MR Stormtrooper helmet

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by _Lee_, Feb 19, 2006.

  1. _Lee_

    _Lee_ Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Just read this elsewhere.It is a description of the upcoming Stormtrooper helmet releases from MR.

    Stormtrooper helmets:

    CE: Vacuum formed in 4 pieces: Face Mask, Dome and 2 ears. The geometry of the helmet will be symmetrical as it was intended to be. The lense will be a flat lense.
    LE: This will be vacuum formed in 4 pieces: Face Mask, Dome and 2 ears. The material will be more premium than the the CE version. The geometry will be "wonky" exactly as seen on screen. The lense will be the bubble lense. The inside will be padded.
    EE: This will be made in 4 pieces, as well However, this will made of hand laid fiberglass. The gemoetry will be symmtrical. The lense will be the bubble lense. The inside will have premium padding.

    We have not finalized our product plan for 2007 yet, so future helmets are still in discussion. . .

    After reading this,are there many of you out there who are going to take the plunge on one of these,or will you stick with the many custom kits that are available.I personally find the custom/fan made helmets so much better and in many cases more accurate to any others that have been offered officialy through Lucasfilm.I understand that MR will do a better job than the other offical replicas but how many of you guys will be sticking to your own and staying away from these?

    I only own one Stormtrooper helmet so far,which is an FX that i built myself as practice for higher quality,more accurate ones(when i get the chance and finances.).So i think im going to stick to fan made ones.
     
  2. GundamZeppelin

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    I interested in seeing out it comes out :D
     
  3. voice in the crowd

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    This sounds very promising. I don't fancy the sanitized version but would love for the first time a licensed prop maker to make a stormtrooper helmet taken from an original and keep all the 'wonky' details. Still would prefer if they made a stunt helmet with flat lenses.

    There are apparently two screen used ANH helmets in the LFL archives one stunt and one hero. MR have the chance to get it right and give the purists exactly what they want. Lets hope they can deliver.

    I will have to see the helmets and find out exactly what materials are being used but by the sounds of things MR are making all the right noises at the moment.

    I think MR have the ability to please the purists and the people who want a more sanitized version. It would be very nice if they could get it right.

    They will sell out even if they make all the known variations of the helmets so it will be more financially beneficial to MR to make as many variations as they can.

    Cheers Chris.
     
  4. RKW

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    I applaud MR is they do offer a "wonky" version. Hopefully they will take this stance with any other OT helmet they offer such as Vader.
     
  5. KevVader

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    I'll definitely get one....very interested to see the finished version. Their test sculpt looked good. I like the idea of what "Empire Inc." would build in contrast to the sloppy prop-accurate versions....
     
  6. RedTwoX

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    There is room for both idealized and screen accurate pieces in my collection. I'm encouraged to see that both will be avaialble. MR's products are generally priced higher than what I want to send, but I would be willing to dig a little deeper into the account for a good Stormie Bucket. I'll be keeping my eye on this.
     
  7. Lukes Roommate

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    Frankly, I hate the "wonkyness", it looks like $^@% even if it is "screen accurate".
    It's funny how it's diefied even though it's just a result of time and money constraints.

    That being said, I will obviously keep what I have in my collection so far, but will add a few of the MR buckets too. Their production differences sound very interesting.
     
  8. Predatormv

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    I would probally get the CE and the LE version, I too like the cleaned up as invisioned idea. But I also like the accurate style. And since none of the original helmets were fiberglass I will pass on the EE.
     
  9. Trallis

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    i think they're a little nuts... make the stunt wonky, and the hero idealized and symmetrical.. that would just be much cooler. If anything should be idealized its the hero.
     
  10. Too Much Garlic

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    How will they make it symmetrical? Will they simply scan one side of the helmet and then mirror it? Or will they scan both sides and then and then mirror it on top of each other and then having a computer figure out the shape from that - calculate the average between the two sides on top of each other... find the middle ground (or however you say it in English)? If you know what I mean?

    Both sides of the helmet are different. It would be nice to see the symmetrical version not simply be one side mirrored to make the whole helmet. Though, this way will definitely be more time-consuming than simply just mirroring one side, which would just be so cheesy looking.

    Same with the Vader helmet to remove some of the wonkyness in the face as seen in the symmetrical RotS version.
     
  11. OldKen

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    hmmm very interesting, i was wondering how they were going to handle this...

    but WTF is up with the EE... pay way more for something that is no where near the real prop?

    i thought the EEs were supposed to be more like the real deal not so much idealized...

    and they appearently didnt specify stunt or hero... :unsure

    just cause it says bubble lenses, doesnt mean its a hero...

    are the mouths going to be different?

    all who know about the subtle differences know that there are differences and that bubble lenses and even the teeth count arent where they stop.

    i think they shouldve done 3 versions of both but i think this woulda made more sense...

    the CE cleaned up 2 piece design.

    the LE cleaned up but more pieces and better materials

    the EE a 100% accurate in every way to the screen used originals.

    and do that for the stunt and hero.

    i think that woulda made more sense, i think it will be a while before we know the whole deal though.

    and yes nohumorman, MR is supposedly averaging out both sides not picking one and mirroring it, that we DO know.
     
  12. Too Much Garlic

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    WOOHOO... that definitely sparks my interest in the project then, 'cause we all know how the DP DLX turned out. .)

    Doing my Happy Dance. :lol
     
  13. OPPI

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    I will probably grab a CE when these come out. Gotta see what they look like first, i might go with an LE instead

    dan
     
  14. Apollo

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    I am interested but I am going to wait untill the Helmets start shipping before I order
     
  15. OldKen

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    probably not a bad idea. :(

    i am a MR supporter but... yeah, just to be on the safe side.
     
  16. Star Wars Helmets

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    This sounds very strange - but very interesting

    So its going to be a cheap vac-formed symmetrical Stunt,

    but a mid-priced wonky vac-formed Hero.

    Then the premium priced helmet will by symmetrial fiberglass.

    3 different production runs/materials. Given the recent problem you would think they'd be making things easier, not more difficult.

    Are we sure this is from MR or some kind of strange wish list?

    Cheers

    Jez
     
  17. micdavis

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    I would think the EE should be the "wonky" one.

    Only the elitist, crazy people want to pay more money for some thing "accurate".

    Doesn't seem to make sense.
     
  18. RKW

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    MR EE's have always been idealised replicas made out of better materials thus costing more.
     
  19. Too Much Garlic

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    Could someone please explain the MR CE, LE & EE abbreviations for a non MR collector. please. I imagine that the LE is Limited Edition... but I cannot figure out the other two.
     
  20. micdavis

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    I didn't think of it that way, you're right. They have done it that way.

    Still doesn't make sense to me.

    I would think the Elites, should be the Ultimate in accuracy. Spare no expense, no compromises, no job too big, no fee to big.
     
  21. LiquidPhoenix

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    CE = Collectors Edition ( the everyone level)
    LE = Limited Edition ( normal run level)
    EE = Elite Editon ( best of everything)


    As for the Trooper helmet, I'll pick one up CE for sure, maybe an LE depending on price point.

    -LP
     
  22. AnsonJames

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    I wonder if the wonky helmet with the bubble lenses is an ANH - could it be a Jedi version perhaps?
    I think it would be more likely that MR would copy one of the Special Edition/tour helmets...
     
  23. RKW

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    I guess that they are factoring in that only 2% of the population will want "wonky" helmets. Ergo more money to be made from the EE's.
     
  24. Chewcy

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    I knew that MR were making two different ones, a CE and LE but I havent had any info thru yet regarding a EE

    Paul
     
  25. _Lee_

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    Jez,

    This info came directly from MR :)

    Cheers

    Lee
     
  26. TK765

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    This was on the MR Blog....

    "We are currently developing 3 editions of the Storm Trooper Helmet: CE, LE and EE. It is important to note that just because we are developing all 3, this does not mean that we will ultimately release all 3. However, when they are made available, the editions will be identified so that you can make the decision of which one you would like to purchase: Here are the 3 (currently) editions and a brief description:

    CE: Vacuum formed in 4 pieces: Face Mask, Dome and 2 ears. The geometry of the helmet will be symmetrical as it was intended to be. The lense will be a flat lense.
    LE: This will be vacuum formed in 4 pieces: Face Mask, Dome and 2 ears. The material will be more premium than the the CE version. The geometry will be "wonky" exactly as seen on screen. The lense will be the bubble lense. The inside will be padded.
    EE: This will be made in 4 pieces, as well However, this will made of hand laid fiberglass. The gemoetry will be symmtrical. The lense will be the bubble lense. The inside will have premium padding.

    We have not finalized our product plan for 2007 yet, so future helmets are still in discussion..."
     
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  27. Star Wars Helmets

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    In that case its a very interesting move for MR, not least because theyre moving from fiberglass to vac forming plastic.

    Its odd that they showed the original (fiberglass) Stormtrooper prototype at last years toy show, but not this, does anyone know if the Stormtroopers been delayed in favour of the Boba Fett?

    If they go ahead I'll certainly be getting one of the LE's (Hero's). I'm sure they'll do a LE Stunt some time as well.

    btw why can no one spell "Lens" :lol

    Cheers

    Jez
     
  28. gizmo

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    Everyone to themselves I guess but I`ll definetly be in for a LE if they produce it.
    I understand how people want an idealized version but to me as soon as you start altering things on these buckets it just doesn`t look like the stormtrooper I know and love and have grown up with. :)

    Kind regards
    Ben
     
  29. jordankarr

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    In the end it will all come down to how much they want to charge for those three brands of Helmets.

    CE should be no higher then 250.00
    LE should be no higher then 350.00
    EE should be no higher then 450.00

    just my 2 cents
     
  30. AT-AT Luvah

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    Guys, come on. Master Replicas is potentially making something to make everybody happy and people are now complaining LE versus EE identifiers?

    I would really hate to be a prop company. You really can't win.

    That said, I applaud them for this move. I think this is a wise business approach and helps satisfy their varied customer segments.

    Hector
     
  31. Betamin

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    I'd want to get the CE and then see if I could get "bubble" lenses for it from someone.
     
  32. AnsonJames

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    I'd only go for the LE -
    Who knows - maybe it's from the original molds.
    Only joking.
     
  33. voice in the crowd

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    I don't see it as being very strange for MR to go to plastic as it will surely be cheaper to produce than hand laid fibreglass. The mark up on 4 pieces of plastic with some lenses stuck in must be considerable. I am not being cynical when I am saying this its just a fact MR are a business after all and this will surely help their business financially.

    I look forward to seeing the results in both plastic and fibreglass.

    It will be hard to resist all three versions (if they all materialise) if they do a good job of them :)

    Cheers Chris.
     
  34. Star Wars Helmets

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    Hi Chris, I actually welcome MR's proposed 3-helmet range, as they'll be appealing to all types of collectors.

    However I just thought it a bit odd, as instead of making one "type" of helmet, with one mould and one production process, they'll instead be doing this three times over. Given the learning curve over the fiberglass helmet, I just thought it an interesting venture to again move into "new" territory, and then have effectively three different (concurrent) projects. ThereÂ’s a rumour on Rebelscum that GFollanoÂ’s helping out which if true would certainly help the vac-formed production process.

    I think we're both agreed that if they pull it off, It'll make them very tempting helmets. They're sure to have had access to the Hero in the LFL archives I just hope they're able to replicate it as much as possible.

    Cheers

    Jez
     
  35. voice in the crowd

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    Jez,

    If they can pull it off I would buy one of each type used in all the movies of the trilogy :lol

    It would be great if they could give us all the variations in all the various materials. I think however this would be being a bit greedy on our part :D and not very good business on their part producing what is effectively (to the eye of the people not obsessed by screen accurate details (we should maybe call them the sane ones :)) ) the same product over and over.

    I really have faith in MR to produce a good helmet but they do have it in their hands to be the first licensed prop maker to make a trully great helmet and I really do hope they can pull it off. There is no real reason why they can't.

    If true GF's involvement should possibly bring this into fruition.

    If MR makes these and other helmets from the original trilogy and gets it right it will definitely be one of the biggest jewels in their crown.

    Cheers Chris.
     
  36. Too Much Garlic

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    I'm quite sure that the MR Stormtrooper will be my first licenced purchase that I may even be satisfied with. Hope they deliver and have learnt their lessons concerning quality control before shipping out.
     
  37. KevVader

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    ...totally agreed.....with the QC issues with the latest round of helmets still stinging...I'm surprised that they would be doing potentially 3 versions of helmets. Three times the potential headaches....
    Perhaps MR figures that if DPS did it with the Standard, CA and DLX helmet line, they can too.....hopefully, they can pull it off.....
     
  38. Bluewolf

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    I can't believe I am here writing how much I want an MR trooper helmet, when I am still waiting on my Clone helmet.

    My money will vote for the sanitized helmet, just wish the sanitized was the LE version. I wonder how MR will explain to some unknowledgable buyer why their LE helmet is "wonky". If the EE sanitized is a reasonable price, that would be my goal.
     
  39. godzilla

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    I love their plan for these Trooper helmets. I was hoping they would do something like this, but I figured it would be too much trouble since the CAD design/prototyping process is a lot of work and expense.

    Actually this scores big points in my book with the whole concept of LE vs. CE. I think Master Replicas probably kicked themselves for doing limited runs of signature props early in the life of the company like the Luke ROTJ saber and the Han ANH blaster. It sort of limits the future of the company to completely limit an important piece to one time only. There's has to be a balancing act in keeping people happy with LE vs. CE. I'm glad they're making different people happy right off the bat.
     
  40. Art Andrews

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    As has been posted above, it seems that GF is involved in this project and if so, it is possible that the MR helmet is derived from his helmet, and not a new source. IF that is true, I am curious as to why everyone is so excited about this helmet. I am not trying to crap on it in any way but it seems to me that this helmet will be a rework of a previously reworked helmet. Am I just missing something here?

    We know MR scanned a real Fett Helmet. Is there any info on the actual source of this helmet?
     
  41. RKW

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    I have no idea if you are right or wrong with this but why would they use the GF helmet if they have access to helmets in the archive? Plus I thought GF sold all his molds to AP :confused

    I wonder if LFL's lawyers will be stood behind him watching over his shoulder :lol
     
  42. Star Wars Man

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    2007? for gosh sake.

    instead of looking into the future, they should start getting the things they are doing now lookin good. vader helmet
     
  43. KevVader

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    ...Exactly....doesn't make sense....
     
  44. NEKROFANATIC

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    Just because GF 'may' be involved does not mean they are using his helmet. He could, if he is being consulted at all, be there strictly as a hands on consultant for the molding and vac processing of the helmets. Again, just speculating, as none of us here know whether or not he is involved or to what extent... :)
     
  45. Lukes Roommate

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    Why do we always start the rumour mill here? We have little info, so why not just sit tight til we are told something? Speculation leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to Icons...
     
  46. Star Wars Helmets

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    I would hope MR would be basing their designs on helmets found in the archives, Stunt and Hero’s – although I do remember when we first saw pics of the prototype helmet at last years Toy Show event I remarked it looked like a GF (the dome curve was a bit of a giveaway). Anyway – that was just a prototype (I hope...).

    Whatever, IF MR is looking at vac forming then it would make sense to get some consultancy from someone with some experience in vac forming the suckers (although I suppose they could phone up AA :lol :lol :lol)

    Cheers

    Jez
     
  47. KevVader

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    ....now you've done it Jez....y'know that's gonna cost ya. :p
     
  48. Art Andrews

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    Exactly. This is why I brought it up. I am not making statements of fact or trying to start rumors. I am asking questions based off two seperate pieces of info. The first being that the prototype DID look a bit like GF's helmet, and now there is talk of GF's involvement in the project. For the sake of allt hose lining up to buy a helmet, I do hope that the prototype is not sourced from the same helmet as the final will be, but as I asked initially, will people here still be lining up to buy one if it ends up basically being a cleaned up GF?
     
  49. TK765

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    I won't be interested in any unless I know the source of the master.

    I also won't be interested in any "symmetrical" cleaned up version either, it just won't look right. If you take a photo of the MR prototype and color the lenses in it looks way wrong.

    Unfortunately I think its wishfull thinking that LFL would allow any molds to be taken by MR of the only 2 ANH helmets left in the archives, now that they know what they have.

    I just don't see it happening on one hand but on the other hand, based on the way they have stuff just sitting around collecting dust in boxes, they may not care.

    So if they don't make the wonky helmet from those then the question is what will they be using as the master.
     

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