Picard102
Sr Member
It is not. It's a big stretch to say it's even plausible given the timeframe.
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OK…I will leave you with this.
Go back and watch the premiere episode of Strange New Worlds and the timeline of our future that Pike gave…
- The Second Civil War, which is our contemporary time
-THEN the Eugenics Wars
- Then World War III
Clearly Nu-Trek has moved the Eugenics Wars to be in the not too distant future and not having occurred in the 1990’s.
Lightning
Master Member
Possibly, but someone elsewhere pointed out the fact that there is an S at the end of Eugenics Wars. They could leave Khan where he is and reveal the second Eugenics war in the lead up to WWIII. That would fix the dialogue in Space Seed. You would have the name First Eugenics War being retroactively applied to the 1992 conflict after the second one occured.
The fact that they brought this up directly in two episodes aired on the same day makes me think someone on staff has a plan to reconcile all this.
Also I could rewrite Pike's sentence thusly:
We called it the Great War, then war to end all wars, and finally just World War I.
And it would be correct historically, Pike is saying that in hind-site, they are all names for the same war.
Picard102
Sr Member
This is clearly what you wish to believe, so I'll not dissuade you. But it's not clearly indicated at all and is again, assumptions. The folder is dated 1996, the year he leaves earth, and genetic manipulation has been referenced as one of the issues that precipitates WW3 in previous Star Trek. SO it lines up with Pike's history lesson.
To quote Pike, “…we called it the Second Civil War, then the Eugenics War, and then, finally, just World War III.”
If it’s a funding report dated 1996, I have to assume Khan was not created before then and 1996 was the project start date (You don’t do a budget and funding of a project AFTER the project has concluded).
Anyway. Lazy writing and “ret-khaning” (pun intended) for the sake of yet another Easter Egg to try to shoehorn past franchise history and glories into a series that is GNDN (Goes Nowhere Does Nothing—there’s an Easter Egg for good measure)
If it’s a funding report dated 1996, I have to assume Khan was not created before then and 1996 was the project start date (You don’t do a budget and funding of a project AFTER the project has concluded).
Anyway. Lazy writing and “ret-khaning” (pun intended) for the sake of yet another Easter Egg to try to shoehorn past franchise history and glories into a series that is GNDN (Goes Nowhere Does Nothing—there’s an Easter Egg for good measure)
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Lightning
Master Member
The tab over there in the corner, can't be read very well in that picture but the visible part says "92 - 06.07.96" so whatever this is it starts in '92 and ends in June of '96.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Watching Star Trek Picard is like toiling and toiling to climb a mountain. Struggling after losing your footing, rolling down and getting back up, digging your fingers deep into the substrate to get a good grip, and after you’ve made it to top you realize that you’re an ant and it’s a pile of crap!
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Just another ‘fun’ Easter egg some intern came up with.
Y'know, the Access Media is starting to turn the corner on this show by acknowledging the awfulness, but STRANGE REHASHED WORLDS seems to be getting mixed-to-positive reviews. Which baffles me. Sure, it's one thing to judge a product on its own merits, but, for me, anything with the name STAR TREK on it will be judged by that high standard.
And, based on what I've read, it sounds like SRW has the same utter contempt/lack of respect/understanding of the lore and continuity as PICARD and STD before it. So, hardcore fans somehow saying, "Eh, whatever, I like it." continues to baffle me.
There was a time when fandom would have recoiled in shock and horror at TOS (the Old Testament) and TNG (the New Testament) being rebooted--ostensibly within continuity, if you believe the corporate line--and with no attention paid to even the most basic details of the history, characterizations, technology, and continuity of the real STAR TREK universe. We now have such gems as the anachronistic and incorrect "Project Khan", and an adult T'Pring proposing marriage to Spock, in direct conflict with their being betrothed and telepathically linked as children.
The bias of lower and lower expectations? Stockholm Syndrome, maybe?
Or is that Helsinki Syndrome, if you're from Bad Reboot, and your intern didn't do proper research?
And, based on what I've read, it sounds like SRW has the same utter contempt/lack of respect/understanding of the lore and continuity as PICARD and STD before it. So, hardcore fans somehow saying, "Eh, whatever, I like it." continues to baffle me.
There was a time when fandom would have recoiled in shock and horror at TOS (the Old Testament) and TNG (the New Testament) being rebooted--ostensibly within continuity, if you believe the corporate line--and with no attention paid to even the most basic details of the history, characterizations, technology, and continuity of the real STAR TREK universe. We now have such gems as the anachronistic and incorrect "Project Khan", and an adult T'Pring proposing marriage to Spock, in direct conflict with their being betrothed and telepathically linked as children.
The bias of lower and lower expectations? Stockholm Syndrome, maybe?
Or is that Helsinki Syndrome, if you're from Bad Reboot, and your intern didn't do proper research?
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I don't usually dive into Trek discourse, but I'll throw in my two cents and say that when I saw the folder my first thought was it was a report about the research involving Khan, not the first step in creating Khan— but my head did jump there for a second afterwards until I went back and looked at the date, so I can understand it being confusing.
I actually thought they were already alluding to Khan and the Eugenics Wars earlier on when Soong loses his funding and license for breaking the Shenzhen Convention, which seemed to limit genetic research. Since it had been established before that Khan had resulted in a ban in genetic engineering, I assumed the Shenzhen Convention was the result of the Eugenics Wars. I was surprised they went from alluding to the event to him actually pulling out the folder on it, but I think it tracks with his descendant also being involved in that same sort of research.
Haven't seen SNW, so can't comment much on what's been said there, and could be very wrong about my analysis but that's how I saw it.
Overall, I felt the season was a mixed bag, but generally disappointing—though I found this to be a cool little reference to both the past with Khan and future with Arik that I didn't mind and actually enjoyed. Won't fault anyone for having a problem with it though, as that's just me.
I actually thought they were already alluding to Khan and the Eugenics Wars earlier on when Soong loses his funding and license for breaking the Shenzhen Convention, which seemed to limit genetic research. Since it had been established before that Khan had resulted in a ban in genetic engineering, I assumed the Shenzhen Convention was the result of the Eugenics Wars. I was surprised they went from alluding to the event to him actually pulling out the folder on it, but I think it tracks with his descendant also being involved in that same sort of research.
Haven't seen SNW, so can't comment much on what's been said there, and could be very wrong about my analysis but that's how I saw it.
Overall, I felt the season was a mixed bag, but generally disappointing—though I found this to be a cool little reference to both the past with Khan and future with Arik that I didn't mind and actually enjoyed. Won't fault anyone for having a problem with it though, as that's just me.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
I liked it. The end wrapped things up in a bit of a rush, but I didn't hate the backward time travel as much as I'd expected to. Still probably not the thing I'd have written a second season to be, but it's a good enough send off for Q and it's nice to get a little check in on where Wesley Crusher ended up.
I don't think Q is ever really dead/dispersed or reconfigured.. I expect him to go
Suprise!
It was meerly a case of indigestion brought on by my many Adventures with the Puny Mortals..
God I miss when Q had a decent script Doctor to make him probably the best mischief maker in Star Trek history..
Interesting video that is even-handed in its assessment and I believe accurate in its reporting.
Good video, but, for those wanting to save time, I can sum it up in two words:
“Desperation move”.
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