Originally posted by soltic@Feb 18 2006, 04:33 AM-->
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& it's also stated that "the hero lid", is the one everyone has seen (in the movie) & mostly on display which has always been considered the "bell shape" in "most" (including myself) people's minds.
Right. The ESB hero helmet everyone has come to know and love is the one seen in ESB publicity shots, ESB, the SE scenes, ans on tour at AoSW.
Originally posted by soltic@Feb 18 2006, 04:33 AM
& it's this lid that lids like FP's last "Movie Size(d) Helmet" (MSH2)& (Sgt Fang's?) the "Mystery Helmet" (MH) emulated.... (some better than others).....
The MSH2 was designed after the ESB hero seen at AoSW. I am not sure Sgt Fang's was made to emulate any particular helmet. It was simply a recast from a helmet he snagged on eBay. We believe (but have not undeniably proved) that the mystery helmet may have derived from the a casting of the PP2 which Don Post did have at one time. If the Sgt Fang / Marrow Sun / Mystery helmet did come fromt he PP2 as we expect, then it would be closer to an RotJ bucket than the ESB hero we have all come to know and love.
Originally posted by soltic@Feb 18 2006, 04:33 AM
So @ the end of the day - correct me if I'm wrong - this MR lid has no ESB screen attributes as far as flare.... or wavy brow.... but more of what "people may remember" as being a ROTJ Hero lid in shape.... ???....
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This is true.... kinda. Saying the MR helmet "has no screen attibutes in regard to flare and wavy brow" is somewhat misleading. I think it would be more accurate to say that the MR helmet has almost all of the screen used attributes EXCEPT the wavy brow and flare."
The problem is more of a misrepresentation over the years of what the ESB hero helmet is.. This misunderstanding mainly springs from the ESB publicity photos that are taken from a low angle, making the ESB helmet appear to have a great deal of flare. This point was further exagerrated because the Don Post Replica helmet was pinched and to try to regain the "ESB shape" various sculptors began adding flare using a number of techniques. Because all we have heard for years is "flare, flare, flare" it puts a wrong thought in our heads about the differences between the ESB helmet and the others. Take a look at this pic.
Rotj on left, ESB on right. I am not arguing there is no difference but that the difference is dramatically less than people have come to believe.
Getting back to what you stated, I dont' think that MR has commited a crime in casting the PP3 in regard to the flare issue.
In regard to the wavy band above the eyes, well, it simply isn't on the PP3. That is really all that can be said.
I think some of this will come down to marketting. If MR markets their helmet as having come from "THE" ESB HERO HELMET that was seen on screen, I will be disappointed because it simply does not. If they market it as having come from "AN" ESB HERO HELEMT, they are absolutely right. It does. If they market it as looking like the ESB helmet seen on screen, well, for the most part it does. The paint is vitually identical (to the avergae person). As stated above, the PP3 was obviously made as a twin to the ESB hero. For all intents and purposes they could have swapped them back and forth during filming (although we can find no evidence that they did).
I know several have implied that if MR markets this as an ESB Hero helmet their marketting will be deceiptful. I do not believe that to be so, even though their helmet did not come from the ESB Hero so many have come to know and love.