MR Fett
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No it does not. That is unique to the ESB Hero. It appears the "wave" is due to a correction to damage on the ESB bucket.
Yes, the ESB Hero does have electronics but it lacks the graphic in the lens. From what we know:
PP2 - Wired for electronics
PP3 - Has electronics
ESB Hero - Has electronics
RotJ - Wired for electronics
The PP2 has a graphic in its lens and it was never even used on screen so I am not sure that the graphic in the lens indicates more attention.
soltic
Active Member
What I find interesting is the overall the direction where this may be going :thumbsup .
@ the end of the day this what I think I'm hearing on this MR release: we've got an LE Fett lid - which has been determined by 2TDH "heavyweights", so to say, as being scanned NOT from a Hero but a preproduction.
& it's also stated that "the hero lid", is the one everyone has seen (in the movie) & mostly on display which has always been considered the "bell shape" in "most" (including myself) people's minds.
& it's this lid that lids like FP's last "Movie Size(d) Helmet" (MSH2)& (Sgt Fang's?) the "Mystery Helmet" (MH) emulated.... (some better than others).....
So @ the end of the day - correct me if I'm wrong - this MR lid has no ESB screen attributes as far as flare.... or wavy brow.... but more of what "people may remember" as being a ROTJ Hero lid in shape.... ???....
@ the end of the day this what I think I'm hearing on this MR release: we've got an LE Fett lid - which has been determined by 2TDH "heavyweights", so to say, as being scanned NOT from a Hero but a preproduction.
& it's also stated that "the hero lid", is the one everyone has seen (in the movie) & mostly on display which has always been considered the "bell shape" in "most" (including myself) people's minds.
& it's this lid that lids like FP's last "Movie Size(d) Helmet" (MSH2)& (Sgt Fang's?) the "Mystery Helmet" (MH) emulated.... (some better than others).....
So @ the end of the day - correct me if I'm wrong - this MR lid has no ESB screen attributes as far as flare.... or wavy brow.... but more of what "people may remember" as being a ROTJ Hero lid in shape.... ???....
Durasteel Corporation
Well-Known Member
The ROTJ helmet, which I believe was the MOM helmet is nearly identical in overall shape.
I did not think it was until I "discovered" a photo my friend took at the DC MOM which is...to this day...the best front on (or mugshot) photo of the MOM helmet I have ever seen.
An overlay comparison of this helmet on the AOSW helmet and on several screen caps (there is a great shot in ROTJ when Fett is looking across a barge or skiff) in which his helmet is about 97% dead on with the camera.
So regardless of film caps, I can say that the MOM helmet and AOSW helmet are extremely close in shape. I also stood in front as about 8 measurements were taken on of the MOM helmet and these match a number of known measurements.
I think the MR version will be quite kickin, no doubt. Just wish I had the money.
what is that old saying...."the cobblers children have no shoes"
So much for a professional costume and reproduction specialist.
Originally posted by soltic@Feb 18 2006, 04:33 AM-->
Right. The ESB hero helmet everyone has come to know and love is the one seen in ESB publicity shots, ESB, the SE scenes, ans on tour at AoSW.
The MSH2 was designed after the ESB hero seen at AoSW. I am not sure Sgt Fang's was made to emulate any particular helmet. It was simply a recast from a helmet he snagged on eBay. We believe (but have not undeniably proved) that the mystery helmet may have derived from the a casting of the PP2 which Don Post did have at one time. If the Sgt Fang / Marrow Sun / Mystery helmet did come fromt he PP2 as we expect, then it would be closer to an RotJ bucket than the ESB hero we have all come to know and love.
This is true.... kinda. Saying the MR helmet "has no screen attibutes in regard to flare and wavy brow" is somewhat misleading. I think it would be more accurate to say that the MR helmet has almost all of the screen used attributes EXCEPT the wavy brow and flare."
The problem is more of a misrepresentation over the years of what the ESB hero helmet is.. This misunderstanding mainly springs from the ESB publicity photos that are taken from a low angle, making the ESB helmet appear to have a great deal of flare. This point was further exagerrated because the Don Post Replica helmet was pinched and to try to regain the "ESB shape" various sculptors began adding flare using a number of techniques. Because all we have heard for years is "flare, flare, flare" it puts a wrong thought in our heads about the differences between the ESB helmet and the others. Take a look at this pic.
Rotj on left, ESB on right. I am not arguing there is no difference but that the difference is dramatically less than people have come to believe.
Getting back to what you stated, I dont' think that MR has commited a crime in casting the PP3 in regard to the flare issue.
In regard to the wavy band above the eyes, well, it simply isn't on the PP3. That is really all that can be said.
I think some of this will come down to marketting. If MR markets their helmet as having come from "THE" ESB HERO HELMET that was seen on screen, I will be disappointed because it simply does not. If they market it as having come from "AN" ESB HERO HELEMT, they are absolutely right. It does. If they market it as looking like the ESB helmet seen on screen, well, for the most part it does. The paint is vitually identical (to the avergae person). As stated above, the PP3 was obviously made as a twin to the ESB hero. For all intents and purposes they could have swapped them back and forth during filming (although we can find no evidence that they did).
I know several have implied that if MR markets this as an ESB Hero helmet their marketting will be deceiptful. I do not believe that to be so, even though their helmet did not come from the ESB Hero so many have come to know and love.
Doh. There went all of my credibility right out the window. Would it help if I told you when I was a child that my grandmother put an "L" and an "R" on my shoes so I would know which is which... The problem was there was no coorisponding "L" and "R" on my feet.
Editted above post for clarity.
Editted above post for clarity.
E2K13
New Member
It is a huge misconception that the ROTJ helmet was an easier paint job. My preference is still for the ESB but the ROTJ helmet has a ton of deep scrapes as well as small detailed painting areas which are often overlooked. To actually get a good ROTJ paint job though the helmet would need a lot of carving on first.
True, and I would be disappointed if they didn't rerelease it at a later time as the RotJ. Seems they are heavily relying on this with the clones so I wouldn't be suprised.
I do have to disagree with the 3 year-ols comment though. There is no doubt that the PP2 and RotJ and an unused prepro helmet, that were painted by a contract company are very different in style than the ESB. However, I would argue that the RotJ is actually more realistic in its weathering than the ESB (although perhaps not as visually striking) and would be MUCH more difficult to replicate than the ESb due to the subtle shifting of colors and washes where the ESB is fairly straight forward and hard lined. Just my thoughts....
I do have to disagree with the 3 year-ols comment though. There is no doubt that the PP2 and RotJ and an unused prepro helmet, that were painted by a contract company are very different in style than the ESB. However, I would argue that the RotJ is actually more realistic in its weathering than the ESB (although perhaps not as visually striking) and would be MUCH more difficult to replicate than the ESb due to the subtle shifting of colors and washes where the ESB is fairly straight forward and hard lined. Just my thoughts....
DL 44 Blaster
Sr Member
I'll concede that the ROTJ is an extremely difficult paintjob to replicate...ACCURATELY...due to,as mentioned,the many layers of wash and weathering,scratchs. While I've not painted one (yet) the studying I've done tells me it is no small task to strikingly replicate this helmet.
It doesn't necessarily detract from the realistic paintjob given to the ESB,which I would consider equally difficult for simply different reasons most of which are intricate details and layered paint. While I have painted an ESB, the challenge was daunting and will be no easy task for MR to pull off to hardcore Fett fans.
Steve
It doesn't necessarily detract from the realistic paintjob given to the ESB,which I would consider equally difficult for simply different reasons most of which are intricate details and layered paint. While I have painted an ESB, the challenge was daunting and will be no easy task for MR to pull off to hardcore Fett fans.
Steve
:lol
No doubt, the silver on the RotJ is a bit loud, but take a look at the image below. The RotJ has a lot of subtle weathering and color shifts in the "solid" colored areas that most dont realize where the ESB is more solid in color. I truly do believe it would be nearly impopssible to accurately replicate this type of paint style due to the subtle nature of the changes where the ESB's weathering is very hard-lined and clear.
No doubt, the silver on the RotJ is a bit loud, but take a look at the image below. The RotJ has a lot of subtle weathering and color shifts in the "solid" colored areas that most dont realize where the ESB is more solid in color. I truly do believe it would be nearly impopssible to accurately replicate this type of paint style due to the subtle nature of the changes where the ESB's weathering is very hard-lined and clear.
BTW, I am not trying to turn this into an RotJ vs ESB thread... we have already had PLENTY of those at TDH. Both are Fett, both are screen-accurate and both are pretty freakin' awesome. At the ens of the day, it simply comes down to a matter of personal preference but I think either is just as valid a choice as the other.
Tyler Durden
Well-Known Member
As Brak's Buddy said, the extra "ESB" flare is largely a myth:
Lynn TXP 0369
Sr Member
Originally posted by RKW@Feb 19 2006, 04:03 PM
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The right pic if I'm not mistaken.
Lynn
DL 44 Blaster
Sr Member
Wow,that left pic from the banquet hall on Bespin really exagerates the flair. Although I like my ESB buckets with plenty o' flair Preferably photographed "up" on
Steve
Preferably photographed "up" on Steve
