Origins of the ROTJ Vader helmets: JY thread continuation
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If you guys want this settled I could try to have my source contact Don Bies since they know each other quite well. Yes, I am that confident in my source.
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Qui-Gonzalez
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The timeline on the photo is not quite important though, Thomas. If they are promo helmets, they are promo helmets. THAT is what was said. It sounds like your "source" is only confirming dates. Again, if the guys in the model shop told Don years later that those were promo helmets, who is more correct here? A guy who has access to the images, or the guys in the pic?
No my source also thinks they are production quality.
Well he has no reason to discuss it with you, he can simply clarify it with Don and Don could post here. Or we could let my source and Don duke it out :lol but I think Don would listen to my source. :love
CSMacLaren
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Yeah, here we go.
Just kidding! :love
Just kidding! :love
lonepigeon
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Those belt boxes and chest boxes all look like promo suits to me (except the upper left one which is obviously the one they're trying to copy).
Did Vader ever wear those belt boxes with square green lights in the movies. All I see in ROTJ is the rectangular ones. Those chest boxes don't have any Hebrew writing either which all the ROTJ ones seem to have.
Maybe I'm wrong though. I don't know this stuff as well as others.
I also wouldn't necessarily trust the notes in the LFL image database.
There's no reason to assume that the person who entered the info years ago was right. How may times have people here complained about LFL mislabeling things?
Since Gino posted these in the other thread, I'm assuming he won't mind them linked here as well.
Did Vader ever wear those belt boxes with square green lights in the movies. All I see in ROTJ is the rectangular ones. Those chest boxes don't have any Hebrew writing either which all the ROTJ ones seem to have.
Maybe I'm wrong though. I don't know this stuff as well as others.
I also wouldn't necessarily trust the notes in the LFL image database.
There's no reason to assume that the person who entered the info years ago was right. How may times have people here complained about LFL mislabeling things?
Since Gino posted these in the other thread, I'm assuming he won't mind them linked here as well.
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Oops, posted at the same time :thumbsup
GINO
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Bingo.
You are on the money. No square green lights on any screen used Vader belts.
That could have been added later, but there is a major difference between the screen used writing and the promo stuff.
Exactly.
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artoo77
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Qui-Gonzalez
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Chris, you are the first one to actually catch and post the differences in the images. It just seems like they tried to mimic and came up short on a lot of the stuff...and since it was for character appearances, who really cared at the time? Close enough for horseshoes.
Thanks in advance for stepping in, Don. Things are going to get interesting.
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artoo77
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To address the photos, and to explain my thought behind my assessment:
The three people in the photos are (L-R): Marc Thorpe, Chuck Wiley and Wesley Seeds, all former ILM modelmakers, taken at the ILM modelshop. To the best of my knowledge, all the film used Vaders were made in the UK. Chuck Wiley personally told me they made "a bunch of Vaders" around the time of Jedi, not necessarily for the film but for personal appearances. BTW, the boxes didn't have electronics in them, either.
Within the archives, there exists three Vader mounting styles: A clip style, seen in BTS footage of "The Making of Star Wars" (ANH era); a low-profile ring style (the one seen to the left in the picture), and the taller ring or tube style seen in the pictures here.
I would be happy to talk to your Lucasfilm photo content person contact, especially if it is an acquaintance. Their information is partially right--it is from the ROJ-era, but I don't think it was for the film.
--Don Bies
The three people in the photos are (L-R): Marc Thorpe, Chuck Wiley and Wesley Seeds, all former ILM modelmakers, taken at the ILM modelshop. To the best of my knowledge, all the film used Vaders were made in the UK. Chuck Wiley personally told me they made "a bunch of Vaders" around the time of Jedi, not necessarily for the film but for personal appearances. BTW, the boxes didn't have electronics in them, either.
Within the archives, there exists three Vader mounting styles: A clip style, seen in BTS footage of "The Making of Star Wars" (ANH era); a low-profile ring style (the one seen to the left in the picture), and the taller ring or tube style seen in the pictures here.
I would be happy to talk to your Lucasfilm photo content person contact, especially if it is an acquaintance. Their information is partially right--it is from the ROJ-era, but I don't think it was for the film.
--Don Bies
GINO
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That was my understanding as well.
Also, here is a close up of one of the belt boxes seen in that shot.
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ArtisanProps
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The Story I got a while back, was the film used Vader Gino is talking about
in the upper left hand corner was used as refference to create the character appearance
tour and display suits..
in the upper left hand corner was used as refference to create the character appearance
tour and display suits..
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Qui-Gonzalez
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You mean that ISN'T screen used? :rolleyes
Sorry, could not resist the sarcasm. Damn those are ugly boxes.
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