, etc. A showrunner and crew have almost nothing to do with each other. A showrunner doesn’t even hire crew—he hires the people who hire those people. I was a location manager on a network series, and I never met our showrunner or even saw him from afar. Using the same crew for a back-to-back shoot is incredibly cost-efficient, and that’s why you would do it. They know the ropes of the series, they know each other, and they have a rhythm. They’ll hit the ground running.But wasn't it shot Back to Back with S2 with the same crew?
I'm just wondering just because your On set doesn't mean it can't get messed up in the final edit if he had a creative role in its production. The Tea boys are on set but I don't think they has much imput on the precedings, well apart from hydrating Sir Pats that is..
I hope its better, can't really be much worse...
Can it
Watching Voyager again, as I have been doing a lot lately, the character is like chalk and cheese compared between Voyager and Picard.Hopefully Raffi and Seven of “Never Kill Anyone Again, Just Because They Deserve It” Nine get dropped off at a starbase in the first 5 minutes of Season 3, episode 1.
I can’t see a proper outing with the TNG crew with those two incongruent and insufferable characters in tow.
It’s a shame what they have done to the Seven of Nine character.