CSMacLaren
Sr Member
It reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister who said there were no US troops in Iraq (when they were all over the place) and that Iraq had won.
Gosh, I miss that guy. :love
Original ANH Stormtrooper helmet and Armor - Just the Facts
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It reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister who said there were no US troops in Iraq (when they were all over the place) and that Iraq had won.
Gosh, I miss that guy. :love
geordietrooper
Sr Member
its the person who posted the facebook link on page 7 carbonite kid not T*E
Ainsworth replied on his facebook page.
He now admits that his stand was "influenced" by the Master Replicas stand, but claims his is the superior product, and that MR later copied another of his stands.
However, he failed to address any of the questions about which helmet design he is claiming was Nick Pemberton's or Liz Moore's, or about the differences in his helmets and armor from the originals. Instead, he simply asks if we are disputing the evidence reported by Pemberton (and his "workforce"), Mollo, Lucas, and Liz's boyfriend.
"Red clay" or "red herring"?
I'm assuming that Pemberton's sculpt might have actually been primarily composed of red clay, and that it was painted grey to make it uniform (due to the use of components which were not red clay).
If we can provide transcripts of Pemberton's testimony citing his use of the Morris Minor components in his sculpt, it should be very clear which design should be credited to Liz Moore, regardless of which helmet was made from red or grey clay.
He now admits that his stand was "influenced" by the Master Replicas stand, but claims his is the superior product, and that MR later copied another of his stands.
However, he failed to address any of the questions about which helmet design he is claiming was Nick Pemberton's or Liz Moore's, or about the differences in his helmets and armor from the originals. Instead, he simply asks if we are disputing the evidence reported by Pemberton (and his "workforce"), Mollo, Lucas, and Liz's boyfriend.
"Red clay" or "red herring"?
I'm assuming that Pemberton's sculpt might have actually been primarily composed of red clay, and that it was painted grey to make it uniform (due to the use of components which were not red clay).
If we can provide transcripts of Pemberton's testimony citing his use of the Morris Minor components in his sculpt, it should be very clear which design should be credited to Liz Moore, regardless of which helmet was made from red or grey clay.
carbonitekid
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Bloody cheek!!
No I'm not T*E . :lol
Loving the " I'm not aware of any particular detail in this area" statment from him regarding the oval in the tear trap.
exoray
Master Member
So taking their stand and using it as a vacuum buck and back filling the resulting pulled shell with resin is "influenced" :lol What happened to his "I get them from a 'generic' Chinese trophy manufacture" claim? I guess he is a self admitted lier now, not that, that is a bid surprise to anyone...
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
It doesn't fit anywhere as far as I know. It was some silly idea he had is all. It never went anywhere beyond his shop. The trooper experts can let me know if I am mistaken.
The only thing I can see being questioned is the conclusion Justice Mann came to with respect to who sculpted the helmet, which was in any case an ancillary point at best. In the end who sculpted it was irrelevant to the outcome as the design predated the sculpture. Even Ainsworth's barrister conceded that fact:
"...Mr Wilson, on behalf of Mr Ainsworth, did not dispute that the helmet thus produced (and the final version) was a substantial reproduction of the McQuarrie material for copyright purposes..." from para 37 of the High Court judgment.
The issue of whether Ms. Moore sculpted the "red clay" Stormtrooper has been looked at in far more depth here than it ever was at trial, and by people who are far more qualified to do so than the judge. The fact that people who can't usually agree on what direction up is where props are concerned; people who will scrutinise every lump, bump and wrinkle to a point bordering on obsession all seem to accept it as Liz Moore's work speaks volumes. As does Mr Ainsworth's willingness to take credit for it.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I can answer the first one. If I recall, Ainsworth was looking for a "better" way to fabricate the helmets. The hose back was his solution he was going to pitch for ESB.
CSMacLaren
Sr Member
I'm just curious. How many of you are on the major stormtrooper boards like whitearmor.net, MEPD, FISD, etc. and can help get the word out on Ainsworth's revisionist history antics?
CTF
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:thumbsup
lonepigeon
Master Member
Are the court documents publicly available with all statements made by Pemberton, Liz Moore's boyfriend, and anyone else about who made which helmet?
If so, individual statements should be pulled together and used to prove that Liz did indeed make the screen style helmet. Facts and quotes directly from the case are more difficult for AA to talk his way around.
If so, individual statements should be pulled together and used to prove that Liz did indeed make the screen style helmet. Facts and quotes directly from the case are more difficult for AA to talk his way around.
Do you think that this ''prototype'' is what he's referring to when he claims to have sculpted the original helmet?
Because it's evident in this comparison below that the ''prototype'' and the Screen-Used are two different designs/sculpts.
Another strange thing I just noticed about the ''prototype'' is that is has the ''Tear Trap'', but Ainsworth just said in the Red Clay discussion that he has no knowledge of this particular detail.
AA:
So either he's not familiar with that Fan-Boy terminology, or his deception is catching up with him. Hmmm...
Opinions?
CSMacLaren
Sr Member
Sean, I'm not completely certain you did that comparison correctly. You have to take into account the camera distance (and the resulting perspective distortion - it gets worse when you get closer to the object). Also, the three dimensional (pitch, roll and yaw) orientation of the helmets are different. The prototype is more at eye-level and turned away from the camera, whereas the Hero is turned towards the camera slightly and has a bit of a bird's eye view.
However, the so-called Prototype is cut differently. The skullcap appears to be its own separate piece, and the way it's mounted is inconsistent with the movie helmets in that the faceplate's chin sticks out so the face is at a weird angle.
The front trapezoid shapes appear to be the same size as the ones in the rear. But as I compare the side view with my SFS, the "Prototype"'s skullcap's side profile appears correct, so Ainsworth just messed with it too much.
Then the rear plate isn't deep enough and looks too perfect, so it may be a plastic sheet back there. The front piece was vacformed and cut with a lot of extra material so that may be throwing some of the proportions off.
Someone with such vacforming expertise should not have had to go through such lengths to produce something so complicated and ghastly if he had truly created the Stormtrooper. The elegance of the clay sculpt is gone.
This is a terrible bastardization, and even my vacuum cleaner looks more handsome.
However, the so-called Prototype is cut differently. The skullcap appears to be its own separate piece, and the way it's mounted is inconsistent with the movie helmets in that the faceplate's chin sticks out so the face is at a weird angle.
The front trapezoid shapes appear to be the same size as the ones in the rear. But as I compare the side view with my SFS, the "Prototype"'s skullcap's side profile appears correct, so Ainsworth just messed with it too much.
Then the rear plate isn't deep enough and looks too perfect, so it may be a plastic sheet back there. The front piece was vacformed and cut with a lot of extra material so that may be throwing some of the proportions off.
Someone with such vacforming expertise should not have had to go through such lengths to produce something so complicated and ghastly if he had truly created the Stormtrooper. The elegance of the clay sculpt is gone.
This is a terrible bastardization, and even my vacuum cleaner looks more handsome.
CSMacLaren
Sr Member
Actually, Ainsworth's "Prototype" reminds me of the mysterious merman on display in The Curious Horniman Museum, which is made of a dead baby monkey and a dead fish, cobbled together by someone with some taxidermy skills - made to fool people.
The Curious Horniman Museum
The Curious Horniman Museum
geordietrooper
Sr Member
CSMacLaren
Sr Member
No that was my fault for not citing the source of the image. I thought it had a watermark on it, I should have double-checked before I posted it.
Beyond the back, the neck and the cut of the ''prototype'', it's overall appearance looks different to me, would the distance of the camera affect it that dramatically?
Also the trapezoids on the ''prototype'' look considerably larger than those on the Screen-Used helmet.
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